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Relatively new to McCartney--need some help.
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Von Bontee
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24 April 2013 - 8.19pm

parlance said

Von Bontee said
I know there's gotta be some people like me who loved the Beatles so much as a perfect BAND, and find their solo works disappointing as a result. Although there's some excellent stuff out there undoubtedly, my absolute favourite solo albums (of which there are several) probably would rank no higher than my least favourite Beatles album.

I don't think you're alone. In fact, I think your opinion is that of the majority of fans. As much as I love some of their solo albums, I always say the whole was greater than the sum of the parts. It's quite a legacy to live up to.

parlance

Yes, "the sum of the parts" - especially when it comes to their SINGING!

I realize that there are indeed many like me - I just meant that I felt like I was in the minority, as far as that goes, within the 'bible. Here, it often seems to me that folks have their favourite Beatle and tend to regard that Beatle's best solo work as high or higher than that of the band.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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24 April 2013 - 8.29pm

Von Bontee said

Yes, "the sum of the parts" - especially when it comes to their SINGING!

I realize that there are indeed many like me - I just meant that I felt like I was in the minority, as far as that goes, within the 'bible. Here, it often seems to me that folks have their favourite Beatle and tend to regard that Beatle's best solo work as high or higher than that of the band.

I've felt quite the opposite here, actually, but you've been a member much longer.

parlance

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24 April 2013 - 10.02pm

My favourite Beatles are John and George but i would be hard pushed to argue Paul's solo catalogue isnt better overall but thats probably because there is far more.

Walls And Bridges is over-produced, the outtakes without all the gunk on top are incredible, Mind Games has the same problem but to a lesser accent on the incredible, Some Time In New York City dreadful, Rock n Roll just below average, Double Fantasy and Milk And Honey are good when i remove Yoko and turn it into a John only LP. 

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24 April 2013 - 10.20pm

meanmistermustard said
My favourite Beatles are John and George but i would be hard pushed to argue Paul's solo catalogue isnt better overall but thats probably because there is far more.

And obviously I can't argue that either, as I haven't hard all of McCartney's catalogue yet.  I can only judge by what I have heard so far.

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24 April 2013 - 10.21pm

Expert Textpert said

meanmistermustard said
My favourite Beatles are John and George but i would be hard pushed to argue Paul's solo catalogue isnt better overall but thats probably because there is far more.

And obviously I can't argue that either, as I haven't heard all of the McCartney catalogue yet.

'Less is More' Just because an artist puts out a lot of albums does not make a better artist. My personal taste focuses on the lyrics and the meaning in the songs more than just the musical production which is why I feel Harrison and Lennon wrote the best songs in my opinion.

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24 April 2013 - 10.32pm

meanmistermustard said
My favourite Beatles are John and George but i would be hard pushed to argue Paul's solo catalogue isnt better overall but thats probably because there is far more.

Walls And Bridges is over-produced, the outtakes without all the gunk on top are incredible, Mind Games has the same problem but to a lesser accent on the incredible, Some Time In New York City dreadful, Rock n Roll just below average, Double Fantasy and Milk And Honey are good when i remove Yoko and turn it into a John only LP. 

 

Oh gosh I know, Yoko ruins John's later records for me, I have to skip her songs they are  just blue-meanie

 

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24 April 2013 - 10.44pm

Good point, Inner Light.

And I love all of Yoko's music.  I think her Plastic Ono Band album might even be better than John's, depending on how you look at it.  She was way ahead of her time.

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24 April 2013 - 10.51pm

Expert Textpert said

Good point, Inner Light.

I think her Plastic Ono Band album might even be better than John's, depending on how you look at it. 

Dude! I don't think anybody else besides me has ever posted that opinion on this page.

Don't agree with Inner Light regarding lyrics/ideas vs. music, however. To me it's about 80% music, 20% lyrics, I'd say.

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25 April 2013 - 2.06am

DrBeatle said
John's solo output is pretty poor overall...Plastic Ono Band is a great album, Imagine has some great cuts and a lot of filler, and Walls And Bridges is great, but apart from a handful of tracks, the rest of it is lousy. George really tailed off, quality-wise, after Living in the Material World, again apart from a handful of tracks.

I agree one hundred percent with this.

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25 April 2013 - 2.20am

Von Bontee said
Yes, "the sum of the parts" - especially when it comes to their SINGING!

I realize that there are indeed many like me - I just meant that I felt like I was in the minority, as far as that goes, within the 'bible. Here, it often seems to me that folks have their favourite Beatle and tend to regard that Beatle's best solo work as high or higher than that of the band.

I've never really noticed this either. I thought most people would agree that the sum is greater than the parts. I'm more often on a Paul kick than a Beatles kick, but I'm definitely more of a Beatles fan. From 2009, up until 2012, I pretty much only listened to The Beatles, so I kind of kicked myself off them for a while. Not that I can't listen to them, or don't like to anymore, I just can't normally do it all day every day.

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25 April 2013 - 10.41am

parlance said 

I always say the whole was greater than the sum of the parts.

Wonderful way of putting it.

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From 2009, up until 2012, I pretty much only listened to The Beatles, so I kind of kicked myself off them for a while. Not that I can't listen to them, or don't like to anymore, I just can't normally do it all day every day.

I try to keep that from happening by only listening to a certain album for a while. I'll get tired of it and move on to a different album, and by the time I get through them, I won't be tired of the first album, so I'll listen to it, et cetera, et cetera. It's a cycle. :)

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25 April 2013 - 5.21pm

I've been mostly listening to Beatles and Beatles solo stuff now for several months. I keep wondering if I will get tired of it, but other music is not as satisfying when I put it on. The Beatles are like crack.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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25 April 2013 - 5.40pm

I can listen to the beatles for ages and not miss anything else. I am getting a bit bored now just havent got around to refreshing my ipod which was cleaned out 3 months ago leaving only 3 artists and i didnt have the time then to put stuff on.

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27 April 2013 - 7.12pm

Found some albums at a library:

Flaming Pie

Chaos and Creation

Off The Ground

Back in the U.S.

Kisses On The Bottom

...when I get paid I'll be buying McCartney II.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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27 April 2013 - 8.19pm

The library's a great option, isn't it? I just got a notice that Ram is on hold for me.

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parlance said
The library's a great option, isn't it? I just got a notice that Ram is on hold for me.

parlance

Ever heard it before? Not only do I think it's the best album any of them ever made after the split, I honestly put it up against any Beatles album.  In my opinion, it's flawless, especially when the non-album Another Day/Oh Woman Oh Why single is included. 

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Egroeg Evoli
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30 April 2013 - 3.06am

I love Another Day!

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30 April 2013 - 5.40am

Another Day is fun to play on the guitar, and yet again the B7 chord is utilised here.

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30 April 2013 - 7.15am

DrBeatle said

parlance said
The library's a great option, isn't it? I just got a notice that Ram is on hold for me.

parlance

Ever heard it before? Not only do I think it's the best album any of them ever made after the split, I honestly put it up against any Beatles album.  In my opinion, it's flawless, especially when the non-album Another Day/Oh Woman Oh Why single is included. 

 

Yes, I've heard it on YouTube a couple of times, so I'm looking forward to hearing it properly.

parlance

Beware of sadness. It can hit you. It can hurt you. Make you sore and what is more, that is not what you are here for. - George

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30 April 2013 - 11.36am

Sorry -- the only proper way to hear Ram is to walk to a record store, and buy the LP, then take it back home and put it on a turn-table.

Old man rant over.

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