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13 April 2017
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I noticed that you messed up And Your Bird Can Sing in your most recent post, here's how it really goes: (capo at 2nd fret for the rhythm guitar)

Verse:

D (xx0232) Em (022000) G (320033)

Chorus:

F#m (244222) F#mmaj7 (243222) F#m7 (242222) B7 (x21202) Em7 (022030) A (x02220)

I don't know where you're getting the idea of sharpened fifths from in this song what I also don't know is why you didn't mention to put a capo on the 2nd fret, it's pretty obvious he's using one in the studio and the song sounds wrong without it.

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17 April 2017
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Dark Overlord said
I noticed that you messed up And Your Bird Can Sing in your most recent post

Gonna go ahead and stop you right there.

First off, I didn't "mess up" anything. The chord progression I outlined in the bridge absolutely uses the bIII+ chord.

Second, I'm not sure how familiar you are with harmonic analysis, but the m/M7 chord which you've suggested actually contains the exact same key note as the bIII+, namely, the b3. These two chords are nearly identical, with the key difference being root movement. Listen more closely to the bass line and you'll hear that root movement (chromatic descent), which makes the m/M7 analysis incorrect.

Third, read the post again. This is a post on the subject, broadly speaking, of John Lennon 's use of the augmented chord in multiple compositions. "And Your Bird Can Sing " is one specific example of the broader subject, and diving into details of whether one specific guitar on the track did or didn't use a capo would be rather off the topic.

Suggestion: read more carefully, listen more closely, and reflect a little longer before jumping on the Internet to tell someone they "messed up."

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17 April 2017
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Thank you for asserting your position clearly in the previous post.

@PeterWeatherby, I just wanted to let you know that the mods are discussing Dark Overlord's rude behavior on the forum. You shouldn't have to put up with comments like that in the future.

17 April 2017
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Calm down there @Ahhh Girl that was just some advice, not rude behavior at all. Maybe I said the comment wrongly, but I assure you that there were no hard feelings and that I was just telling him that his chords seemed a bit off.

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21 April 2017
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I thought instead of looking for inconsistencies like I usually do, I thought I'd say that I really like your last post. Although I don't personally consider the minor 4th chord The Beatles chord, I do often notice it in Beatles songs, such as Nowhere Man and She Loves You and it adds a nice little touch and really spices up the song when they fit it in just right.

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22 April 2017
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Minor fourth does not exist in music. Only the perfect fourth or fifth. 

Not to derail the thread too much, but Beatles fandom is not a pissing contest. Who knows the most about this and that is irrelevent to the appreciation of the music and the attitude of having to outsmart or prove rank on Beatles knowledge is driving me insane. 

CAN WE NOT AGREE THIS IS THE BEST MUSIC ON EARTH?!?paul-mccartney

Please. Let's not get too caught up bullshit and just appreciate the music. 

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22 April 2017
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Dark Overlord said
I thought instead of looking for inconsistencies like I usually do,   

Besides there are no inconsistencies in anything said or written in that post.

sir walter raleigh said
Minor fourth does not exist in music. Only the perfect fourth or fifth. 
  

That's very true, but only in reference to intervals not degrees. So the 4th degree chord in a C major scale would be F major.

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22 April 2017
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But a minor fourth would just be a third, wouldn't it?

Oh, by the way, this post was made by The Hole Got Fixed!

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22 April 2017
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It would be a major third, or a diminished fourth. You can augment or diminish any interval, but the fourth fifth and octave have no minor or manor quality. 

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22 April 2017
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What Pete and myself are referring to when we say minor fourth are chord progressions like in this example:

E B C#m A E B F#m B

E B C#m A Am E B

The chords would be labeled as:

I V vi IV I V ii V

I V vi IV iv I V

What you were thinking of is individual notes, which in that case, you are right, there is only I bII II bIII III IV bV V bVI VI VII bI, I hope you now know what we were referring to.

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Dark Overlord said
What Pete and myself are referring to when we say minor fourth are chord progressions  

What Pete is referring as a "minor fourth" is not a chord progression at all since that wouldn't make any sense and Pete seems to a be a person who knows what he's talking about.
He is talking about the fourth degree in a scale and, as i said before, the chord of the 4th degree in a major scale is always a Major chord.

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30 April 2017
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Pete's newest page made me realize that the circle of fifths is the circle of fourths in reverse and vice versa.

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20 March 2018
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Hello there i am a guitar player who loves The Beatles and their music. However, i really want to learn how to play their songs, but i cant find lessons that show what they actually played live is there anyway i can learn what they played live? I am not talking about chords that sound like what they played. Im talking about chords they actually used in their live preformances and records. Ive searched on Youtube guitar lessons but im 100 percent sure their not the chords The Beatles actually played. Youtube channels such as mattiboo do Beatles guitar covers and in his channel im 100 percent sure those are the chords The Beatles actually played. You might say "why not read The Beatles Guitar(book) it has the chords and its written by The Beatles." Im well aware of that book but in the introduction it says instead of taking what they played on the records they take the drums bass lead guitar and rhythm guitar and put it all into one so its not what im looking for. Im looking for what john and george actually played. Do you guys have any idea of how i can learn what they actually played?

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@BeatlesGuitarPlayer, the website posted in the first post ('Every Sound There Is') may be of some use so I have moved your post here.

Alternatively, this thread could be of some use and others here may also have suggestions/recommendations.

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23 November 2018
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Didn't want to start a new thread.....this seemed the most appropriate for this 'Beatles' story'.

 

There's a bar named, 'Drifters' in a place called Na Jomtien in Thailand. For me it's the perfect bar. A wooden hut right on the sand with the waves lapping, an American radio station called 'Lake Radio' pumping out non-stop music from the 60's 'till 90's.......Good wood-fired pizza, Mexican, Italian, Aussie stodge and excellent Thai food. The view is spectacular......I sit there a few times a week playing and losing chess on my iPhone, eating, drinking or just staring out to sea at the fishermen re-folding their nets for another night's hunting, or the kite and wind surfers flapping along or coming a cropper while tacking.

On this particular day I have pole position, feet up dangling over the sand and a couple, with even more age on them than me enter and sit nearby. We start chatting. They are English from London and lived very close to my long-time place of work ......They'd even heard of me.

Turns out it should have been the other way round and I should have heard of him. His name is Mick Barker.....Ring a bell?. No, thought not, he's in that group of best guitarists you've never heard of. A busy session musician in England during the 60's and later....Played on lots of stuff I knew. If you've got at home, 'The Complete Rock and Pop Guitar Book'....... he wrote it. He curses now that he was paid for his time only working on this best seller, equivalent to his 'session charges'

 We were chatting away and Abbey Road came up.......In his day it was still called EMI Studios. 'Any Beatle stories?'..........He only had one. 

He was on a session there and.....

'One of the Beatle's people came in. George had forgotten his Wah Wah and he needed one badly for a song they were working on. "Does anyone have one he could borrow?" So I lent him mine....'

I asked what track George needed it for? He didn't know. I asked when, what year? He couldn't remember......I asked what was record he was doing a session for? as that would narrow it down a bit....Nope, couldn't recall that either. 'Did 3 or 4 a day sometimes, he said'

All he remembered is that he never got his Wah Wah back.

 

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