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The 'Paul is dead' myth
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Shortly before the mock trial that @Pineapple Records linked to, in November 1969, The Scaffold (Mike McGear, John Gorman and Roger McGough) were appearing at The Bitter End in New York City, when they received an invite to appear on The Mike Douglas Show. They were a little about the invitation for some reason, but were reassured when told they were having a "British Week".

When they get to the studio, they're introduced to Douglas Fairbanks Jr, which sets their minds a little more at ease. However, they do find it rather strange when they're asked to sit in the audience, but shrugged their shoulders and sat in the audience, thinking they had appeared on shows with some weird set-ups over the years.

The first segment of the show was with DF Jr, and at the beginning of the second segment (which is where the video starts, the audience were made aware of The Scaffold in the audience, drawing particular attention to Mike and the fact he's Paul's brother.

He then introduces the next guest, Christopher Glenn - a New York radio documentary maker who had just made a documentary about PiD. Glenn spends the second segment laying out the clues as they were then, while the third segment involved MD asking MM about his reaction to the rumours of his brother's demise.

It is an interesting watch, and it may be what you're remembering in your post above, @Father McKenzie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....b8Fk1_ELnE

In his 1982 book, Thank U Very Much - Mike McCartney's Family Album (issued in the States as The Macs - Mike McCartney's Family Album), Mike recalls his reaction to this event. He gets a lot of details wrong, presumably because he hadn't seen the show in a long time, but it does give an idea of his reaction to being tricked to get him on the show:

In November 1969 whilst the Scaffold were appearing at the tiny Bitter End Club in New York, we were asked to make a guest appearance on the Mike Douglas TV show. Being hypersensitive about the 'Beatle brother' tag (it being only a few years since their last live appearance in the States) the fact that we were to be part of yet another 'English Week' on the show placated us somewhat, and the further fact that it would be networked throughout America clinched the deal.

On the first class Parlor Car train from New York to Philadelphia the American public were their usual friendly selves and wished us (obvious foreigners) a pleasant trip to their country. Whilst we were propping up the bar, I scored top marks for spotting a citizen using a phone on the train. When we arrived at the TV station we were introduced to Douglas Fairbanks Jr. (ah, this must be English Week) and we were asked to take our seats in the audience! We'd done quite a few strange shows in our short showbiz lives but not many in the audience, but thought, like phones on trains, it must be an American custom.

Transmission time arrived and everyone waited expectantly, especially us, as no one had told us what we had to do. Mike Douglas and Doug Fairbanks talked a bit, fenced a bit, looked English a bit, and then introduced their next guest. .. a DJ from LA'Ah, he must be British,' we thought proudly.

At that time, the 'Paul is Dead' rumour was sweeping the States and getting enormous exposure. Now, settling into the guest chair a few feet away, was the disc jockey who'd actually started the whole rumour on his Los Angeles radio show.

He went through the whole con with Mike Douglas ... Paul's back to front on the Pepper album ... Paul's shoes are off on the Abbey Road cover ... Paul's this ... Paul's that ... all proving beyond a shadow of a Paul that Paul was definitely DEAD!!

Now certain things are like a red rag to a bull so when they'd stopped rabbitting on and Mike Douglas asked me for my comments (seeing as I was just passing, six thousand miles from home, and coincidentally happened to be Paul's brother) I pawed the ground a little, then charged.

I pointed out that apart from it being too silly to waste valuable air time for me, the Scaffold and the American public, it was also a gigantic, well-planned hoax, based on groundless innuendo and straight lies, but most of all how could you, Mr. LA DJ, condone, or live with, the precise moment in time when millions of young loving trusting teenagers heard that their biggest pop hero was ... dead! (It was as though the Kennedy and Martin Luther King murders were a hoax!)

There was a stunned silence. Showbiz was never like this, especially on a cosy afternoon, live, network telly to middle America.

Mike Douglas covered beautifully and we went straight into the commercials. Even I hadn't realised the impact I had caused until we were all halfway up the studio's narrow staircase and the numbed DJ suddenly came out of his coma. Turning around he spat down the stairs 'You f...ing b d, you call yourself a f...ing professional, you couldn't lick my ass, you f...ing B...' and various other expletives.

They dragged him up up and away from me, arms flailing, and that day I realised that I'll never be a really true professional because sometimes (just sometimes) there are more important things than 'professionalism'. I think they call it telling the truth. I wouldn't mind, but the cad wasn't even British.

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@Ron Nasty: Yes! That's the clip I remember watching. Thanks for the upload. I'm amazed Mike could sit and listen to that crap for so long before he eventually said something. I'm not sure the Americans really 'got' the Scouse sense of humour,but I remember chuckling as I was watching. Thanks for posting this

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His reaction reminded me very much of Paul's response to the press accusations that his confessing to having taken LSD was a bad influence on fans everywhere.

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Shortly before the mock trial that @Pineapple Records linked to, in November 1969, The Scaffold (Mike McGear, John Gorman and Roger McGough) were appearing at The Bitter End in New York City, when they received an invite to appear on The Mike Douglas Show...

He then introduces the next guest, Christopher Glenn - a New York radio documentary maker who had just made a documentary about PiD. Glenn spends the second segment laying out the clues as they were then, while the third segment involved MD asking MM about his reaction to the rumours of his brother's demise.

...In his 1982 book, Thank U Very Much - Mike McCartney's Family Album (issued in the States as The Macs - Mike McCartney's Family Album), Mike recalls his reaction to this event... 

 

The one quote from Mike McGear is interesting, about after the show when they were on the stairs leaving and apparently Christopher Glenn up (or down) ahead of them:

"Turning around he [Christopher Glenn] spat down the stairs 'You f...ing b d, you call yourself a f...ing professional, you couldn't lick my ass, you f...ing B...' and various other expletives.

They dragged him up up and away from me, arms flailing..."

First of all, Glenn wasn't from "LA" as McGear wrote -- he was born in New York City then pursued a career in Connecticut and Washington D.C.  Second, if you watch the YouTube of the show, he doesn't appear at all to be the type of person who would have that volatile, foul-mouthed reaction.  During the show, even after McGear leveled several cutting accusations at him directly, he remained unfazed, mature, courteous, with just-the-facts'ma'am delivery & demeanor (almost like a mild-mannered science nerd); nothing I could detect indicated he might have an unhinged temper.  The fact that Glenn went on not long after the show aired to begin a 45-year career as a newscaster for CBS News (during that time as anchor) also indicates he doesn't seem to be the type of person who would do that. The two Scaffold blokes (including McGear; the third didn't participate at all from what I could tell), on the other hand, did behave like they could do something like that, and could maybe even make up stuff or exaggerate details.  I suppose it is possible that Glenn did turn around on the stairs and reacted with some anger -- something like "How dare you attack me like that on the show!" -- but I highly doubt it was as McGear described it.

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I couldn't agree more that he got it wrong in the book, @Pineapple Records. I point that out. Probably a case of, however easy it is to get hold of almost anything within seconds now, I can imagine finding a copy of a 1969 US chat show to remind yourself of the event might have been quite hard back in '81/'82 when it was being written.

With the backstage, I think he may be remembering another backstage, and confabulating the two. They confabulate a lot, do these people. It's the drugs. Makes the memory a little hazy.

Now, what was I saying? Oh, yeah!

I couldn't agree more that he got it wrong in the book...

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Wow,I have never read Mike's book,so the 2 posts above are really interesting. I'll have to see if I can get a copy of it. 

 

I've read 2 books on PID: The Walrus Was Paul by R.Gary Patterson, and the Life And Death Of Paul McCartney by Nick Kollerstrom,the 2nd of which has been widely mocked and discredited by people online. I even saw a YouTube clip of a guy who went to a book signing and talk by Kollerstrom in a book shop in London,and he challenged Kollerstrom on a lot of things that he wrote about in the book,and he said Nick got very flustered, and basically bluffed his way through the rest of the event. The number of people who left comments underneath the video ran into the thousands too, and most of them were picking holes in Kollerstrom's research and claims. The book was published in 2015,so it's clear that there are people out there who still believe in PID

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Wow,I have never read Mike's book,so the 2 posts above are really interesting. I'll have to see if I can get a copy of it. 

 

I've read 2 books on PID: The Walrus Was Paul by R.Gary Patterson, and the Life And Death Of Paul McCartney by Nick Kollerstrom,the 2nd of which has been widely mocked and discredited by people online. I even saw a YouTube clip of a guy who went to a book signing and talk by Kollerstrom in a book shop in London,and he challenged Kollerstrom on a lot of things that he wrote about in the book,and he said Nick got very flustered, and basically bluffed his way through the rest of the event. The number of people who left comments underneath the video ran into the thousands too, and most of them were picking holes in Kollerstrom's research and claims. The book was published in 2015,so it's clear that there are people out there who still believe in PID  

Have you heard of that relatively new PID book, The Memoirs of Billy Shears, allegedly written by "Billy Shears" (aka "Faul") as "transmitted" by some other guy named Thomas E. Uharriet?

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Have you heard of that relatively new PID book, The Memoirs of Billy Shears, allegedly written by "Billy Shears" (aka "Faul") as "transmitted" by some other guy named Thomas E. Uharriet?  

Yes. It has 666 pages (the Devil's number) and is supposedly written in some kind of code. I haven't read it yet though. Apparently,one letter on each line is singled out,and when you join the letters up,it reveals a hidden message or something

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In a 1978 note accompanying a "butcher cover" album that was sent to a friend or acquaintance, John revealed that his original idea for the cover was to show Paul being decapitated. (John Lennon letters, page 348)

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 That's really interesting, and would link with the story that he was decapitated in a car crash.

I'll tell you what always freaked me out. Remember that scene in MMT of the headless torso on the projector screen,with the words NOWHERE BOY written on his chest? I read somewhere that that was actually Paul's body. Grisly and gory I know. Everytime I see that bit of the film,I get shivers down my spine

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Don't know if this has already been posted on this thread before, but I came across this article on the Alternate History Wikia a short time back, which has a rather gripping (well, IMO anywaysa-hard-days-night-paul-8) version of PID, with some interesting easter eggs thrown into this story:

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 That's really interesting, and would link with the story that he was decapitated in a car crash.

I'll tell you what always freaked me out. Remember that scene in MMT of the headless torso on the projector screen,with the words NOWHERE BOY written on his chest? I read somewhere that that was actually Paul's body. Grisly and gory I know. Everytime I see that bit of the film,I get shivers down my spine  

It's actually Mal Evans.

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It's actually Mal Evans.  

paul-mccartney-thumb_gif Really? Wow, thanks. It seriously creeps me out everytime I see it

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Mal Evans has become part of the PIDology; apparently he died in mysterious circumstances and had a tape or a manuscript that he wanted to get out, but it was "lost" after his death.

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Mal Evans has become part of the PIDology; apparently he died in mysterious circumstances and had a tape or a manuscript that he wanted to get out, but it was "lost" after his death.  

Yeah. He was shot by police officers because he pointed a gun at them. Really strange. Maybe he was under the influence of drugs at the time. Regardless, it's a tragic story. Didn't he also ring somebody, and basically said, if anything happens to me, make sure the manuscript gets out there?

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Yeah. He was shot by police officers because he pointed a gun at them. Really strange. Maybe he was under the influence of drugs at the time. Regardless, it's a tragic story. Didn't he also ring somebody, and basically said, if anything happens to me, make sure the manuscript gets out there?  

I'm not that knowledgeable about PIDology; I just browse through sometimes fascinated by their theories. It's kind of like staring into the abyss of an insane asylum...  With the logic of conspiracy theory, it doesn't matter what the official story is, since the nefarious powers that are "behind" the whole thing can create false narratives, etc.  There do seem to have been a few nutcases involved with the Beatles (e.g., Brian Epstein, Mal Evans). I continue to have a nagging feeling that there's some sordid skeleton or two the Beatles and their entourage have withheld from the public all these decades...

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I'm not that knowledgeable about PIDology; I just browse through sometimes fascinated by their theories. It's kind of like staring into the abyss of an insane asylum...  With the logic of conspiracy theory, it doesn't matter what the official story is, since the nefarious powers that are "behind" the whole thing can create false narratives, etc.  There do seem to have been a few nutcases involved with the Beatles (e.g., Brian Epstein, Mal Evans). I continue to have a nagging feeling that there's some sordid skeleton or two the Beatles and their entourage have withheld from the public all these decades...  

I agree with your last sentence. I have a feeling that some of that would probably have been included in Mal's book. I too am fascinated by the whole thing,even though I believe that he's (Paul,not Mal!) still alive.

 

If there are things that have been withheld from the public,I doubt that we'll ever hear about them now. I just don't see how it would be of any benefit to anyone associated with the Beatles to disclose that kind of information, and potentially open up a fair few cans of worms in the process. I just find it's fun to speculate, and it gives us something to talk about at the very least paul-mccartney-thumb_gif

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Something I really enjoy is half-believing in conspiracy theories, and this is one of them. Of course I know Paul is alive, but what if he weren't? I have a character (I write, if you didn't know) that believes in every theory, no matter how conflicting, and my main character kind of goes along with it just for the fun of it. I like looking at the "clues" and actually considering them until I start thinking that maybe they were onto something after all. It's kind of like reading (or writing) fiction. It's an escape from the real world.

 

Or is it? *suspenseful music plays*

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Something I really enjoy is half-believing in conspiracy theories, and this is one of them. Of course I know Paul is alive, but what if he weren't? I have a character (I write, if you didn't know) that believes in every theory, no matter how conflicting, and my main character kind of goes along with it just for the fun of it. I like looking at the "clues" and actually considering them until I start thinking that maybe they were onto something after all. It's kind of like reading (or writing) fiction. It's an escape from the real world.

 

Or is it? *suspenseful music plays*  

a-hard-days-night-paul-4ahdn_paul_02 Hahahaha,I love that. What kind of stuff do you write? Me personally, I think the Beatles laughed at all the rumours after a while,but deliberately left messages in the songs,clues on the album covers etc,to basically play along and have a bit of fun with it. The rumours also had a positive impact on their record sales as well, not that I imagine any of them were in any way struggling financially a-hard-days-night-george-10

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a-hard-days-night-paul-4ahdn_paul_02 Hahahaha,I love that. What kind of stuff do you write? Me personally, I think the Beatles laughed at all the rumours after a while,but deliberately left messages in the songs,clues on the album covers etc,to basically play along and have a bit of fun with it. The rumours also had a positive impact on their record sales as well, not that I imagine any of them were in any way struggling financially a-hard-days-night-george-10  

I write comedy screenplays about the life of hippies, mostly, and I totally agree that they played along with the theory, wouldn't you? If someone thought I was dead I'd just laugh and say "okie, sure". 

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