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I saw the documentary in the original post a few months ago, mainly because I saw the 'massive ego' bit, and clicked on it. Pure clickbait. If anything,the documentary actually shows the opposite of what this person is claiming. And if he has a bit of an ego,so what? I think he's earned the right! He's a phenomenal musician, good looking, charismatic, fucked loads of hot women,made a ton of money, and he was in the Beatles,the greatest band ever,a band that are still influencing musicians today. So yeah,an ego,if he has one,is certainly understandable. To me,he always comes across as open and honest,polite, courteous etc.

 

Paul, keep doing you mate. Ignore the haters. I'm sure if he ever reads negative comments about himself,he probably does so with a massive grin on his face while counting his fortune. It must feel so good to be him 

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All four Beatles had massive egos, to pick Paul out and gripe is to conveniently overlook how the other three could be. The four had to have huge egos to get to where they wanted to.

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Its unbelievable how some pop stars can even function as people when you think about how much attention they get. A little bit of ego is understandable, especially in a working environment. Paul does an excellent job of managing his fame well because he is very intentional about it. He’s been doing it for a long time.

Others don’t react in the same way. Cobain was torn apart by his struggle with ego and fame. Many celebrities turn to drugs and partying. John certainly did. People today like Katy Perry do a solid job managing their fame and influence, while others like Justin Bieber and Kanye West do not. 

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Others don’t react in the same way. Cobain was torn apart by his struggle with ego and fame. Many celebrities turn to drugs and partying. John certainly did. People today like Katy Perry do a solid job managing their fame and influence, while others like Justin Bieber and Kanye West do not.   

I don't think any celebrities will ever do a better job at managing their fame and influence than the Jo Bros. <3

But about Paul's ego, I think it is massive and I don't think there's a problem with it at all. I don't know him personally, but he doesn't appear to me to come off as condescending to others, which is when I think having a large ego really becomes an issue. Thinking (or knowing) that you are talented and great is a good thing. Everybody should be able to value and take pride in what they accomplish.

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All four Beatles had massive egos, to pick Paul out and gripe is to conveniently overlook how the other three could be. The four had to have huge egos to get to where they wanted to.  

Yeah,I know what you mean. Whoever made the 'Massive Ego' comment is clearly not a Paul fan, and that's fine. I just found it hilarious that the documentary did the complete opposite ie show him to be friendly, courteous and inclusive to most. Trying to live your life while having cameras following you around must be a drag at times (I know I wouldn't like it),but that's the price of fame I guess. I can only think of one instance where he lost his temper with the press (when they followed him to Scotland and he threw a glass of water over the guy), and even after that,he still invited them in and gave them their story anyway. He's a class act

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"Making love with his ego..." a-hard-days-night-paul-8

 

Just a little joke. I can understand where someone who isn't a big/at all a Macca fan labelling this video as him just showing off his ego, but hey, everyone has had it to do it sometime, and of course as a Macca fan, I found it quite fun to watch! I enjoyed the cover of Fly Me to The Moon and the bits where he interacted with the other rock stars. Those Weinstein parts are pretty awkward though... 

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I saw the documentary in the original post a few months ago, mainly because I saw the 'massive ego' bit, and clicked on it. Pure clickbait. If anything,the documentary actually shows the opposite of what this person is claiming. And if he has a bit of an ego,so what? I think he's earned the right! He's a phenomenal musician, good looking, charismatic, fucked loads of hot women,made a ton of money, and he was in the Beatles,the greatest band ever,a band that are still influencing musicians today. So yeah,an ego,if he has one,is certainly understandable. To me,he always comes across as open and honest,polite, courteous etc.

 

Paul, keep doing you mate. Ignore the haters. I'm sure if he ever reads negative comments about himself,he probably does so with a massive grin on his face while counting his fortune. It must feel so good to be him   

Couldn't have said it better. Paul is one of the most successful musicians of all time yet in almost every interview he's polite, friendly, funny and he never comes across as condescending. His sillier songs show that he doesn't take himself too seriously and his decisions to work with artists like Kayne show that he doesn't think he's above others.

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If Paul didn’t have a massive ego, we would never get to hear him show off!

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Let me start off by stating that I like Paul as a songwriter, musician, and singer (all in the past-tense).  But, I've often been put off by his ego. 

He puts on this smiling "aw shucks" face, yet is a meglomaniac deep down.  It's disturbing for me as a life-long Beatles fan.

First of all, he tried to get Yoko to allow his name to appear first on songs that he wrote totally on his own.  In other words, he wanted 'Yesterday ' to say, "McCartney-Lennon."  Of course, Yoko refused.  And rightly so.  She said that a deal is a deal. 

Then, whenever he's questioned about the Beatles's songs, he is so eager to state how much he helped John on his songs.  But, gives John little to no credit on the help he received from John on his own songs.  Hmm...

And, there's a comment by John just prior to the release of Abbey Road .  John told a reporter, "George wrote the best song on the album.  It's called 'Something .'"  I cannot imagine Paul saying such a thing...not in a million years!

These few examples, combined with Paul's insistence on touring for years after he lost his voice, convince me that we're dealing with a real ego-maniac.  I really doubt that John would be performing now if his voice was gone. 

No need to cite chapters and verses.  I've read and listened to dozens of interviews with both Lennon and McCartney.  John was a more genuinely humble guy.  He was very critical of many of his songs.  Not Paul, ever. 

Even on Monday Night Football in 1973 or so, John said, "Be sure to buy Ringo's new album!"  (Didn't mention his own that was also out at the time!)

Lastly, there's the  patronizing remark he made to Phil Collins.  You can look that up, I won't detail it here.

So, what do you think?  I welcome replies.  Thanks.

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I don't think he's that way at all.  I think he has insecurities that sometimes come out badly but frankly I thought Phil Collins sounded like a total idiot for taking what Paul said so seriously. I mean it wasn't the first time they'd met, they'd met before and Phil's asking him for an autograph on his book?  It was kind of a funny situation in and of itself and as it was explained, it sounded like teasing to me. Sounds to me more like Phil takes himself way too seriously.  If it was me, I would have laughed because hello, I'm asking someone I've met before, who is in my business of which I've had no small amount of success myself, for an autograph on a book, like some kiddie fanboy?  Honestly it sounds more to be like Paul was treating Phil like someone who had a better opinion of himself(Phil of Phil, not Phil of Paul) and could appreciate the kind of oddness of the situation. To tell the truth I'd probably have presented it that way to begin with "Mr McCartney, hey can I have your autograph please sir?" in a joking way.  

 

As for Paul's voice?  Really, with all the rock singers out there, some even younger than Paul, who garble their way through performances?  They do it because either they need the money or hey, you know, they just like performing and people come to see them so why not?  IMO people who have a problem with Paul's voice, it's their problem. Not Paul's.  It's not a sign of megalomania to love what you do and to continue to do it.  It would be one thing if he was like "singer first" and the only thing he was known for was his voice, it was his claim to fame or something like that, like Pavarotti, but he's not, he's a songwriter first and foremost and a musician after that, the singing is just part of it.  People clearly still have a great time at his shows because they are good shows, even if his voice has aged.

 

As for that "deal" the deal John and Paul made was their names would switch out who was first and who came second.  There is even a letter somewhere from Brian Epstein, pre Spain trip, explaining this to someone either at the record company or the publisher, as I recall.  But John either went behind Paul's back or Brian was buttering up John's ego for his own gain because he had a thing for him and while they were on the Spain trip decided it would be "Lennon-McCartney" all the time and presented it to Paul as a fait accompli and Paul had to swallow it down for the good of group really, they were on the verge of taking over the world at that point. 🙂  Or didn't you know the Please Please Me album ORIGINALLY had all the songs credited as McCartney-Lennon?  

If Paul had done that we'd be hearing about how awful he was, what a bad friend he was, what a backstabber he was, but hey it's fine that John stabbed Paul in the back that way right?  As well while John was still alive, on the Wings Over America live album, Paul switched the credits around on the Beatles songs he put on the album, which were all written by him or mainly by him and John didn't have a problem with it as I'm sure we would have heard if he had. He had no problem letting it be known he was pissed off at George because he didn't feel George mentioned him enough in his I, Me, Mine book.

And Paul's actually mentioned plenty of ways John helped him on songs.  People spent decades quite eager to give John all the credit so Paul's extra sensitive to it.  Maybe if people hadn't been such jerks for so long, it wouldn't have affected Paul the way it did. Because it wasn't something that used to bother him, not until John's death suddenly became a way to take it out on Paul and belittle all his accomplishments.

Paul's been critical of entire sections of his own career so I don't know where you get that, just a couple years ago he said Wings were not "a good group" - he just tends to go back and forth on it because again, insecurity and insecurity can make people inconsistent in their opinions. 

I don't think John was more humble, I think John was actually the "PR Beatle" far more than Paul, esp when the Beatles ended.  I think he was far more calculating in how he used the press and how he presented himself.  I'm not saying Paul wasn't but I don't think he went as far.  

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Thank god for McCartney’s massive ego. Nobody would ever write a song like   Uncle Albert /Admiral Halsey without an ego like that. He knew that he was always in a position to be a trend setter, and continued to write great music to maintain that position. 

Had Paul been more humble, I fear he might have been less ambitious. I believe it was his “I can do anything” mindset that inspired him to continue his music making success. And I love all of it. mccartney-shrug_01_gif

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And welcome to the forum @wilusa 

that was a very well written and well thought out response. apple01

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I stand by my comments completely.  I can see that your adoration has blinded you.  Paul probably thinks his voice sounds "good enough."

As for other rockers whose voices have gone, they should retire too.  I only know of one who still sings all songs in the original key and hits all notes, though not quite as easily as he used to.  Oh, and he's 73 now.  His name is Gary Brooker of Procol Harum.  Check him out.  But, he has a real voice, much stronger than McCartney's ever was.  Listen to 'A Salty Dog' or 'A Whiter Shade of Pale.'  Not easy to sing, by any means.  However, he still does it.

No one commented on how Paul would never say George's song was the best on Abbey Road .  Sure, it's a hypothetical, but I'd bet his fave tunes on each album are his own.  And 'Something ' IS the best song on that LP.  That, and 'Here Comes The Sun .'

Never mind, I'm sorry I brought the topic up.  I should've known better. 

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I stand by my comments completely.  I can see that your adoration has blinded you.  Paul probably thinks his voice sounds "good enough."

As for other rockers whose voices have gone, they should retire too.  I only know of one who still sings all songs in the original key and hits all notes, though not quite as easily as he used to.  Oh, and he's 73 now.  His name is Gary Brooker of Procol Harum.  Check him out.  But, he has a real voice, much stronger than McCartney's ever was.  Listen to 'A Salty Dog' or 'A Whiter Shade of Pale.'  Not easy to sing, by any means.  However, he still does it.

No one commented on how Paul would never say George's song was the best on Abbey Road .  Sure, it's a hypothetical, but I'd bet his fave tunes on each album are his own.  And 'Something ' IS the best song on that LP.  That, and 'Here Comes The Sun .'

Never mind, I'm sorry I brought the topic up.  I should've known better.   

Did you see him on his most recent tour? 

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@sir walter raleigh, you must have missed where the same poster similarly trashed Paul's most recent tour on the "American Tour in 2017" thread.  Seven posts and more than half of them are dedicated to trashing McCartney or at least getting in an insult at his expense.  paul-mccartney-thumb_gifpaul-mccartney-thumb_gif

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There's nothing wrong with having an opinion, @Emmett, nor with wanting to discuss it.

You'll find there are actually some here who agree with aspects of your critique even if they reject other aspects. I'm someone who has often been critical of aspects of Paul's personality - such as his constant trotting out of certain stories about The Beatles history that are plainly wrong (for example, his claim that The Beatles were firm on not going to America until they had a #1 there, despite the fact that all the contracts for their first American trip were signed and sealed before I Want To Hold Your Hand  had even been released there, let alone reached #1 there).

However, it does seem rather churlish to dismiss those who disagree with your opinions as being blinded by their adoration. Your opinions are being discussed, but did you really expect the forum to read them and give a collective gasp at the realisation we have all got it wrong for years?

There's nothing wrong with bringing a controversial opinion to the table if you're prepared to discuss and debate it with those who disagree; it's only wrong if you were just looking for people to agree with you, and were going to be offended when they didn't, which seems to be the case given your last post.

I would've liked to be discussing your opinions with you here, and where I agree and disagree, but am instead responding to your total dismissal of those who disagree with your opinion, and have raised valid points about your narrative - such as the pointing out that Wings Over America , released before John's death, was the first Paul album to reverse the songwriter credit, without complaint or challenge from John.

Instead of taking that point on, you instead ignore it because it doesn't fit your narrative, and instead criticise those who dare to disagree.

A shame, as both you and we might have been able to have an interesting discussion about Paul's flaws, as I'm sure there are few here who would say he doesn't have any.

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I find myself liking Paul's voice now better than his voice in the 60's at some points in songs. I saw him in concert 3 times from 2013-2017 during which I have enjoyed his singing on his songs from his Beatles days. I hope to see him a few more times. His NEW album rings through my head all the time. I am so thankful he didn't quit and deprive me* of his music.

* Yes, it is all about me. hehehe. The world may come along if it likes.

Paul gives John credit. He says he even still writes "with" John. WWJD in Paul's world is What Would John Do? He knows he needed, and still needs, John's insight, talent, and friendly caring and compassion.

Listen to Pau's songs Hosannah and Scared, and you will hear how humble he can be. The way he sings "If you believe it you can stay all night" sounds like a timid schoolboy. No brash and brazen there.

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I merged posts 49 to 58 into this thread. The forum isn't big enough for two threads on Paul's ego. LOL.

Related thread: https://www.beatlesbible.com/forum/paul-mccartney/paul-rewrites-history/

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I'm someone who has often been critical of aspects of Paul's personality - such as his constant trotting out of certain stories about The Beatles history that are plainly wrong (for example, his claim that The Beatles were firm on not going to America until they had a #1 there, despite the fact that all the contracts for their first American trip were signed and sealed before I Want To Hold Your Hand  had even been released there, let alone reached #1 there).

That's your interpretation of the paper trail...  I believe that Brian Epstein had had his sights set on America long before it actually happened...  George Martin's accounts seem to confirm this as he's said before that he offered up 'Please Please Me ', 'From Me To You ' & 'She Loves You ' to Capitol before being rejected...  Swan & Vee-Jay picked them up instead...  Sir George recalled that when 'I Want To Hold Your Hand ' was recorded that "Capitol knew darn well that they couldn't refuse that one"...  Their confidence level at that point was at such a high that they "knew" that they had their "number one" in the can...

We really have no idea what was said between The Beatles & Brian back then, to say that Paul's story is "plainly wrong" is shortsighted...  Could he have dressed up the truth a little?  sure, for there's some truth to the idea that he was getting across, but to say that he's "plainly wrong" is to wear the label yourself...:-)

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