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Bass: Paul v. George
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GniknuS
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14 July 2010 - 2.23am

skye said:

Ok, Hitler and religion is too much for one thread.

Please get back to the technical merits of Paul or George's bass lines.


Well this isn't connected to Paul or George's bass lines or Hitler or anything, but congrats on 1,000 posts!a-hard-days-night-ringo-10

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14 July 2010 - 2.44am

Thanks. a-hard-days-night-george-8 On to 2,000.

 

Let's see, something on topic...

It's not a fair comparison because the number of songs George played bass are fewer in number than Paul's. It's not the most original thought, but I couldn't find the infographic I was looking for.

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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14 July 2010 - 2.47am

skye said:

Thanks. a-hard-days-night-george-8 On to 2,000.

 

Let's see, something on topic...

It's not a fair comparison because the number of songs George played bass are fewer in number than Paul's. It's not the most original thought, but I couldn't find the infographic I was looking for.


It's funny because that's when the argument should have ended. Instead, it's turned into this thread.a-hard-days-night-ringo-14

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GniknuS
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14 July 2010 - 2.57am

Speaking of bass lines, I just listened to Lady Madonna for the first time in a while, and that bass line is awesome.

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skye
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14 July 2010 - 3.22am

Shame on me, I didn't have that in my playlist. To be honest, unless someone points it, I don't 'hear' the individual parts. But now that I've listened for it, I have to agree.

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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14 July 2010 - 7.36pm

skye said:

Shame on me, I didn't have that in my playlist. To be honest, unless someone points it, I don't 'hear' the individual parts. But now that I've listened for it, I have to agree.


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14 July 2010 - 8.48pm

paulsbass said:

skye said:

Shame on me, I didn't have that in my playlist. To be honest, unless someone points it, I don't 'hear' the individual parts. But now that I've listened for it, I have to agree.


 

Funny, I ALWAYS go for the bass first. And with Lady Madonna it's not just the line itself, it's the SOUND of it! How fat is that bass?!

Listen to "Paperback writer", which was Paul's birth as a lead bass player.


 

Again, living up to your name! Ok, will do.

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You're just like my dad. Ay, ay, ay.
 

Neglecting my playlist or listening to the whole song? The playlist gets forgotten because I updated to 7 and had to recreate parts of my collection - you don't know it's missing until it's missed! - and my ipod is too small to hold it all. So LM was on my ipod but not my lap top.

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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14 July 2010 - 8.53pm

paulsbass said:

GniknuS said:


Oh boy, apparently someone doesn't understand sarcasm. Let's just stop this now before it goes any further.

 


 

I love your parody of his quotations!! Appearently he didn't understand that either...


A sarcastic response to a sarcastic statement isn't understandable to you either...

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14 July 2010 - 9.39pm

Huh. This thread reminds me of a scene in American Beauty where Annette Benning is saying .. darn I forgot his name. Ah yes Kevin Spacey to be careful with her sofa while he's seducing her. And he just continues and she says "Be careful" until he gets truly angry and says hitting the sofa with a cushion : "It's just a f******ing sofa"

 

I'm this close to say "It's just f******ing music!!" But then I think that the words "f***ing music" with the word "Beatles" don't match unless you throw an awesome in the middle.

 

Edit : Ok I forgot some " " in the last line LOL!

Here comes the sun….. Scoobie-doobie……

Something in the way she moves…..attracts me like a cauliflower…

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14 July 2010 - 10.30pm

skye said:

MeanMrs.Mustard said:


You're just like my dad. Ay, ay, ay.
 

Neglecting my playlist or listening to the whole song? The playlist gets forgotten because I updated to 7 and had to recreate parts of my collection - you don't know it's missing until it's missed! - and my ipod is too small to hold it all. So LM was on my ipod but not my lap top.
 

Not hearing parts. Honestly. The other day, we were listening to my mom's iPod in the car. "What Goes On" came up. He couldn't even tell that I was singing Ringo's part! (OK, so you're not THAT much like him.)

Mom: Try singing Ringo's part, dear. It fits your range.

Dad: (Sings Paul's part)

Mom: It's the part that your daughter is singing. (Referring to me, not my sister, who is fast asleep)

Me: (Singing extra-loudly) I USED TO THINK OF NO-ONE ELSE, BUT YOU WERE JUST THE SAME. 

Dad: (Now singing Ringo's part) You something, something, something, something, something, something, name. 

Mom: (sighs, starts singing) Ooooh, ooooh, ooooh.

Me: What goes ooooooooon in your heart? (Guitar solo starts)

Dad: What goes ooooooooon in your-- oh. 

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He eventually figured it out. 

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

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15 July 2010 - 12.16am

Haha, I'm not like that.

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30 August 2010 - 12.11pm

Hmm, I remember George's son Dhani saying in an interview that his father didn't like playing the bass. That he found it boring!?

I do not remember where I saw it, but I have a vivid memory of hearing this.

Personally I adore George Harrrison's guitar playing, and I absolutely love his voice, (not to mention his great looks and fun and loving personality) but to me there is no doubt that Macca is the better bass player. Macca is ... unbelievably good! He is almost freakishly talented.

And to say that Ringo singing would have made the band more interesting, well, what can I say?

I have never heard anything like that. It is ... interesting? a-hard-days-night-george-8

Ringo is a hell of a drummer, but his vocal range and expression is limited, while all the other Beatles had amazing voices, all of them unique in their own right. 

This is at least my humble opinon. 🙂 a-hard-days-night-paul-5

 

//SS

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30 August 2010 - 1.23pm

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30 August 2010 - 4.21pm

Yeah, hi.  I can't imagine what you must think, using THIS thread to make your posting debut - that must be like being introduced to the Beatles by "What's The New Mary Jane" or something!

I remember George saying 'Blimey, he's always talking about “Yesterday”, you'd think he was Beethoven or somebody' - Paul McCartney

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31 August 2010 - 5.05pm

Thank you for a very nice welcoming! a-hard-days-night-george-9

Yes, I was kinda shocked when I saw the matter of discussion, 😉 but I find this discussion, and everything else about the Beatles' music and their musicianship interesting. So I guess it's best to just jump right into the heat. 🙂

By the way, I read an interview with GH in creemmagazine.com where he describes his bass playing on Old Brown Shoe with these words: "It's like a lunatic playing."

Lunatic playing or not, he played the bass sometimes, he did it well, but it was not the instrument that he favored. And I think that the love he felt for the guitar is audible in his playing. His bass playing is skillful but without heart, his guitar playing is subtle, economical, strikingly beautiful, simple sounding yet strangely hard to copy, and of course, he set the trends for guitar heroes all over the world from the early 60'ies and onward.

Still, this is nothing but my humble opinion on the subject.

//SS

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I'm saying Paul. Come Together is a prime example of just brilliance a-hard-days-night-john-6

But George had his moments, and John. They all had different styles, so it's really impossible to say who's better.

Bonsaiii "I saw Paul McCartney and I jizzed in my pants"

 

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1 September 2010 - 7.41pm

I realize that we all have our opinions, but for the life of me I can't understand why there could even be any comparison between Paul's absolute mastery over the bass and George's competent ability to play it. No slight against George, but to me there's really no question - Paul's bass playing is so stellar he is practically in a class all by himself.

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2 September 2010 - 12.02am

Paulsbass, it's not your fault that we have some king mixers on this site.

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

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2 September 2010 - 11.54am

paulsbass said:

Paulie. said:

I'm saying Paul. Come Together is a prime example of just brilliance a-hard-days-night-john-6

But George had his moments, and John. They all had different styles, so it's really impossible to say who's better.

 


Hi Paulie!
 

No, it's really not impossible or even hard to say that Paul without doubt was the best bass player in The Beatles.

As SexySadie very competently explained to George himself his moments of bass playing were nothing special, just pure need of someone doing it while Paul played piano or whatever. When he did a bass riff, he played it like a guitar riff on thicker strings, like on "Old Brown Shoe". When he didn't do that he mostly stuck to doing the ground notes, as in "She said, she said". I tried before to explain the DIFFERENCE between a "terrific" bassline and the bassline on that song. Another good example for his unspectacular, simple bass playing is "Faster", suggested by the OP, while for different reasons, but still useful and very telling.

John was willing and able to fool around on practically anything, so he did some cool stuff on "Helter Skelter". But he also had his moment on "Long and winding road" where he's not that brilliant.

None of the two even remotely had Paul's feeling and understanding of the harmonic, melodic and rhythmic possibilities and functions of the instrument!

To understand that, listen to "Nowhere Man", as I said before. I can tell you excactly how the bass line would sound if played by George: Just the ground notes, nothing more. If you were here I could play it to you. And then listen to Paul's stuff...

And then check out ANY bass line on the Sgt. Peppers album and tell me George or John were able to consistently pull off stuff like that on "Getting better", "Fixing A Hole", "With a little help", "Good morning", "A Day In The Life", "Lucy in the sky", "Lovely Rita", "Mr. Kite"...

 

Sorry folks, I don't think it's all my fault that this discussion that shouldn't be happening at all turned into a 6 page monster thread...

But I'm glad more and more reasonable postings appear...

 

Hear, hear!

Well put Paulsbass, if you know something about music and bass playing it is possible to say that Macca was the better playing.

It is not difficult to hear, his complex and beautiful bass lines are all over youtube and people struggle to do them and learn them. He is studied like a master. Macca is also listed on numerous sites as being one of the top players in the world, he basically invented a complex and melodic style that bass players have copied for decades now.

GH on the other hand, his best moments of music are with the guitar or the sitar in hand. He was just as important as Macca in building their music. Thousands of musicians copied his things, the use of the 12-string, his clever use of previously non-existing chords, his obvious growing from a competent skiffle musician to a multi-instrumentalist, capable of stunning riffs and beautiful arrangements.

You gotta love them both! 🙂 Or, of course, all four of them!

//SS


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2 September 2010 - 12.30pm

paulsbass said:

Paulie. said:

I'm saying Paul. Come Together is a prime example of just brilliance a-hard-days-night-john-6

But George had his moments, and John. They all had different styles, so it's really impossible to say who's better.



 


Hi Paulie!
 

No, it's really not impossible or even hard to say that Paul without doubt was the best bass player in The Beatles.

As SexySadie very competently explained to George himself his moments of bass playing were nothing special, just pure need of someone doing it while Paul played piano or whatever. When he did a bass riff, he played it like a guitar riff on thicker strings, like on "Old Brown Shoe". When he didn't do that he mostly stuck to doing the ground notes, as in "She said, she said". I tried before to explain the DIFFERENCE between a "terrific" bassline and the bassline on that song. Another good example for his unspectacular, simple bass playing is "Faster", suggested by the OP, while for different reasons, but still useful and very telling.

John was willing and able to fool around on practically anything, so he did some cool stuff on "Helter Skelter". But he also had his moment on "Long and winding road" where he's not that brilliant.

None of the two even remotely had Paul's feeling and understanding of the harmonic, melodic and rhythmic possibilities and functions of the instrument!

To understand that, listen to "Nowhere Man", as I said before. I can tell you excactly how the bass line would sound if played by George: Just the ground notes, nothing more. If you were here I could play it to you. And then listen to Paul's stuff...

And then check out ANY bass line on the Sgt. Peppers album and tell me George or John were able to consistently pull off stuff like that on "Getting better", "Fixing A Hole", "With a little help", "Good morning", "A Day In The Life", "Lucy in the sky", "Lovely Rita", "Mr. Kite"...

 

Sorry folks, I don't think it's all my fault that this discussion that shouldn't be happening at all turned into a 6 page monster thread...

But I'm glad more and more reasonable postings appear...


What you just basically said is that your opinion is right. Hell, I'm not even that self-righteous.

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