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Multiple mixes of songs
17 May 2014
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PokerMan
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I have a couple of questions regarding multiple versions of Beatles songs.

 

Firstly, I am aware that John Lennon did two different lead vocals for the song Help . The first vocal he did was used for the mono release of the Help album, while the second vocal was used in the original 1965 stereo mix as well as the 1987 remix. However I’m pretty sure I've heard somewhere that there was another mono mix that used the second lead vocal instead of the first lead vocal and was used for the film as well as the US mono version of the Help album. I have also heard somewhere that the UK single version of Help had a different lead vocal than the album version, which leads me to believe that US mono mix was also released as the single version in both the UK and the US. Is this correct? If so, why wasn't the single version included on the Mono Masters compilation in 2009 like the single versions of Love Me Do and Get Back ?

 

Secondly, the following list contains every song that was released on an album in the US before it was available on an album in the UK:

I Want To Hold Your Hand and This Boy (from Meet the Beatles)

Thank You Girl , You Can’t Do That, Long Tall Sally , I Call Your Name , She Loves You and I’ll Get You (The Beatles Second Album)

The entire A Hard Day’s Night US album

Slow Down and Matchbox (Something New)

I Feel Fine and She’s a Woman (Beatles ’65)

You Like Me Too Much , Bad Boy , Yes It Is , Dizzy Miss Lizzy and Tell Me What You See (Beatles VI)

I’m Only Sleeping, Doctor Robert , And Your Bird Can Sing , We Can Work It Out and Day Tripper (Yesterday and Today)

Hello Goodbye , Strawberry Fields Forever , Penny Lane , Baby, You’re a Rich Man and All You Need Is Love (Magical Mystery Tour )

In the UK, singles and EPs (except for Magical Mystery Tour ) were released in mono only and so for many of the songs in the list above, Capitol Records only had access to mono mixes, forcing them to create fake stereo mixes. What I would like to know is which songs were released in true stereo and which songs were released in fake stereo; and for the songs that were released in true stereo, were they the same stereo mixes that appeared on later UK releases including the 1987 and 2009 CD releases.

 

Finally, I am aware that besides having to create fake stereo mixes, a lot of songs were remixed for the American market. Can someone tell me which songs were remixed and whether they were remixed in mono, stereo or both?

17 May 2014
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Will reply to the rest later, if no one else does, but for Help ! the UK mono and stereo mixes do have a different lead vocal from John, i think there is also a tambourine missing from the mono. The only difference in the US was the appearance of a James Bond 007-style intro on the stereo mix, the mono album mix is collapsed stereo (the US single was true mono). The 007 intro was included on the US Red Album up until 1993's cd release.

A true mono mix of the stereo is from a production acetate and has been bootlegged on 'Help ! Original Mix' and a number of others.

All of the Beatles tracks (not the instrumentals) on the US Help ! mono LP are collapsed stereo bar Ticket To Ride .

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17 May 2014
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"All of the Beatles tracks (not the instrumentals) on the US Help! mono LP are collapsed stereo bar Ticket To Ride."

Thanks, I knew that some of the later UK albums were given stereo to mono mix downs but I didn't know that it was done for any of the US albums. In that case, when someone replies to the last 2 questions, they can also tell me if there were any other songs in the US that were given stereo to mono mix downs.

20 May 2014
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I've looked at the Wikipedia pages for all the US albums and have found out most of the information that I was looking for, however I still have a few questions.

1. It says on the Meet the Beatles page that "The nine songs appearing on both With the Beatles and Meet the Beatles! were strictly mono on the British With the Beatles album. But on Meet the Beatles! special stereo remixes were used for those songs, as well as Meet the Beatles! being issued in both stereo and mono." However, I'm pretty sure that statement is complete bullocks since With the Beatles was issued in both mono and stereo. Am I right?

2. For The Beatles Second Album, it says that the stereo versions of the songs have more echo and reverb than the UK stereo versions. However, I'm not sure whether to call them remixes or not.

3. It says that the mono version of You Can't Do That on The Beatles Second Album was different from the UK mono mix. However, I'm not sure whether the US single version of You Can't Do That is the same as US album mix or the UK mix.

4. It says that Yet It Is is in fake stereo on Beatles VI, but I wanted to check if that's the only song on Beatles VI that is in fake stereo.

5. It says that the US and UK versions of The Word are different, but I'm not sure whether that applies just to the stereo mixes or the mono mixes as well.

6. Presumably, Day Tripper and We Can Work It Out would have been in fake stereo on the Yesterday and Today album, however it doesn't say so on the Wikipedia page, so I wanted to check if I'm right and if any other songs were in fake stereo besides I'm Only Sleeping , And Your Bird Can Sing and Doctor Robert .

20 May 2014
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This isn't entirely up to date, but hopefully it will aid you in your quest.

Done as part of a university project, it takes every officially released recording by year and goes through their various mixes along with how and where they were used. The link is to the first page, each page has a [next] link at the bottom of the page to the following year.

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20 May 2014
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Thanks. That should be really helpful.

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