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Mono vs. Stereo
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The 2009 Mono remasters were absolutely the original mono mixes. They're the same mixes as the mono vinyl box set. 

I don't believe so.  I read & heard a lot more detail went into these new 2014 mono LP mixes than anything prior to it. apple01

 I will always use the 2009 stereo CDs as my "go to music" on my iPod/iPhone! I play a certain Beatles iTunes album and actually hold & study my original U.K. LPs, like I used to when I played records. Gives me the same effect of playing the record without the pop, skips & scratches. I won't buy the new mono LP set. a-hard-days-night-ringo-8

 

Matter of fact, I recommend every Beatles fan buy the Original U.K. LPs from the 60's instead of all these newer editions. Other than the White Album & Sgt. Pepper LP, you can still get them at a half decent price, if you take your time and buy 1 at a time, like I did.a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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I personally prefer stereo because it adds more separation between instruments whereas mono is just everything shoved into one speaker, although I also like mono because the way The Beatles intended people to listen to their music was on mono vinyl, with a few exceptions.

I like to think of it like this, what would you rather watch:

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The original 1940 black and white version of the classic Looney Tunes short You Ought To Be In Pictures, the way it was intended to be seen

Or:

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The 1969 colorized version, which although is not the way it was originally intended to see, it does add color

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These are my preferences:

Please Please Me (mono)
With the Beatles (mono)
A Hard Day’s Night (stereo—or mono)
Beatles For Sale (stereo—or mono)
Help ! (65 stereo mix—or 1987)
Rubber Soul (mono)
Revolver (mono—or stereo for Tomorrow Never)
Sgt. Pepper (mono—or stereo for Day in the Life)
Magical Myster Tour (stereo)
Mono Masters
The Beatles (mono—or stereo)
(+ stereo Old Brown Shoe , Let it Be and Ballad of JY)
Abbey Road (stereo)
Let it Be (Spector mix, stereo)

"This Beatles talk bores me to death.” —John Lennon 

24 April 2017
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Neil Young says that the wall of the room and your two ears are the stereo. That os why Buffalo Springfield's first album being release in stereo really annoyed the band. 

Personally, Sgt. Pepper , MMT, The Beatles and Abbey Road are the only albums I prefer in stereo. However many other albums like Quadrophenia and Wish You Were Here must be played in stereo. The style of music plays a huge role, as you can see the more advanced production and songwriting styles often sound best in stereo. 

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I prefer everything I hear to be in stereo, though judging by previous posts, I'm in the minority once again...

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If it makes you feel better, I prefer The Beatles in stereo myself, as it provides separation which mono lacks, so if I want to listen to just the backing track of a song, I just go to the stereo version and isolate either the left, right, or center. Although I will say that I like how the mono canon has the songs from Yellow Submarine as 4 non-album tracks on Mono Masters instead of the split album of the stereo canon which contains a B-side containing the film score and an already used track.

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If the mix is ok , i wouldn't care too much.
Mono trough one speaker, though.

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29 April 2017
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I wish The Beatles focused more on their stereo mixes than their mono mixes, stereo is superior in every way than stereo the only reason some people prefer mono over stereo is because bands like The Beatles tried harder on the mono mixes than their stereo mixes. If The Beatles paid more attention to their stereo mix, no one would think mono is better and they would label it as obsolete like 8 tracks.

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29 April 2017
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What utter garbage, @Dark Overlord!

I realise you have this very anal obsession with the latest technology being the best, but you are just so wrong.

If the only recorded music of any importance is in stereo, then that wipes out the majority of recordings made up until the mid-'60s.

The best Beatles remasters I have heard so far have been the 2014 analogue mono remasters,

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29 April 2017
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You seemed to miss my point @Ron Nasty what I was trying to say is that The Beatles should've mixed their music in stereo so we could have better stereo mixes of their early albums, I said nothing about wiping any songs that were only released in mono, I'm not as stupid as the BBC was with Doctor Who.

When you think about it, stereo is just mono split up into 3 channels, left, right, and center and I personally prefer stereo because it provides separation and allows me to listen to certain parts in isolation, which is especially helpful for researching things, as well as hearing parts that are barely audible. To be honest, if it was available at the time, I think The Beatles should've mixed for surround sound for even more separation.

I do not believe that the latest technology is always the best, quite the contrary actually, I still use Internet Explorer, I prefer the sound of vinyl over CD, I hate that most modern music uses nothing but synths, samples, and drum machines, and I hate just about everything that's new.

Also, this is all a matter of opinion, you might prefer the 2014 analogue mono remasters, whereas John Happy might prefer the original stereo mixes, or Don Snappy might prefer the 2004 mono US mixes, or Jim Clappy might prefer the 1987 CD mixes, does it make any of them wrong for feeling that way, it's all the same song, it's not like I think the stereo version of Ticket To Ride is a good song but the mono version is a bad song, I might prefer one to the other but at the end of the day, it's the same song.

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What you are suggesting is that they should have favoured a format that, for the majority of their career, the majority of their audience could not appreciate. You seem to miss the point that they lived in a mono world which didn't start seriously changing until the latter quarter of the decade. George's infamous response to the arrival of stereo, "Why do we need two speakers?"

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I don't think they should've been stereo only at first, I think they should've offered a stereo to mono fold down for people who only had mono players until most people had stereo players, then they should've released the albums only in mono. The Beatles could've been pioneers in stereo in the same way that Walt Disney was a pioneer in color cartoons or that Black Sabbath was a pioneer to heavy metal but due to their monaural preferences, they took their mono mixes more seriously, therefore failing to be stereo pioneers.

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Dark Overlord said

I do not believe that the latest technology is always the best, quite the contrary actually, I still use Internet Explorer, I prefer the sound of vinyl over CD, I hate that most modern music uses nothing but synths, samples, and drum machines, and I hate just about everything that's new.

Why?

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29 April 2017
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Various reasons. To start, I've used it all my life so I'm the most used to it. Also, it comes pre installed with Windows, so it's what I use. Furthermore, I like to have privacy, I don't trust Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Edge, or any other browser (except maybe Tor, but I've heard that it's slow) besides Internet Explorer with my privacy. With IE, I can set it so I'm always on InPrivate browsing mode and flush my DNS, therefore leaving very little trace of my browsing history, which I hate having. Lastly, my father uses it as his main browser as well, and he has been working with computers for so long that he used to use a BBS with his MS-DOS computer while he was in college back in the early 90's, so he's been using this stuff before it was even popular yet still chooses to stick with IE because he's used to it.

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Furthermore, I like to have privacy, I don't trust Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Edge, or any other browser. 

Umm... Edge is windows 10's equivalent of IE. It's the same program!

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^ That and the fact Internet Explorer had a serious Zero-Day crisis in 2014 and Microsoft essentially told IE users that they are using IE at their own risk until Microsoft made a patch. 

 

Pretty risky browser, it's the same as using Yahoo for your email, why take the risk?

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^ That and the fact Internet Explorer had a serious Zero-Day crisis in 2014 and Microsoft essentially told IE users that they are using IE at their own risk until Microsoft made a patch. 

 

Pretty risky browser, it's the same as using Yahoo for your email, why take the risk?  

I use yahoo mail as I cannot be bothered changing to something else. If they want to steal my password and then swim thru billions of crap in the hope of finding a password from 1999 which doesnt work then they deserve it.

I haven't used IE for about a decade as it was utter shite, I don't think they've even bothered updating it since they decided it was so hated they would give us Edge, which is also shit.

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Am I really the only person on this forum who uses Internet Explorer, I'd be surprised if no one else uses IE (or Edge).

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Is the original 1968 single version of Hey Jude an original mono mix or is it folded down from a stereo mix.

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What you are suggesting is that they should have favoured a format that, for the majority of their career, the majority of their audience could not appreciate. You seem to miss the point that they lived in a mono world which didn't start seriously changing until the latter quarter of the decade. George's infamous response to the arrival of stereo, "Why do we need two speakers?"  

It is surreal to read Dark Overlord's posts.  No matter what topic, he is like a bulldozer.  Get out of his way or you will be pushed aside.  He gives all of his opinions without any context of history (ripping on 8-track player running orders without understanding why the running order had to be timed properly for each program or here in the mono/stereo thread - completely ignorant to how the world was in the 60's in terms of what the masses had at home or what was the norm) and forget correcting him (as he does you) or debating him.  I have yet had the pleasure of discussions with Dark Overlord.

Like Dark Overlord, I too prefer stereo.  But many of the Beatles mono mixes are still superior.  Paperback Writer is a perfect example of where Dark Overlord is wrong.  The mono version is powerful - the guitars are loud, the bass is tight and it rocks.  The stereo version was weak by comparison - all the balls of the mono mix were lost.  This was rectified in my opinion on the 2015 Beatles 1 remix.  You got everything that made the mono mix superior, but in stereo.  That's what the new Sgt Pepper stereo mix will be as well.

If mono is black and white and stereo is color, I can go with that.  Color is usually better.  But some things (Psycho, Twilight Zone episodes, old Film Noir movies, etc) are still better in B&W.

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I wasn't saying that mono sucks, mono can be great, but I think The Beatles should've taken better advantage of stereo, similar to how Walt Disney took advantage of 3 strip Technicolor. Also, I was not alive while The Beatles were around, I was born in 1999. Anyways, I do agree that some things were meant for black and white, such as film noir and classic horror (the lack of color can make it scarier) and there are also fun tricks that you can do with it, such as using chocolate syrup for blood, which is what they did in Night Of The Living Dead, although I do feel that some films like Clerks and Creature From The Black Lagoon could've benefited from color and I also think that having some color and some black and white is a great artistic effect, such as in The Wizard Of Oz.

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