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Ending of While My Guitar Gently Weeps- George or Paul?
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thewordislove94
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2 January 2013 - 2.30pm

If you listen to the song Don't Ever Change on the Live At The BBC album, Paul sounds like George. When you listen to a song where John and Paul sing at the same time, he sounds like John. Paul just has a great way of adapting his voice to the people he sings with. The "yeah" in the video sounds similar to WMGGW. If the yeahs in WMGGW were higher, I would think that Paul was singing. George, on the other hand, couldn't get his voice that high.  

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Ben Ramon
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2 January 2013 - 5.08pm

thewordislove94 said
If you listen to the song Don't Ever Change on the Live At The BBC album, Paul sounds like George. When you listen to a song where John and Paul sing at the same time, he sounds like John. Paul just has a great way of adapting his voice to the people he sings with. The "yeah" in the video sounds similar to WMGGW. If the yeahs in WMGGW were higher, I would think that Paul was singing. George, on the other hand, couldn't get his voice that high.  

They are still fairly high anyway- A4s, which are at the upper limit of George's full voice range (I've only ever found two notes by him any higher than that, and they were quite weak and strained). It is those "yeah"s at the end of WMG being sung so naturally that also points to it being Paul for me- I can't hear George hitting those notes with such ease. Also 1:57 in this song, when Paul sings "come on back, come on back", has a similar sound to the WMG notes. Listen to them back-to-back and there's an incredible similarity there. I've never heard George sing a note that sounds like that in any other song.

I've figured that this discussion should be able to continue in peace if I present what I feel to be some evidence to support my opinion.

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Funny Paper
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2 January 2013 - 7.56pm

To me, the problem with paulsbass is not that he's being extreme about defending Paul; it's simply his apodictic insistence that his opinion is fact.  As someone noted above, if paulsbass had the smoking gun proof -- Paul himself stating in an interview that he sang those "yeahs" -- that would be different.  But paulsbass only has his self-described expertise.  That simply is insufficient to translate his opinion into fact.

 

A person could do this about anything; not only about the Beatles singing.  A person can swear they saw a person in a yellow raincoat flee the scene of an accident; but later it turns out it was brown, not yellow.  Happens all the time, in a thousand different ways.

I remember sitting around with a bunch of guys -- some of us were trying to form a Latin rock band -- and the "leader" put on our inspiration (the third album of Santana).  We were listening to the song "No One To Depend On", and at one point there's the sound of Carlos Santana doing a rapid-fire staccato of a high note on the electric guitar.  Our "leader" stubbornly insisted that the sound was really a roll on the bongos amplified.  He was so insistent, he got angry when the rest of us told him, no, it's a high electric guitar note.  There's a point at which both sides must just say, "Well, I think I'm right and you're wrong, and you think you're right and I'm wrong, so we'll just have to AGREE TO DISAGREE; now let's talk about something else."

Here's a snippet of the Santana song:  Is it an amplified bongo roll, or a high riff on an electric guitar note?  (Or maybe Paul McCartney snuck into the Santana studios that day in 1971 and did a cameo appearance...paul-mccartney):

http://swf.tubechop.com/tubech.....cid=808036

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Ben Ramon
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2 January 2013 - 8.47pm

I'd certainly say it's a guitar note in that Santana song.

Based on the clips I posted above, any more opinions on whether it's George or Paul?

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2 January 2013 - 10.16pm

I cant remember who posted most of what has been posted above and not going to address everything.

My comment about a Paul v Ringo drumming thread was totally tongue in cheek. If folks want to debate it then thats cool and no its not about quantity or anything like that (that brings back memories as well). I totally love Beatle Pauls drumming, Dear Prudence being one of my favourite drum tracks on any Beatle record, as well as post-Beatle Drummer Paul.

As for Paulbass's departure, well its sad as i dont want anyone to feel they are being driven out but personally i think this has been coming for a long time. Im not the first to get into an arguement with him and if he stayed i wouldnt be the last. I'll very happily and readily admit the large majority of his posts were great to read and i mean the guy no harm.

Defend your thoughts and opinions, debate your stance, post away, but be open to what others say and please dont talk down to people.

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Long John Silver
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2 January 2013 - 11.06pm

It's obviously Ringo.

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Dark_Horse
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3 January 2013 - 1.18am

Long John Silver said
It's obviously Ringo.

 

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Funny Paper
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3 January 2013 - 1.35am

Ben Ramon said
I'd certainly say it's a guitar note in that Santana song.

Based on the clips I posted above, any more opinions on whether it's George or Paul?

Ben, I don't see sufficient resemblance between the "Fine Line" bits of "come on back" and the "yeahs" on WMGGW.  I dislike repeating myself, but I'll say again the "yeahs" have a physically weak quality quite in keeping with George's general singing style (which is part of his "signature" that makes him singular).  Now, Paul could be doing those, because of his amazing ability to do different styles.  But George could too.  And since it's George's song, and he's doing other vaguely similar "weepy" stuff in the song, it seems a reach to conclude it must be Paul.

I'm not as scientific about this as you are in terms of knowing exactly that George never actually sang that high; but even if one could document that as a fact, it doesn't mean he didn't go up another half step or whole step notch (or more) that day.

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thewordislove94
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3 January 2013 - 8.38pm

If George was able to sing The Inner Light, then I don't see why he wouldn't be able to sing the yeahs in WMGGW.

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Ben Ramon
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3 January 2013 - 8.43pm

What's so special or difficult about the singing in The Inner Light? It never once approaches A4.

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thewordislove94
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3 January 2013 - 8.48pm

 The Inner Light is above his usual vocal range. He needed some encouragement from John and Paul to sing it.

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Ben Ramon
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3 January 2013 - 8.53pm

Really? That surprises me, it's not very high at all, and he seems to sing it with relative ease. The WMGGW "yeahs" are a lot higher.

 

 

 

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thewordislove94
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3 January 2013 - 8.56pm

That's what it says on this website, and several others as well. I was also surprised when I found out, but it's true.

"The world is a very serious and, at times, very sad place - but at other times it is all such a joke."-George Harrison

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Gerard
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14 January 2013 - 9.51am

I did not know what you guys were talking about, I didn't even realise there were "yeah yeahs" at the end of the track. Then I realised it was on the stereo version of the White Album, which obviously I don't listen to. If this was stated earlier I would have given my two cents earlier as well.

I'd go with thinking that it was Paul's vocals, but then again my opinion doesn't matter as I don't know much.

linkjws
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14 January 2013 - 4.50pm

I'd say its George at the end.  Definitely sounds like he is straining his voice though to hit those yeah yeah yeah bits though (as funny paper said). Also if it were Paul I think it would be far more over the top.

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Funny Paper
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15 January 2013 - 1.44am

"If you tell me this excact same word on the excact same note sounds excactly like the one at the end in WMGGW you're crazy."

So the argument is that George cannot possibly sing a word ("yeah") in two different songs -- differently...?  Strange argument.  I mean, I realize George's vocal talent is more limited than Paul's, but surely it's not that rigidly stunted and boxed in.

 

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linkjws
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15 January 2013 - 2.04am

paulsbass said

linkjws said
I'd say its George at the end.  Definitely sounds like he is straining his voice though to hit those yeah yeah yeah bits though (as funny paper said). Also if it were Paul I think it would be far more over the top.

Wow, seeing that "not so cute" joker over in the other thread AND "INNER LIGHT" ACTUALLY AGREEING with him reminded me why I left...

Still can't believe how so many people believe it's George.

I've listenend to almost every official McCartney song ever and would recognize this certain roughness in his voice anytime anywhere. Remember, he was the one doing Little Richard songs, NOT George!

And what the HELL has "Inner light" - which is a beautiful song - to do with the vocals in WMGGW?! Why do people come up with stuff like that and claim to prove anything with it? See, there it's me again being arrogant and condescending, but seriously, come on, COME ON!

George was able to hit that high note totally easily.

He even did it in "Old Brown Shoe".

And - here it comes - he even sings "yeah" on that note.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....-38h6fuwDw

Check out 2.45.

So again: He sings the excact same word over the excact same note (very easily).

If you tell me this excact same word on the excact same note sounds excactly like the one at the end in WMGGW you're crazy.

And I'll keep my promise and stay away from the trouble elsewhere. Ben is doing a fine job, while I think he's way too polite...

 

Good call staying out of that Paul thread.... I tried to be sensible and well now I am still trying to be sensible after his reply....

And I don't doubt in anyway your knowledge of Paul, but after listening to the isolated vocal track I really think its George.  I'd go as far as making a youtube video for you to hear it if you do not have the isolated tracks.  

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Little Piggy Dragonguy
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15 January 2013 - 5.51am

The yeahs at the end of WMGGW have only ever sounded like Paul to me. 

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Funny Paper
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15 January 2013 - 5.58am

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The yeahs at the end of WMGGW have only ever sounded like Paul to me. 

Well, since there are Beatles fans here who actually thought the "out of college" part of "You Never Give Me Your Money" was Ringo (Holy Toledo!!!), it seems relying on what "sounds like" is not sufficiently persuasive and has the potential of being wildly off the mark. 

So, until someone can get through Paul's phalanx of ex-IRA bodyguards in order to ask him point-blank (before getting gunned down), we'll have to agree to disagree on a matter of subjective opinion.

 

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Egroeg Evoli
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19 January 2013 - 12.10am

Funny Paper said
Well, since there are Beatles fans here who actually thought the "out of college" part of "You Never Give Me Your Money" was Ringo (Holy Toledo!!!)

In my defense, I only thought that it was Ringo before I really started listening to and liking the Beatles. I would never make a mistake like that now.

 

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