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The 'Paul is dead' myth
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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said

{snip} And keep in mind that the human brain had a tendency to fill gaps. You may remember a thing one way, and this would be your actual memory, but it doesn't have to be what really happened. It doesn't make you a liar, and if doesn't mean you're rewriting history (something Paul is regularly accused of). It's just the way your brain stored that event. So, maybe that's just how Paul recalls it. {snip}

Wow, this is so good @Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^<!  Very insightful, and this simple precept explains so many seeming inconsistencies in memory and history. I used to be in the business of asking people to recount experiences from memory, and you don’t have to do too much of that to realize that people can build their own fiction which becomes a rock solid truth for them, even though it is inaccurate. They could even pass a lie detector test on these fake memories, because, to them, they are true. 

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georgiewood said

Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said

{snip} And keep in mind that the human brain had a tendency to fill gaps. You may remember a thing one way, and this would be your actual memory, but it doesn't have to be what really happened. It doesn't make you a liar, and if doesn't mean you're rewriting history (something Paul is regularly accused of). It's just the way your brain stored that event. So, maybe that's just how Paul recalls it. {snip}

Wow, this is so good @Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^<!  Very insightful, and this simple precept explains so many seeming inconsistencies in memory and history. I used to be in the business of asking people to recount experiences from memory, and you don’t have to do too much of that to realize that people can build their own fiction which becomes a rock solid truth for them, even though it is inaccurate. They could even pass a lie detector test on these fake memories, because, to them, they are true.   

It is a truism; but it doesn't necessarily play out with all memories; as I said before on this thread in response to Mademoiselle Kitty:  

"...not all details of the past are of the same kind and quality. A running "trolling" gag like this would surely be far more memorable than one's choice of footwear on (admittedly) a famous day."

She then responded that Paul wouldn't want to admit this later on to interviewers because he would come off as arrogant.  I then said that --

"I don't perceive it this way; first of all pop/rock musicians are already known for being out of the norm, innovators, mavericks, at times devilish. Secondly, this kind of trolling gag, seems to me, would come off more as a feather in his cap, rather than some kind of shameful thing to have to avoid with circumlocutions and evasions and fibs. "Oh, those rascally Beatles, always up to their quirky shenanigans!"

Then she said Paul isn't in the same category as other pop/rock musicians, which to me seems like she's presuming that the lark is/may be/could be a move of "arrogance" on Paul's part.  My response (above georgiewood's, last one on p. 48) was that there's no necessity to assume such a lark had to be motivated by arrogance or ego; it could have been a fun thing all the Beatles were agreeing to.  For one thing, if all these shows of Paul's distinction contrasted to the other Beatles (unique poses of Paul relative to the other Beatles on album covers, the black carnation in MMT, etc.) were mostly or entirely some project of Paul's to assert his ego over the others, surely they would have resented that. And how does that work, exactly? Does Paul just order everyone around and say, "We're going to do the covers like this -- and it will feature ME in special ways unlike YOU THREE..." That seems unlikely. 

So if there was a long-running lark or gag (not ego-related, just fun for fuck sake), then it would be more memorable years later.

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One of my favorite podcasts, Skeptoid, uploaded a ton of episodes to YouTube.  One of the episodes uploaded was one that goes into the history of Paul is dead and explains why it's nonsense.  It doesn't go into the visual clues much, since it is a podcast, after all, and it tries to give an overview that'll fit into the podcast's fifteen-minute format, but it's a pretty good brief overview about the theory from a skeptical point of view.

 

Just stay the hell away from the comments section, it's full of believers.

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One of my friends has a brother who makes movies about conspiracies. His next one is going to be about how Paul McCartney never died. What happened instead is he became Jeff Lynne and the current Paul McCartney is a fake.

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Expert Textpert said
One of my friends has a brother who makes movies about conspiracies. His next one is going to be about how Paul McCartney never died. What happened instead is he became Jeff Lynne and the current Paul McCartney is a fake.  

That’s the best one I’ve heard yet. I don’t know if I’ve mentioned this on here before but I saw a “Paul McCartney tribute Something or Other” in the YouTube and immediately thought, IF HE WERE ALUVE WHY WOULD HE NEED A TRIBUTE HUH?!?! All this stuff is really getting to me. ahdn_paul_06

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Lol!

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Paul is dead....

....set on living a good life.

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Russ Gibb has died. https://www.detroitnews.com/st.....644888002/

  

Very informative, thanks for that. 

I think the while thing might have been karmic Wayne County retribution for Paul's 1964 campaign to stamp out Detroit.

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Of course, were we to acronym it, it'd be RiD!!! ahdn_john_08_gif What we all wish we were of PiD...

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Hahaha! I have only recently started posting again on here, and remember the lengthy discussions we had on this thread. I'm glad it's still here,as obviously the PID thing is a load of rubbish,but yet still a great topic for conversation and debate,as we have proved in this thread paul-mccartney-thumb_gif.

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Started listening to the Beatles Anthology Revisited episode which covers the issue brilliantly (October '69 to April '70); the reactions from the four Beatles are brilliant and the inclusion of the DJ going thru some of the clues is fascinating.

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