Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
what if Paul had never met Linda?
4 November 2013
2.15pm
Avatar
Starr Shine?
Waiting in the sky
Apple rooftop
Members
Forum Posts: 16105
Member Since:
1 November 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I read another topic about what if John and Yoko never met and I been thinking about this since I read that topic. What do you think would be different if they never met?

https://youtu.be/52nwiTs7bk8

Brainwashed by RadiantCowbells.

If you can't log in and can't use the forum go here and someone will help you out.

4 November 2013
2.33pm
Avatar
TheBeatlesJohn
Anywhere, cause I'm free as a bird
London Palladium
Members
Forum Posts: 159
Member Since:
30 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

We probably wouldn’t have Wings

Or ‘Wonderful Xmas Time’, ‘Live And Let Die ‘, ‘Silly love songs’, ‘Band On The Run ‘, ‘Maybe I’m amazed’ or ‘Mull Of Kintyre

The following people thank TheBeatlesJohn for this post:

Starr Shine?

Favourite band: The Beatles
Favourite song: Yesterday
Favourite album: Rubber Soul
Favourite member: Paul McCartney

4 November 2013
2.40pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Welcome to the site, Annadog40.

You’re right, it is as interesting a question as the John and Yoko question, and maybe would have changed things more. After all, the big falling-out was not really over whether Klein should manage the group (though Paul was right on that one), but whether Klein or Paul’s in-laws should manage the group. Had Paul been suggesting anyone other than them, he would certainly have got a different hearing from George and Ringo, and maybe even John. It changed all their relationships in 1969, and it’s probable that the argument that really split the group would not have happened if Paul had not met Linda.

Should you wish to introduce yourself, there is a thread over in “All Together Now “. Again, welcome to the forum, and love the cute avatar!

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Starr Shine?, sir walter raleigh

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

4 November 2013
2.46pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 25136
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Alcoholic driven to an early grave.

Seriously, there would never have been the fight between going with the Eastman’s or Klein for who controlled Apple so maybe Paul would have intimately gone with Klein and further down the line they got truly screwed over and lost everything except what amounts to decent handouts every few months. Maybe the Beatles would have survived for a couple of more albums as well as the differences between John, Ringo, George on one side and Paul on the other wouldn’t have been so bitter.

As for the Paul, probably flitted between casual flings for a few more years before finding someone to settle down with but i doubt it would have lasted and divorce would follow. Linda (and Heather) really forced him to knuckle down and stop the casual encounters.

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Starr Shine?, lovelyritametermaid, sir walter raleigh

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

4 November 2013
2.57pm
Avatar
DrBeatle
The Midwest via Boston
Candlestick Park
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 1595
Member Since:
29 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

meanmistermustard said
Alcoholic driven to an early grave.

Seriously, there would never have been the fight between going with the Eastman’s or Klein for who controlled Apple so maybe Paul would have intimately gone with Klein and further down the line they got truly screwed over and lost everything except what amounts to decent handouts every few months. Maybe the Beatles would have survived for a couple of more albums as well as the differences between John, Ringo, George on one side and Paul on the other wouldn’t have been so bitter.

As for the Paul, probably flitted between casual flings for a few more years before finding someone to settle down with but i doubt it would have lasted and divorce would follow. Linda (and Heather) really forced him to knuckle down and stop the casual encounters.

Well said. Paul has never been kidding when he’s said over the years that Linda saved his life.

 

The following people thank DrBeatle for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I know you, you know me; one thing I can tell you is you got to be free!"

 

Please Visit My Website, The Rock and Roll Chemist

Twitter: @rocknrollchem

Facebook: rnrchemist

 

4 November 2013
3.11pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

DrBeatle said

meanmistermustard said
Alcoholic driven to an early grave.

Seriously, there would never have been the fight between going with the Eastman’s or Klein for who controlled Apple so maybe Paul would have intimately gone with Klein and further down the line they got truly screwed over and lost everything except what amounts to decent handouts every few months. Maybe the Beatles would have survived for a couple of more albums as well as the differences between John, Ringo, George on one side and Paul on the other wouldn’t have been so bitter.

As for the Paul, probably flitted between casual flings for a few more years before finding someone to settle down with but i doubt it would have lasted and divorce would follow. Linda (and Heather) really forced him to knuckle down and stop the casual encounters.

Well said. Paul has never been kidding when he’s said over the years that Linda saved his life

Though it could be argued that the depression he sank into during 1969 was the result of his deteriorating relationships with John, George and Ringo, and that – as both mmm and myself have argued – may not have happened without the Klein/Eastman situation.

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

4 November 2013
3.41pm
Avatar
DrBeatle
The Midwest via Boston
Candlestick Park
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 1595
Member Since:
29 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Again, true. There was such a huge shitstorm in those days with so much swirling around them that no ONE reason contributed…everything was very intertwined.

The following people thank DrBeatle for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I know you, you know me; one thing I can tell you is you got to be free!"

 

Please Visit My Website, The Rock and Roll Chemist

Twitter: @rocknrollchem

Facebook: rnrchemist

 

4 November 2013
3.50pm
Avatar
Linde
The Netherlands
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 2781
Member Since:
21 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I think it would’ve happened anyway. Maybe they would’ve overcome the whole situation eventually and maybe they would’ve been less bitter, but we have to remind ourselves that the Eastman/Klein thing wasn’t the starting point of their fights and relationship that became worse. There were more factors. I don’t think Paul would’ve gone with Klein if he hadn’t known the Eastmans. He didn’t trust Klein. Had he not known Eastman, he still wouldn’t have trusted Klein.

Of course we will never know this and this is all just pure speculation, but this is just what I think.

 

Back to the original subject:

We wouldn’t have had Wings. Maybe we would’ve had another band, but it would’ve been very different. We would’ve missed a lot of the songs we love like Maybe I’m Amazed etc. Also the band (had there been one) wouldn’t have been called Wings, obviously.

The following people thank Linde for this post:

Starr Shine?
4 November 2013
4.07pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Linde said
I don’t think Paul would’ve gone with Klein if he hadn’t known the Eastmans. He didn’t trust Klein. Had he not known Eastman, he still wouldn’t have trusted Klein.

Of course we will never know this and this is all just pure speculation, but this is just what I think.

We wouldn’t have had Wings. Maybe we would’ve had another band, but it would’ve been very different… Also the band (had there been one) wouldn’t have been called Wings, obviously.

As I suggested further up, had he not been able to suggest the Eastmans instead of Klein, it is likely he would looked around to find someone else. The argument was not over whether they needed management – they were all pretty agreed on that by that time, but whether Klein or the in-laws. Had Paul been suggesting someone different, everything could have been different.

Agree it can only be speculation though.

Why wouldn’t we have had Wings though? I agree they would have been a different band, but Paul like being in a band, and – though a lesser solo Paul fan (in that I have read far less about solo Paul than say John and George) – why wouldn’t they be called Wings? I don’t get the obviously. Did Linda come up with the name?

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

4 November 2013
4.42pm
Avatar
DrBeatle
The Midwest via Boston
Candlestick Park
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 1595
Member Since:
29 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

They were called Wings because when Linda was giving birth to Stella in 1971 there were some complications and Paul prayed one night and he had a vision of a winged angel, so after Stella was born and everything was OK, they named the band Wings. No Linda, no Stella, no Wings (the name, at least).

The following people thank DrBeatle for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I know you, you know me; one thing I can tell you is you got to be free!"

 

Please Visit My Website, The Rock and Roll Chemist

Twitter: @rocknrollchem

Facebook: rnrchemist

 

4 November 2013
4.49pm
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12534
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for that, DrBeatle. Like I said, I’ve read less about solo Paul, and always happy and eager to learn things I don’t know.

 

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

4 November 2013
5.02pm
mccartneyalarm
Royal Command Performance
Members
Forum Posts: 243
Member Since:
9 July 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Thanks for the info about Wings…I never knew that. I think it would have been a shame had he not met her, musically and because of their offspring. Wow…they begat some seriously talented children. I’m not sure he would have ended up in divorce had he not married Linda. I think he would be a fairly devoted husband to someone he really loved (though, I agree Linda helped reign him in and give his life purpose). Do you all think that he and Jane Asher would have gotten back together if there was no Linda? I agree, after his 2-year depression over the Beatles break-up…he’d have formed a band of some sort. He can’t sit still…it just wouldn’t have been Wings.

The following people thank mccartneyalarm for this post:

Starr Shine?

"And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make."

4 November 2013
5.27pm
Avatar
DrBeatle
The Midwest via Boston
Candlestick Park
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 1595
Member Since:
29 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I don’t think he and Jane would have worked…she wanted a career, he wanted a woman who would be more domestic. Even though Linda had her own career and interests, she was also a devoted mother and homemaker. Hell, one of the things that made Paul fall in love is when she told him when they were dating, “you know, I could make a nice home for you.” To my mind, she was the PERFECT woman for him in every way, and I think vice versa for her. That’s borne out by how devoted they were for 30 years of marriage (unheard of for celebrities!) and how devastated he was when she passed.

 

Yoko and the Cult of St. Lennon members can keep trying to whitewash and rewrite that “great love affair,” but they always seem to overlook the real one that came out of the Beatles.

The following people thank DrBeatle for this post:

Starr Shine?, star1262

"I know you, you know me; one thing I can tell you is you got to be free!"

 

Please Visit My Website, The Rock and Roll Chemist

Twitter: @rocknrollchem

Facebook: rnrchemist

 

4 November 2013
5.48pm
Bungalow Bob
Seattle, Washington
Paris Olympia
Members
Forum Posts: 354
Member Since:
16 September 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

DrBeatle said
They were called Wings because when Linda was giving birth to Stella in 1971 there were some complications and Paul prayed one night and he had a vision of a winged angel, so after Stella was born and everything was OK, they named the band Wings. No Linda, no Stella, no Wings (the name, at least).

Thanks, I liked learning this little bit of trivia. As for Paul meeting (or not meeting) Linda, I think the only thing we’ll ever know for certain, is that the song “The Lovely Linda ” would not have been written for the album “McCartney.”

The following people thank Bungalow Bob for this post:

Starr Shine?, star1262
4 November 2013
5.50pm
Avatar
Linde
The Netherlands
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 2781
Member Since:
21 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Yeah sorry I read over that bit ghehe.

Wings’ name came from the way Stella’s birth went or something like that. Can’t really remember the exact story, but it did have something to do with Stella’s birth.

Oh..found it:

The band name is said to have come to McCartney as he was praying in the hospital while Linda was giving birth to their second child together, Stella, on 13 September 1971. Paul McCartney recalled in the film Wingspan that the birth of Stella was “a bit of a drama”; there were complications at the birth and that both Linda and the baby almost died. He was praying fervently and the image of wings came to his mind. He decided to name his new band “Wings”

4 November 2013
5.51pm
Avatar
DrBeatle
The Midwest via Boston
Candlestick Park
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 1595
Member Since:
29 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Linde said
Yeah sorry I read over that bit ghehe.

Wings’ name came from the way Stella’s birth went or something like that. Can’t really remember the exact story, but it did have something to do with Stella’s birth.

Oh..found it:

The band name is said to have come to McCartney as he was praying in the hospital while Linda was giving birth to their second child together, Stella, on 13 September 1971. Paul McCartney recalled in the film Wingspan that the birth of Stella was “a bit of a drama”; there were complications at the birth and that both Linda and the baby almost died. He was praying fervently and the image of wings came to his mind. He decided to name his new band “Wings”

See my post 5 posts above yours :P

 

The following people thank DrBeatle for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I know you, you know me; one thing I can tell you is you got to be free!"

 

Please Visit My Website, The Rock and Roll Chemist

Twitter: @rocknrollchem

Facebook: rnrchemist

 

4 November 2013
5.53pm
Avatar
Linde
The Netherlands
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 2781
Member Since:
21 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

I forgot to refresh the page so I didn’t see it.

The following people thank Linde for this post:

Starr Shine?
4 November 2013
6.25pm
Avatar
DrBeatle
The Midwest via Boston
Candlestick Park
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 1595
Member Since:
29 November 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

Linde said
I forgot to refresh the page so I didn’t see it.

It’s ok, I was only joking :D

 

The following people thank DrBeatle for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I know you, you know me; one thing I can tell you is you got to be free!"

 

Please Visit My Website, The Rock and Roll Chemist

Twitter: @rocknrollchem

Facebook: rnrchemist

 

4 November 2013
7.09pm
Bungalow Bob
Seattle, Washington
Paris Olympia
Members
Forum Posts: 354
Member Since:
16 September 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

If Paul had never met Linda, she would not have gotten co-writing credits on a bunch of best-selling songs. That list, along with some other interesting things about Linda, can be read here:   http://ultimateclassicrock.com…..mccartney/

The following people thank Bungalow Bob for this post:

Starr Shine?
4 November 2013
7.22pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 25136
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

If Linda had never met Paul then Yoko and Paul might have gotten together – or John and Paul (see a handful of threads).

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Starr Shine?

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 2057
Currently Online: Sea Belt
Guest(s) 189
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16105
Ron Nasty: 12534
Zig: 9827
50yearslate: 8759
Necko: 8047
AppleScruffJunior: 7585
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6394
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2898
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5552
Posts: 383214
Newest Members:
AnoushBeatlesMegaFan, Carl simpson, themuse69, Johnny Silver, CaesarRock
Moderators: Joe: 5710, meanmistermustard: 25136, Ahhh Girl: 22590, Beatlebug: 18219, The Hole Got Fixed: 8410
Administrators: Joe: 5710