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The 'Paul is dead' myth
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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
Well, 'hot' obviously means something else to an Englishman than say, an Australian or an American (which, being a Scouser, you ought to know). It was approximately 25 degrees Celsius on the day of the Abbey Road photo shoot. That is, at the hottest time of day, which would have been 2-3 hours after the actual shoot. Also, you can tell there was a breeze, so it can't have been more than 20-22 Celsius when they took the photos. I have tested the theory last summer on a slightly warmer day than that August in 1969 and the asphalt was tepid. So, there goes the PID theory that it's impossible to walk barefooted on the road.

There are several possible explanations for it. Paul did wear his sandals the first few times they crossed. Maybe it was decided they looked too out of place. Maybe he thought it would look cool. Maybe he never even thought about it (according to Peter Asher, Paul would take his shoes off whenever he got the chance). There's a good chance the whole 'it was hot' explanation was just to give an answer and be done with it, just like he's made up that 'full moon' story to explain why he came off his moped in 1965. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't remember what really happened in either of those instances. Or maybe he'd rather not say.

Maybe he's telling the truth when he blames the heat. Let's not forget that out of the four, Paul always sweat more profusely than the others. You can clearly see it pouring down his face at concerts, when the others were only just getting flustered. So, it's entirely plausible he had sweaty feet. I personally hate it when I wear flip flops and my feet begin to sweat. It makes me constantly feel as if they're going to fly off at the next step. Not to mention the irritation between my toes... I'm not saying that's absolutely what happened. I just think people are focusing way too much on irrelevant things.  

Thanks for this. I didn't realize the temperature,or the fact that he originally wore the flip flops. I agree with you on the 'just to give an answer' thing. I always remember a quote from famous Beatles biographer Philip Norman,in which he's talking to a reporter, and he said that "Paul won't tell you" (not about this subject by the way, just a general thing). When asked why Paul won't say,Norman claims that it was because Paul has a habit of 'rewriting history'. This would tie in with your 'just to give an answer' comment. I imagine he must get bored answering the same thing over and over,so probably likes to embellish on things,or maybe he just remembers a certain incident that he hadn't remembered the previous time etc. That quote from Norman always sticks in my mind though.  Good point on how much he sweats too. I didn't think of that paul-mccartney-thumb_gif

 

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P.S. the MMT cover isn't much of a mystery at all. It's Paul on the left. You can tell by the black trousers and the fact that his watch is on his right wrist. George is in the middle, Ringo on the right (orange trousers), and it's John in the walrus suit. I heard it said recently that the walrus supposedly is a death symbol in some cultures (they mentioned Dutch culture as an example). Well, I am Dutch and NO FUCKING WAY is the walrus a symbol of anything here. It isn't a death symbol anywhere! But, as we established before, PID is never deterred by that. It's true because they say it is, and that's enough for them...

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Thanks for clarifying who is who on the cover. I knew Ringo was on the right,but wasn't sure on the rest (I know Ringo is wearing John's glasses,but I doubt the boys would have swapped trousers, I think that's going too far lola-hard-days-night-george-10).

 

Yeah,I've heard about the walrus being a death symbol in some countries,but I really didn't know enough about the origins of that (or lack thereof) to make any comment either way on that.

 

What I have read though:

Both Rubber Soul and Glass Onion are another way of saying 'coffin' (Rubber Soul was released in England in '65, Paul supposedly died in '66,so that puts an end to that theory).

Goo goo,g'joob was apparently the last thing Humpty Dumpty said before he fell off the wall in the nursery rhyme and cracked open (links in with the 'head injury' theory, and also would maybe explain the 'I am the Eggman' lyric from I Am The Walrus : source - The Walrus Was Paul by R Gary Patterson,a US book about PID)

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I'd be interested in citations about Rubber Soul and Glass Onion being synonyms for coffin.

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@Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^<:

 

There's a claim on this page that Glass Onion means a slang term for a monocle. ' it is also said that a Glass Onion is used to describe a coffin with a glass top,or looking panel,but it is actually a term for a monocle. The lyrics Looking Through a Glass Onion suggest that Paul would have been buried in such a coffin'. It does also say that it's unlikely that the song was written in response to the rumours though,as obviously the White Album was released before Abbey Road , and the rumour started in '69:

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Trouble is, though, that the only reference to a Glass Onion bring a glass topped coffin appears to be urbandictionary, which is a site where anyone can add their preferred definitions. The only somewhat reliable examples of glass onions are:

(liquor) bottles used on ships in the  olden days

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A type of lamp shade

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And this type of Christmas bauble

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I did find find one example of a cabinet knob, but no reference to any kind of funeral related object whatsoever. Seems to me like it's just another PID fabrication.

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Oh dear! I don't want it to look like I'm chasing you around the forum and correcting you, @Father McKenzie, but this discussion has been had before, probably in the Glass Onion thread.

A Glass Onion is actually a type of bottle used on sailing ships for wine or brandy. They had wide flat bottoms to give them increased stability, meaning they looked a bit like an onion:

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@Ron Nasty: haha, no worries whatsoever. You have amazing knowledge on the band, and I value your opinion. Cheers! paul-mccartney-thumb_gif (thanks to @Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< too)

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I had heard about that "BEATLiES" clue, yes.  And LOL that's a first...  he never existed! I'll scurry off and watch that one in a minute.

 

And yeah, I've always said it's no mystery who's wearing what animal costume on MMT, look at the PANTS! LOL  And Mmle. Kitty is right, there is NOTHING corroborating that the walrus is a symbol of death in any culture that I've ever seen. Correct me if I'm wrong, send a citation.

Again I discount any "clues" from Rubber Soul (that one was that they're looking down into a freshly dug grave) because as I said how could they possibly have "clues" to the "demise" of Paul McCartney on an album that came out in '65 when he didn't "die" until late November '66? Same goes for "HELP!".

I've read "The Walrus Was Paul" but it's been awhile. I also read "Turn Me On, Dead Man" by Andru Reeve. Again though It's been awhile. I'd never before reading Patterson's book heard that about "goo goo g'joob". Exactly my thought, that author or someone else he'd heard say it gave that little clue to go with the "I am the egg man" line.  I'd always just thought it was a nonsense phrase John made up to fit the whole Lewis Carroll like imagery of the song.

And there are photos from the Abbey Road cover shoot, and Paul is clearly wearing leather slip on sandals. Again Mmle. Kitty clarifies all that, even as far as the temperature, not hot enough to be uncomfortable walking on the asphalt in bare feet.

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Oh dear! I don't want it to look like I'm chasing you around the forum and correcting you, @Father McKenzie, but this discussion has been had before, probably in the Glass Onion thread.

A Glass Onion is actually a type of bottle used on sailing ships for wine or brandy. They had wide flat bottoms to give them increased stability, meaning they looked a bit like an onion:

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Wow! And yep, those LOOK like Onions! LOL! I'd always heard they were a glass top casket and this makes much more sense.

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@Mademoiselle Kitty said:

"Paul, it would seem, always had the most obvious tendency to stand out. Everyone looks away from the camera? Paul looks straight at it. Everyone is slouching? He's standing up straight. Let's face it: he's always been an attention whore... paul-mccartneySo, with that in mind, it starts to make perfect sense that he'd distinguish himself by wearing an unusual flower, or taking his shoes off..."

If that's the case, why didn't he say that when asked? Instead of saying, "they ran out of red carnations"? Or "I took off my sandals because it was hot"?  Also, I recall another story, either Paul or Linda, saying he arrived that day barefoot already). Plus we have all those other photo shoots with him wearing different shoes for the same pic.  I can understand someone not remembering random details from years ago; but if it was a "thing" for him to do oddball things like that, then it would be more likely he would remember that.  Or how about this -- he could answer, "Gee I can't remember why I did that..."

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"@Pineapple Records yeah,I posted that 2nd video so you could compare his mannerisms etc from the 'Pepper' era Paul video at the top. This video went a bit grainy though,which is a shame. "

I appreciate you taking the trouble. That second video has differences that kind of get in the way of doing a good comparison: frequent interruptions, poor sound quality, and they all looked remarkably tired (probably a hectic schedule); whereas the first 67 interview he looked calm, composed, with good sound quality and no interruptions.  He also had that goofy haircut and moustache, a marked change from all the years prior with that rounded "mop top" and baby face.

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@The Hippie Chick: Thanks for your replies. Let me know what you think of the video paul-mccartney-thumb_gif.   Yeah, I agree with everything in your post. The Rubber Soul thing is strange for obvious reasons, for one that he supposedly died after the album was released (Rubber - tires,Soul - Dead),but (to open up another can of worms, just for the hell of it) maybe he died before '66, and people got the date wrong? One funny thing I read was that John wanted to call the album Rubber Paul (!) but George dissuaded him. Anyway,as I said,Rubber Soul is a no go, and the 'no hat' thing from Help is probably a coincidence. As for MMT, yeah,I can't really add more to what has already been said on that. 

 

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If that's the case, why didn't he say that when asked? Instead of saying, "they ran out of red carnations"? Or "I took off my sandals because it was hot"?  Also, I recall another story, either Paul or Linda, saying he arrived that day barefoot already). Plus we have all those other photo shoots with him wearing different shoes for the same pic.  I can understand someone not remembering random details from years ago; but if it was a "thing" for him to do oddball things like that, then it would be more likely he would remember that.  Or how about this -- he could answer, "Gee I can't remember why I did that..."  

He definitely wasn't barefoot, since we have the photos taken before and during the photo shoot in which he's wearing those sandals. Just the one pair, not different ones as suggested.

As for why? Who knows? I can think of a few reasons, but whether they make any sense is a different matter. Saying 'dunno' isn't really an option. People would keep nagging him for an answer. The fans/media expect famous people to remember everything, and the PID clan certainly would take the lack of an explanation as a sign of guilt. If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd probably just give the answer which makes sense to me at the time, just to be done with it. And keep in mind that the human brain had a tendency to fill gaps. You may remember a thing one way, and this would be your actual memory, but it doesn't have to be what really happened. It doesn't make you a liar, and if doesn't mean you're rewriting history (something Paul is regularly accused of). It's just the way your brain stored that event. So, maybe that's just how Paul recalls it.

Another plausible explanation would be to salvage his reputation. Even now, Paul receives a lot of hatred, even from Beatles fans. It was much worse when these questions began to arise. If you were Paul in the seventies or eighties, would you say 'ah well, I was just trying to stand out, you know'? Imagine the amount of crap people would fling at him if he ever said anything like that. Besides, how many people admit to their human flaws? Isn't it entirely human to try and present ourselves in the best possible light? So, why fault Paul for not volunteering anything he knows would haunt him for the rest of his life?

I don't know, maybe I'm unreasonable for seeing the human side of things. It's certainly been suggested that people like me are too adamant in their defence of Paul. Maybe that's true but you know what? As long as those idiots are still out there (5% of Americans believe Paul is dead) and actively spreading lies about it, I'll be in the other corner, fighting them with facts, science, and understanding of the human psyche. Anyone who takes issue with that is welcome to kiss my fat arse a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
<snip>And keep in mind that the human brain had a tendency to fill gaps. You may remember a thing one way, and this would be your actual memory, but it doesn't have to be what really happened. It doesn't make you a liar, and if doesn't mean you're rewriting history (something Paul is regularly accused of). It's just the way your brain stored that event. So, maybe that's just how Paul recalls it.<snip>

Something I learned today applies here - remember back to, say, your first day of high school. You (most likely...) remember that, but you're actually remembering the last time you remembered it, not the actual first day of high school. So over the course of a few years (or decades in this case), a false memory will be created about something, and no one can point a finger at Paul for simply being human.

And that's the problem with this hoax - most of the 'clues' are simply from people picking up on things that are 'only human'. 
The other half of the clues are people fabricating clues where there aren't any. 

Ok, I've said my few words about this, I'm annoyed by thinking 5% of Americans think Paul is dead: I'll leave now!paul-mccartney-facepalm_gif

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Early Paul (1964)

 

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Later Paul (Faul?.....1968 - apparently,he was under the influence of cannabis here,I don't know for certain though a-hard-days-night-george-9):

 

 

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LOL those interviews side by side. It's the very same Paulie, not "Faulie". 

 

And yeah, he's baked in the second one. But hey, s'all good. Haha! a-hard-days-night-paul-8

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@Mademoiselle Kitty, thanks for your long and thoughtful reply.  One thing comes to mind:

I wrote previously:

"I can understand someone not remembering random details from years ago; but if it was a "thing" for him to do oddball things like that, then it would be more likely he would remember that"

One reason I raised this is that not all details of the past are of the same kind and quality.  A running "trolling" gag like this would surely be far more memorable than one's choice of footwear on (admittedly) a famous day.  Your response to this was that Paul wouldn't want to admit this later on to interviewers. I don't perceive it this way; first of all pop/rock musicians are already known for being out of the norm, innovators, mavericks, at times devilish. Secondly, this kind of trolling gag, seems to me, would come off more as a feather in his cap, rather than some kind of shameful thing to have to avoid with circumlocutions and evasions and fibs.  "Oh, those rascally Beatles, always up to their quirky shenanigans!"

Come on now: "They ran out of red flowers".  That's an insult to our intelligence!  I think Paul may still be trolling us...ahdn_paul_01

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Paul isn't the average pop/rock star though, is he? Many people still compare him to John. Many others perceive him as 'full of himself'. I can just hear what those who already think of Paul as arrogant would have to say if he did confess to trying to stand out. They'd completely ignore that the others did those things too and simply use it to slag Paul off again. 

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Well there are two implicit assumptions to Mademoiselle Kitty's argument -- that Paul cares that much what his detractors are going to say if he says something they don't like; and that the scenario we're talking about is specifically Paul doing these things back then in order to make himself stand out in a conceited or egotistical way. I don't think Paul is the type of person to worry what others would think (and some people will think ill of a person they don't like no matter what they say, anyway, the "damned if you do, damned if you don't" phenomenon). As for the second one it could be any number of permutations of that, for example, the other 3 Beatles didn't begrudge him for standing out in those subtle ways in terms of their photos & album covers (black carnation, standing in a different posture relative to them, etc.), but perhaps colluded with him because they found it an amusing lark -- not to mention that maybe it wasn't so much to make him seem better than the other 3, but just to break up the monolithic monotony of 4 Beatles all in a China doll row, so to say.  Or it could have been other reasons not based primarily (or at all) on some kind of arrogant purpose.

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