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Paul McCartney & Wings
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Old Siam Sir
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31 May 2012 - 4.27am

   Taken as a whole, yes, his wings output is better by percentage. I personally love everything Wings ever did almost as much as The Beatles. Although, RAM - McCartney - and McCartney II are just as good as anything Wings did. RAM is his best I think and it's almost a Wings album. It was his first album with a band again and it promted him to start Wings. All he needed was Denny! Wings greatest collections always include Uncle Albert and Another Day from the RAM sessions. Plus, two songs on Red Rose Speedway are actually RAM session tracks: Little Lamb Dragonfly and Get On the Right Thing I believe.
   I just love the fact that Paul started another band because he loved working in a group setting. I enjoy the fact that he even let the members get envolved in writting and singing some tunes as well (obviously not to the extent of The Fabs). And I think it's great that Wings were selling out stadiums right along side 70s greats like Zeppelin and Floyd! They rocked hard when they wanted to and did it really well.

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I found Memory Almost Full to be a bore with nothing going for it at all. However any change of liking Memory was drained by the trully awful drivel of Dance Tonight. The song i chose to use as my break when seeing Paul live last year. Hated it the first time i heard it, never grew on me, saw the video, hated it more.

I really need to get Chaos and Creation but cant find any enthusiasm to do so. I was one of the ones who bought Driving Rain full price. Any one who did deserves some slack.

Memory Almost Full is like Chaos and Creation-lite; repeating of ideas which garnered critical acclaim but with a far messier and less inspired execution, in the same way you could argue Venus And Mars is Band On The Run-lite. I'm sure you won't be disappointed by Chaos and Creation, 90% of the songwriting is tip-top and producer Nigel Godrich had the balls to actually tell Paul when the songs were sub-par so the material is filtered for quality, something I would imagine only George Martin has ever done before. Not to mention the "ambient", gloomy production which really adds to the sound. I can't recommend it enough. It's pretty unorthodox as McCartney music goes, but I think that's why it's held in high regard.

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31 May 2012 - 12.33pm

Yip I need to get past my reservations and get C&CITB. Its just that as soon as i think of Driving Rain and Memory Almost Full i break out into cold sweats. When i next see it cheap i'll pick up a copy.

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Into the Sky with Diamonds
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31 May 2012 - 12.53pm

If I could take but one McCartney album with me it would be Chaos and Creation. (Ask me again next year)

Except for "Follow Me" it's a great album start to finish. It's the "weighty-ist" of all his works. Even the little musical fade-out at the very end has some great little melodies.

Granted, I've listened to the others so often that they don't quicken my pulse as much.

Given time, I'm sure  Chaos and Creation will settle in among my other favorites.

(I admit it's missing a rocker)

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2 June 2012 - 11.51am

I love the wings, they're my favourite band next to the beatles. Paul solo is also amazing (maybe i'm amazed, another day), but all in all I think the wings were better (complete Band On The Run and Venus And Mars album, Mull Of Kintyre, Live And Let Die, silly love songs

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10 July 2012 - 3.16am

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I just wanted to share this amusing GIF of Paul in the Wings era....I CAN'T STOP LAUGHING. brian-epstein I love this man!

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5 November 2012 - 8.20am
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RAM was NOT a Wings album!

My appreciation for Wings is almost the magnitude of mine for The Fabs themselves. I think Wings are just as cheesy as everyone says but I love 'em for it! I hate when people claim that Paul was selling out during this period. He was selling out concert and albums but he was most certainly playing what he wanted to! Paul was always more experimental and out-there when it came to the music side. His lyrics were often silly and contrived but you still can't help singing along because his melodies are addictive. John might have written important thought-provoking lyrical masterpieces, but who slaps Sometime in NYC  (his most political album) on and sings along with it? I never really payed much attention to lyrics anyways. I'm a musician and it's the groove and instrumentation that floats my boat. John reverted back to old fashioned rock and roll when The Beatles split up while Macca was experimenting with new forms of rock and was really up there with groups like Queen and Pink Floyd when it came to assemble playing. I guess that's what you get with a band rather than just session players...
A good example of the difference is the track "Tomorrow Never Knows". John wrote those mind-expanding lyrics and genrally gets the credit for that song but it was Paul that layed down that groove (along with Ringo) and ran ALL of those crazy loops. The sound always came from Paul on the later years. "Come Together" is another example. John gets the credit for writing that song but it was Paul that came up with the bassline that the whole sound of the track was built around.
Just like those songs, it's the sound that hooked me. Wings had an amazing "sound"!!!!!!a-hard-days-night-paul-8

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Into the Sky with Diamonds
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5 November 2012 - 7.36pm

Old Siam Sir said, "RAM was NOT a Wings album!"

Considering the revolving cast of characters in Wings, one could be forgiven for including McCartney's 70s output under the Wings umbrella (except the first album).

The only Wings constants were Paul and Linda + Denny Laine.

Is Band On The Run a Wings album? Only Paul and Linda + Denny Laine went to Nigeria to record the album.

McCartney himself has listed Ram songs on his Wingspan retrospective, so we know his take on this.

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5 November 2012 - 8.50pm

He had songs from the first album and the post-Wings albums on Wingspan, too. Also, it gets even more nitpicky when you separate the "Paul McCartney AND Wings" LPs from the plain-old Wings ones.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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5 November 2012 - 9.26pm

Denny Laine is one of the many musicians on the Tug Of War album, tho i have no idea which ones he is one (tho wiki has him playing bass on Wanderlust).

Paul included tracks off McCartney on Wingspan (Maybe Im Amazed, Every Night, Junk, The Lovely Linda, Man We Was Lonely) so where does that take it to?
Tho the album is credited to Paul McCartney and not Paul McCartney and Wings.

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5 November 2012 - 11.37pm

"...I get the impression that he was more into Wings than The Beatles.  Such people exist!"

 

I once met someone so young, they hadn't ever heard of Wings, let alone the Beatles...

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6 November 2012 - 12.01am

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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Into the Sky with Diamonds
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6 November 2012 - 9.32pm

Meanmistermustard said, "Paul included tracks off McCartney on Wingspan (Maybe Im Amazed, Every Night, Junk, The Lovely Linda, Man We Was Lonely) so where does that take it to?"

 

Good point.

I suppose inclusion in the retrospective Wingspan doesn't tell us what was and wasn't Wings.

Then again, until this thread it didn't dawn on me that someone would care.

Is it fair to say McCartney doesn't either?

Everything in the 70s was perhaps part of a greater "wingspan" .... 

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6 November 2012 - 10.16pm

"Wingspan" didn't make any sense at all! (There were several hits on what was supposed to be the "History" disc.) Somebody must've just thought it was a clever-enough title.

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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6 November 2012 - 11.01pm

I loved the Wings period of McCartney's solo career. I still feel this is where he wrote his best songs as a solo artist. I have enjoyed some of the other songs that Denny Laine, Jimmy McCullough wrote as well. He was definitely on his game during this period. I remember Harrison saying once when someone asked him to play more Beatles songs, he said that if you want to hear the Beatles, listen to Wings.  

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6 November 2012 - 11.33pm

I find it strange that the Lovely Linda is on but Here Today is omitted. One of Pauls most poignant, heartfelt songs in his entire catalogue and it remains available only on Tug Of War, an album most non-Paul fans wont go anywhere near.

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6 November 2012 - 11.43pm

Inner Light said
 I remember Harrison saying once when someone asked him to play more Beatles songs, he said that if you want to hear the Beatles, listen to Wings.  

That's a very interesting quote- do you think it was meant as something of a putdown? (maybe too strong a word- instead, a comment on how Macca had not sought out musical evolution as much as the other Beatles since the split?)

meanmistermustard said
I find it strange that the Lovely Linda is on but Here Today is omitted. One of Pauls most poignant, heartfelt songs in his entire catalogue and it remains available only on Tug Of War, an album most non-Paul fans wont go anywhere near.

Very true, and I don't know why- I'd go so far as to say Tug Of War was Paul's last flash of brilliance before the nadir of the 80s, and a great statement as the crucial record proving his relevance in the new decade. There's some mediocre work on there, of course, and sadly the Martin-McCartney mix isn't as potent as it was in the 60s, but Tug Of War strikes me as far better than Wings' late-era albums.

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7 November 2012 - 12.33am

Can't remember the Lennon song, but early on (early 70s) he wrote a caustic retort aimed at Paul with a scathing line:

 

"Once you were Yesterday,

Now, you're just Another Day..."

 

(Personally, I like Another Day better than Yesterday; but then, I'm not a bitter ex-Beatle)

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7 November 2012 - 12.35am

Ben Ramon said

Inner Light said
 I remember Harrison saying once when someone asked him to play more Beatles songs, he said that if you want to hear the Beatles, listen to Wings.  

That's a very interesting quote- do you think it was meant as something of a putdown? (maybe too strong a word- instead, a comment on how Macca had not sought out musical evolution as much as the other Beatles since the split?)

meanmistermustard said
I find it strange that the Lovely Linda is on but Here Today is omitted. One of Pauls most poignant, heartfelt songs in his entire catalogue and it remains available only on Tug Of War, an album most non-Paul fans wont go anywhere near.

Very true, and I don't know why- I'd go so far as to say Tug Of War was Paul's last flash of brilliance before the nadir of the 80s, and a great statement as the crucial record proving his relevance in the new decade. There's some mediocre work on there, of course, and sadly the Martin-McCartney mix isn't as potent as it was in the 60s, but Tug Of War strikes me as far better than Wings' late-era albums.

I think Paul wanted to keep the Beatle thing going and even though Wings is not the Beatles, he continued with the feel good type of music. I think John and George wanted to move onto something totally different and not cling to the past.

 

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7 November 2012 - 9.15pm

That Harrison "If they want to hear the Beatles..." quote was a remark he made during his 1974 tour. A very perplexing remark, since Paul/Wings were'nt playing any Beatles tunes at all at the time! (Whereas George was playing "Something" and apparently "In My Life".)

One day, a tape-op got a tape on backwards, he went to play it, and it was all "Neeeradno-undowarrroom" and it was "Wow! Sounds Indian!"
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