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Machine Learning, MAL software, ChatGPT, and Artificial Intelligence related to Beatles songs
27 February 2023
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Very much out of left field – given that it appear to be already being used in recording studios, do you think ChatGPT has any implications at all for Beatles music? For instance could it assist Peter Jackson to recover or improve the sound quality on sub-par live recordings, analyse and improve grainy film stock? Sift for new, previously un-spotted factual links by analysing books and periodicals? Any thoughts on how wide this could go?   

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Topic doesn’t seem to be getting much interest, so I’ve found an actual clip of John singing Let It Be , upgraded by AI technology. The first bit shows the raw material, from 3:31 the actual upgrade. I think this has potential importance for improving e.g. The Star Club Tapes LOST TREASURE: John Lennon Sings ‘Let It Be’ – YouTube

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That’s a very interesting clip, Old Soak. Thank you for posting. john-lennon-salute_gif

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Any thoughts on how wide this could go? 

I think the whole subject of AI could go very wide indeed. We are still in the fairly early stages.

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This, as a question, is less about ChatGPT than it is about AI. ChatGPT is a brand like any other, no different to Betamax or VHS, Microsoft or Apple, or cassette or 8-track cartridge, it’s the underlying technology that matters, be that videotape, computers, or audio tapes, or — in this case — programs based on machine learning which we refer to as AI. ChatGPT is just one of many AI programs, including OPT, PaLM, Sphere, BLOOM, Galactica, and Google’s recently launched Bard.

The question really is if AI could be used to improve Beatles recordings, and the answer is a definite yes, because it has been done. Peter Jackson developed his own AI for Get Back  because he was working with mainly mono Nagra tapes and needed to separate the different elements. His AI was also used to demix the Revolver  tapes for the Deluxe Edition, and it was strongly suggested that Rubber Soul  was demixed at the same time, while Jackson has also said he’d quite like to do something with the Star Club tapes. His fingers might also be itching at hearing about the recently discovered 1963 Stowe School show.

While commercially available AI might be used by fans to improve unreleased recordings, official releases will always rely on the cutting edge industry audio tools, be it Jackson’s or someone else’s in the future.

The questions about AI are much wider than how it can be used to improve music recordings though, and they are questions we will soon need to address.

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@Ron Nasty 

If I find YouTubes that say “Deluxe Edition” for Revolver , is that the same one you mentioned? Example —

list=PLi_eUMd6th2KWtLisXY7eVdtVyci_r0yr

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16 April 2023
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Yep, “Super Deluxe” is the same as “Deluxe Edition”, @Sea Belt. It was released as a single CD, double CD (Deluxe Edition), and big box set (Super Deluxe).

Giles had always said that doing anything pre-Pepper would be difficult because all you had was four tracks, and if you’ve got a backing track consisting of guitar, bass and drums all on one track, there was little he could do with that because it was effectively pre-mixed and locked, and all he could do was move the three instruments slightly in the mix, but all together, which he thought pointless.

Jackson’s audio AI made it possible to split the instruments, even down to individual drums like the snare and bass drum, which gave him the ability to position them individually in the mix rather than as one big mass.

He demonstrates the separated tracks for Taxman  here…

…and he also demonstrates Here, There And Everywhere , showing they were even able to separate the backing vocals and finger clicks which were on one track and probably recorded together…

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Giles is also uncovering stuff that the Beatles seem to have submerged in a mix. That portion of “oohs” with finger-snaps sounds like a Motown soul song, but to me that’s virtually lost in the official recording.

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17 April 2023
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This post is about ChatGPT. Here’s my prompt input and ChatGPT’s response…it got a fact wrong on #4.

Me: Lesser-known Beatles places to see in London
 
ChatGPT: If you’re a Beatles fan, there are a number of lesser-known places to visit in London that are associated with the band. Here are a few suggestions:

1. 34 Montagu Square: This apartment was the home of John Lennon and Yoko Ono in the late 1960s. It was where they recorded the “Two Virgins ” album, which featured a controversial nude photo of the couple on the cover. The apartment is privately owned, but you can see the outside and take a photo.

2. Marylebone Station: This train station is where the Beatles filmed the opening scene of their movie “A Hard Day’s Night ” in 1964. You can still see the station’s distinctive arched roof and take a photo on the platform.

3. The Indica Gallery: This art gallery in Mayfair was co-owned by John Dunbar, a friend of Paul McCartney ‘s. It was where John and Yoko first met in 1966 and held their “You Are Here” exhibition in 1968. The gallery is no longer there, but the building still stands and is now a luxury hotel.

4. The London Palladium: This iconic theatre in the West End was the site of the Beatles’ famous “Royal Variety Performance” in 1963. It was attended by Queen Elizabeth II* and broadcast on television to millions of viewers.

5. Abbey Road Studios: While not exactly a lesser-known location, Abbey Road Studios is a must-visit for any Beatles fan. You can take a photo on the famous zebra crossing outside the studio and visit the studio’s gift shop.

*#4. Queen Elizabeth II was not there!!!!!

 
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Two Virgins  was recorded at Kenwood, while Cynthia was away in Greece, followed by them making love for the first time as the sun came up.

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@Sea Belt said
Giles is also uncovering stuff that the Beatles seem to have submerged in a mix. That portion of “oohs” with finger-snaps sounds like a Motown soul song, but to me that’s virtually lost in the official recording.

I don’t think it’s so much they submerged them in the mix, but rather that the technology they were working with did. To have the finger-snaps easily audible they would have had to have cranked up the volume of the “oohs”, unbalancing the mix.

Thanks to Jackson’s tech, Giles had the finger-snaps separated from the “oohs”, and so was able to lift their volume in the mix without lifting the volume of the “oohs”.

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Ron Nasty said

@Sea Belt said

Giles is also uncovering stuff that the Beatles seem to have submerged in a mix. That portion of “oohs” with finger-snaps sounds like a Motown soul song, but to me that’s virtually lost in the official recording.

I don’t think it’s so much they submerged them in the mix, but rather that the technology they were working with did. To have the finger-snaps easily audible they would have had to have cranked up the volume of the “oohs”, unbalancing the mix.

Thanks to Jackson’s tech, Giles had the finger-snaps separated from the “oohs”, and so was able to lift their volume in the mix without lifting the volume of the “oohs”.

  

Couldn’t they have recorded finger-snaps independently and tracked over? Or was that not possible at that time?

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The trouble was the limitation of four tracks, @Sea Belt. They’d already filled three of the four, and had they recorded the finger-snaps separately, they would have needed to bounce them down onto one of the three full tracks to free up the fourth track for the backing vocals, or vice-versa, which still would have compromised how audible you could make them to keep the mix in balance.

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It appears it has already happened: Grow Old With Me

https://youtu.be/sqtgWShoAv4 

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“The Beatles” – New

https://youtu.be/Q83fHq8I_4Y

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Thank you for posting these tracks, @Old Soak. paul-mccartney-thumb_gif

I think it’s particularly exciting considering that we are still in the fairly early stages of AI.

The comments on YouTube are generally extremely positive, including:

Man, we’ve entered a whole new era of music

I never thought we would get a proper ending to the Beatles’ story, instead we now have whole new chapter. Please make more of these and don’t stop, music has been changed forever yet again.

This is so emotional for all Beatles fans. Thanks for your work, I hope to listen much more from you.

This is a masterpiece – truly stunning!!

I always thought that this was John’s most beautiful piece of music. But when Paul’s vocals come in, the tears just started rolling down my face

When Paul jumped in there, my heart soared.

I’m so excited by the possibilities here, and I hope Paul and Ringo and Yoko and Olivia give their approval.

Someone should animate this. It would be cool to see AI versions of the 4 lads performing “New” together. This kind of work brings The Beatles back to life.

This is incredible. I never thought I would live to see anything that even comes anywhere near the music The Beatles made. I really am speechless.

At first listen I was brought to tears……because of my love for the Beatles and John especially, a flood of memories came back to me.

This is like we just got a new song by them – it’s perfect..

A lot of us were expecting this, it sounds great. I imagined about 5 years back that we would one day recreate a Beatles concert using AI, I think that day is approaching.

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I find nothing at all exciting about it.

Voice manipulation is one of the most disturbing aspects of AI, and how it can be used to distort what somebody has said or sung. Along with deepfakes, it is truly disturbing to think how it may be used to mislead, especially in the area of politics.

I foresee a time in the not too distant future when there will start to be a demand from public figures to introduce voice rights, much as they already have image rights. It could be done easily enough by using voiceprints, as they become increasingly accurate, up to 96% now, and AI systems could be programmed not to replicate those voiceprints.

So far as I’m concerned, John, Paul, George, and Ringo’s voices belong to them, and shouldn’t be used to put songs or words into their voices that they haven’t agreed to.

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I’m with RN on this one.

Here’s a story about the videos. https://people.com/music/fans-…..es-tracks/

Has anyone else watched the BBC series called The Capture? (2019, 2 seasons).

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While there can be disturbing aspects, that applies to the internet generally – and indeed many other forms of technology. Appropriate regulations, rights and approval are certainly important.

As one person commented: “I’m so excited by the possibilities here, and I hope Paul and Ringo and Yoko and Olivia give their approval.” I wouldn’t expect approval for unofficial videos of course, but I can easily envisage Paul and Ringo being very interested by the potential for official use. We will see.

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I appreciate we are in brand new, morally dubious waters here. However the first listen of Grow Old With Me I was astonished by the clarity of what I think is the Ultimate Version piano and vocal polished up. But when ‘Paul’s’ voice came in I lost it completely. I know Ron Nasty has issues with what he calls ‘Frankenstein’ versions, but the possibilities of only combining original elements or polishing up rough recordings is exciting. For instance mixing the Ringo version of the same song with the original elements of this. And didn’t ‘The Threetles’ at least have a run through at this in 1996?  

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