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Why didn't Paul ever marry Jane?
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Dark Overlord said
Very simple actually, Paul engaged to Jane on Christmas 1967 and were going to get married but Jane caught Paul in bed with Francie Schwatrz in 1968 which broke up their relationship.  

Exactly. He was a cheater.

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16 January 2018
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Was their relationship played for the media, though? I personally never believed this (all we have to do is look at the songs Paul wrote about her) but there are quite a few people who do. I just think 5 years is a long time to be with someone just because it helps your image or career. Jane seems far too sensible to do that, especially since being known as a "Beatle girl" I'm sure did not help boost her image as Jane Asher, the actress. 

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I forget where I read it, but someone very credible who was close to the Beatles inner circle had said that the spark was out of their relationship long before the engagement in December 1967. Inertia plays a big part in why many relationships last well past their sell-by date, and especially if you can still mostly get along with the other person, it can go on quite a bit longer past when either party really wants/needs it to. Pretty sure Paul and Jane had reached that point by the end of 1966. Throw in Paul's womanizing and Jane's refusal to do drugs with him and the Francie Schwarz dalliance can almost be seen as Paul doing something on purpose just to make the final break. Remember, it wasn't more than a month or two after when he finally got the guts to call Linda, kicked Francie out, and started a relationship with the true love of his life.

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I forget where I read it, but someone very credible who was close to the Beatles inner circle had said that the spark was out of their relationship long before the engagement in December 1967. Inertia plays a big part in why many relationships last well past their sell-by date, and especially if you can still mostly get along with the other person, it can go on quite a bit longer past when either party really wants/needs it to. Pretty sure Paul and Jane had reached that point by the end of 1966. Throw in Paul's womanizing and Jane's refusal to do drugs with him and the Francie Schwarz dalliance can almost be seen as Paul doing something on purpose just to make the final break. Remember, it wasn't more than a month or two after when he finally got the guts to call Linda, kicked Francie out, and started a relationship with the true love of his life.  

You're right! Especially @ bold, I read somewhere... can't remember where, that Paul used his relationship with Francie to break it off with Jane. I love Paul, my favorite Beatle and musician (if the profile pic didn't say that already), but I never understood why he couldn't just break it off without getting another girl involved. 

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Though Francie says that that's far too simplistic a narrative in this interview; pointing out that it didn't happen exactly as portrayed (Jane didn't burst in on them, she knocked on the bedroom door), and that it happened after Jane had publicly announced the engagement was off.

I would post the exact quote but there is a request on the site not to reproduce any of it elsewhere, so afraid for her exact words you'll need to read the interview.

That said, her main argument, paraphrasing, is that the media often looks for simple explanations to complicated situations. She says that Paul and Jane were about to break up when she first met him, and that they (P&J) went up to Scotland to try and work things out. They couldn't, and on arrival back in London, Jane announced the break-up, and things between her and Paul moved to the next stage.

If her timeline is correct, and she is the only primary source to give a detailed account of those events, it throws a different light on how things unfolded.

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Ron Nasty said
Though Francie says that that's far too simplistic a narrative in this interview; pointing out that it didn't happen exactly as portrayed (Jane didn't burst in on them, she knocked on the bedroom door), and that it happened after Jane had publicly announced the engagement was off.

I would post the exact quote but there is a request on the site not to reproduce any of it elsewhere, so afraid for her exact words you'll need to read the interview.

That said, her main argument, paraphrasing, is that the media often looks for simple explanations to complicated situations. She says that Paul and Jane were about to break up when she first met him, and that they (P&J) went up to Scotland to try and work things out. They couldn't, and on arrival back in London, Jane announced the break-up, and things between her and Paul moved to the next stage.

If her timeline is correct, and she is the only primary source to give a detailed account of those events, it throws a different light on how things unfolded.  

Thanks for that, @Ron Nasty! Never read that interview by Francie before, definitely provides a whole new perspective to the Paul/Jane/Francie drama. Good to know that Paul at least tried to work things out with Jane, and he didn't use Francie to end the relationship. 

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Ron Nasty said
With the usual groupies I would agree, @georgiewood. However, Paul also had affairs with actresses like Jill Haworth and Peggy Lipton (the future Mrs Quincy Jones). They were not groupies, but rather young women who thought their flings might lead somewhere.

However big The Beatles were, there were always those prepared to turn them down. Ronnie Spector's turning down of John is a prime example. Being able to admit you were attached, but not necessarily too attached, was am advantage in certain situations.  

@Ron Nasty: I didn't know that about Paul and Quincy Jones's wife. 

 

This article came out in the British press this week,Quincy telling us that he still has a lot of lovers (22!) around the world:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....iends.html

 

Quincy's daughter Kidada,who is pictured with her dad and sister in the article,dated the late rapper Tupac Shakur,who was yet another guy who couldn't keep his dick in his pants lol. 'Pac famously had flings with Madonna and Janet Jackson back in the day (Jackson appeared in a film alongside Tupac called Poetic Justice, and they apparently became close both on and off screen). 

Maybe Quincy's cheating ways rubbed off on those around him! a-hard-days-night-george-10

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