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Why didn't Paul ever marry Jane?
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Dark Overlord said
Very simple actually, Paul engaged to Jane on Christmas 1967 and were going to get married but Jane caught Paul in bed with Francie Schwatrz in 1968 which broke up their relationship.  

Exactly. He was a cheater.

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Was their relationship played for the media, though? I personally never believed this (all we have to do is look at the songs Paul wrote about her) but there are quite a few people who do. I just think 5 years is a long time to be with someone just because it helps your image or career. Jane seems far too sensible to do that, especially since being known as a "Beatle girl" I'm sure did not help boost her image as Jane Asher, the actress. 

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I forget where I read it, but someone very credible who was close to the Beatles inner circle had said that the spark was out of their relationship long before the engagement in December 1967. Inertia plays a big part in why many relationships last well past their sell-by date, and especially if you can still mostly get along with the other person, it can go on quite a bit longer past when either party really wants/needs it to. Pretty sure Paul and Jane had reached that point by the end of 1966. Throw in Paul's womanizing and Jane's refusal to do drugs with him and the Francie Schwarz dalliance can almost be seen as Paul doing something on purpose just to make the final break. Remember, it wasn't more than a month or two after when he finally got the guts to call Linda, kicked Francie out, and started a relationship with the true love of his life.

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I forget where I read it, but someone very credible who was close to the Beatles inner circle had said that the spark was out of their relationship long before the engagement in December 1967. Inertia plays a big part in why many relationships last well past their sell-by date, and especially if you can still mostly get along with the other person, it can go on quite a bit longer past when either party really wants/needs it to. Pretty sure Paul and Jane had reached that point by the end of 1966. Throw in Paul's womanizing and Jane's refusal to do drugs with him and the Francie Schwarz dalliance can almost be seen as Paul doing something on purpose just to make the final break. Remember, it wasn't more than a month or two after when he finally got the guts to call Linda, kicked Francie out, and started a relationship with the true love of his life.  

You're right! Especially @ bold, I read somewhere... can't remember where, that Paul used his relationship with Francie to break it off with Jane. I love Paul, my favorite Beatle and musician (if the profile pic didn't say that already), but I never understood why he couldn't just break it off without getting another girl involved. 

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Though Francie says that that's far too simplistic a narrative in this interview; pointing out that it didn't happen exactly as portrayed (Jane didn't burst in on them, she knocked on the bedroom door), and that it happened after Jane had publicly announced the engagement was off.

I would post the exact quote but there is a request on the site not to reproduce any of it elsewhere, so afraid for her exact words you'll need to read the interview.

That said, her main argument, paraphrasing, is that the media often looks for simple explanations to complicated situations. She says that Paul and Jane were about to break up when she first met him, and that they (P&J) went up to Scotland to try and work things out. They couldn't, and on arrival back in London, Jane announced the break-up, and things between her and Paul moved to the next stage.

If her timeline is correct, and she is the only primary source to give a detailed account of those events, it throws a different light on how things unfolded.

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Though Francie says that that's far too simplistic a narrative in this interview; pointing out that it didn't happen exactly as portrayed (Jane didn't burst in on them, she knocked on the bedroom door), and that it happened after Jane had publicly announced the engagement was off.

I would post the exact quote but there is a request on the site not to reproduce any of it elsewhere, so afraid for her exact words you'll need to read the interview.

That said, her main argument, paraphrasing, is that the media often looks for simple explanations to complicated situations. She says that Paul and Jane were about to break up when she first met him, and that they (P&J) went up to Scotland to try and work things out. They couldn't, and on arrival back in London, Jane announced the break-up, and things between her and Paul moved to the next stage.

If her timeline is correct, and she is the only primary source to give a detailed account of those events, it throws a different light on how things unfolded.  

Thanks for that, @Ron Nasty! Never read that interview by Francie before, definitely provides a whole new perspective to the Paul/Jane/Francie drama. Good to know that Paul at least tried to work things out with Jane, and he didn't use Francie to end the relationship. 

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With the usual groupies I would agree, @georgiewood. However, Paul also had affairs with actresses like Jill Haworth and Peggy Lipton (the future Mrs Quincy Jones). They were not groupies, but rather young women who thought their flings might lead somewhere.

However big The Beatles were, there were always those prepared to turn them down. Ronnie Spector's turning down of John is a prime example. Being able to admit you were attached, but not necessarily too attached, was am advantage in certain situations.  

@Ron Nasty: I didn't know that about Paul and Quincy Jones's wife. 

 

This article came out in the British press this week,Quincy telling us that he still has a lot of lovers (22!) around the world:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvs.....iends.html

 

Quincy's daughter Kidada,who is pictured with her dad and sister in the article,dated the late rapper Tupac Shakur,who was yet another guy who couldn't keep his dick in his pants lol. 'Pac famously had flings with Madonna and Janet Jackson back in the day (Jackson appeared in a film alongside Tupac called Poetic Justice, and they apparently became close both on and off screen). 

Maybe Quincy's cheating ways rubbed off on those around him! a-hard-days-night-george-10

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I wouldn't believe anything Francie Schwarz says by a long shot. She comes across as a bit of a know all IMO. Paul and Jane on the verge of breaking up? How would she know, unless she thought she was a fly on the wall at the couple's home in Scotland. I very much doubt too that Paul deliberately set himself up to be caught out by Jane Asher. He was pretty much heartbroken over the breakup according to Cynthia Lennon; this was corroborated both by Alistair Taylor and Leslie Cavendish, the Beatles' hairdresser. I would say these people were far more reliable witnesses than Francie and co. I did read many years ago that the only thing Jane ever mentioned about her relationship with Paul was that everything written about it was based on half truths. More recently, she was asked whether she wanted to set the record straight and she said no, the record can remain crooked. So there you have it - nobody really knows what happened except Jane and Paul, and I wouldn't rely on Paul either, such is his capacity for rewriting history when anything hits a raw nerve.

Interesting to note that Jane met Paul before he became really famous and had first hand knowledge of his background; none of the other women in his life have ever had this insight. She visited and stayed at the small council house in Liverpool where Paul lived with his father, and despite her upper middle class background was never judgemental about this. She loved and believed in Paul for what he was - an intelligent, thoughtful and gifted young man. Both of them were very attractive, charismatic and talented in their own right, together they turned heads and captured the popular imagination in a way that Paul and Linda never really could. And here is the elephant in the room for me. Jane Asher was (and still is) a natural performer. Linda was not a performer in any sense - she was not a model or an actress, or a musician or a singer. If this was her vocation she would have established herself long before she met Paul. She was a photographer, a talented one, a behind the scenes person, yet Paul felt this need to make her famous, to make their marriage highly visible. Why? To keep his marriage interesting? Exciting? The fact that Linda did this to support her husband is irrelevant; there was nothing whatsoever to stop them being together or to be supportive of one another. Sure it was a good marriage, but for me, true love is loving someone for who they are, not for what you want them to be.

As for Jane today I doubt whether she is impressed by Paul's fantastic wealth or his massive fame and she deserves a lot more respect than what she is given. When she was with Paul she received just as many nasty comments from fans as Linda did, probably more so. In fact, all the women in the Beatles' lives did so I never knew why Linda and Yoko Ono thought they were so hard done by. As for Paul McCartney , there seem to be two people over the years he can't stop talking about. One is John Lennon , the other is Jane Asher.

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So basically Paul was as much of a control freak in his relationships as he ultimately became in the studio...  a-hard-days-night-paul-4

I suppose we'll never know the full story, given that Jane has refused to ever discuss her time with Paul in any interview.

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Duke_of_Kirkcaldy said
So basically Paul was as much of a control freak in his relationships as he ultimately became in the studio...  a-hard-days-night-paul-4

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I feel like the words to Here, There And Everywhere show how Paul wanted to be in contol of Jane.

To lead a better life
I need my love to be here

Here

Someone is speaking, but she doesn't know he's there

I want her everywhere
And if she's beside me I know I need never care

But to love her is to need her everywhere

I think Jane needed her space.

I wish I could see this song as a sweet love song, but I just can't. It seems demanding and smothering.

As someone mentioned elsewhere, Paul gives Nancy her space. They aren't connected at the hip or head.

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Ahhh Girl said

Duke_of_Kirkcaldy said
So basically Paul was as much of a control freak in his relationships as he ultimately became in the studio...  a-hard-days-night-paul-4

(Snip)

I feel like the words to Here, There And Everywhere show how Paul wanted to be in contol of Jane.

To lead a better life
I need my love to be here

Here

Someone is speaking, but she doesn't know he's there

I want her everywhere
And if she's beside me I know I need never care

But to love her is to need her everywhere

I think Jane needed her space.

I wish I could see this song as a sweet love song, but I just can't. It seems demanding and smothering.

As someone mentioned elsewhere, Paul gives Nancy her space. They aren't connected at the hip or head.  

I agree with you @Ahhh Girl. Smothering is the right word. Mind you,if Jane was my girlfriend,I'd probably want to be around her all the time too,she was a looker. But seriously,Paul was a young lad then,and he's grown up and matured emotionally now. Being clingy like that will just end up driving a woman away. It's happened to mates of mine,who've lost partners because they're constantly checking their phone, wanting to know who they've been with etc. It's not healthy. Every relationship is built on trust. If you don't have that at least,your relationship probably won't last too long. Damn,I sound like Jeremy Kyle hahahaahdn_george_06

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I keep thinking that the proper title for this thread should be "Why didn't Jane ever marry Paul?". mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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Here's my opinion. If he married Jane, We might not have gotten Wings

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@Ahhh Girl said
I keep thinking that the proper title for this thread should be "Why didn't Jane ever marry Paul?". mccartney-shrug_01_gif  

But the answer would probably be because Paul couldn't keep his pants zipped, and then we're on "Why couldn't Paul keep his pants zipped when he had Jane?"

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Ron Nasty said

[... Paul couldn't keep his pants zipped, and then we're on "Why couldn't Paul keep his pants zipped when he had Jane?" ] 

A question you could ask about all of them I suppose, especially George with Maureen. At least Paul had the excuse that Jane wasn't there for a lot of the time, even when she was, I think the relationship seemed too well behaved and tame to keep him from straying.

Paul Newman is quoted as replying when asked about all the temptations on offer, why go out for hamburger when you have steak at home. Not sure  many stars live by that maxim.

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I've felt that as Paul's time with Jane coincided with a tumultuous period in Beatles history and it was probably quite hard to think of settling down in total. When he and Linda re-connected in 1968 he was probably feeling more like the Beatles cohesiveness was starting to radically ebb, a new phase would soon begin, and maybe that made him more amenable to the idea of settling down and having some personal security. Others have mentioned that Linda was more attuned to the kind of partner Paul was seeking.  That doesn't make Linda less confident or Jane better and more confident, just the way people align to each other in certain marriages. 

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That argument only works so far, @SunKing. It has to be remembered that Paul and Jane got engaged on Christmas Day 1967, and Jane announced their split on 20 July 1968. Less than a year later (12 March 1969) Paul and Linda were married. It was a few months in which both Paul and John turned their backs on long-term relationships, and both found new partners in women they had known for a while and quickly married.

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You make a good point @Ron Nasty and I defer to your more knowledgeable opinion which you've laid out well. It does seem odd that the relationship with Asher accelerated toward the end with an engagement. There are many ways to speculate - that faced with the feeling they were drifting they instead tried one large gesture to keep going, thinking marriage may resolve it, or perhaps they felt their years together deemed they get engaged.  Maybe Paul even pulled out a proposal to make amends after a previous infidelity. 

The John/Yoko situation always seemed more understandable to me because the marriage to Cynthia was driven to some extent by the pregnancy, and Yoko was so unique as to be tantalizing to John in way that probably made Cynthia appear conventional by unfair comparison, and John's looking for the next big thing is well known.  But the Paul/Jane/Linda doesn't seem to have such a stark difference.  And it's unclear even to this day how much of this was Paul's decision and how much was Jane's.

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