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The 'Paul is dead' myth
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22 May 2010
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Considering how hard it is for them to cast a Paul look alike in film, I would say not many.

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23 May 2010
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McLerristarr said:

Well, the Paul is Dead rumour started in 1969 I believe so it couldn’t be a deberate reference. If it is actually in there then it’s juts a pretty weird coincidence. Coincidence don’t prove anything though, especially not something as silly as someone being replaced by an exact double. I wonder how many Paul twins there are in Liverpool?


 

One of the earliest radio broadcasts about the hoax can be heard on my site. If you are really interested you can hear it. It’s about 20 minutes long. http://www.thebeatlesrarity.co…..l-is-dead/. There is also a somewhat interesting book disecting the hoax called The Walrus Was Paul that isn’t too hard to find. It’s amazing how many “so called” clues (actually hundreds!) are interpretted in the whole thing. a-hard-days-night-john-1

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McLerristarr said:

I wonder how many Paul twins there are in Liverpool?


 I wonder how many twins spawned by Paul are in Liverpool.a-hard-days-night-paul-8a-hard-days-night-paul-8

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I was going to say as much. There’s a little-known story about a girl whom Paul allegedly got pregnant in the early 60s, and was paid by NEMS to keep quiet. Here’s the entry from The Beatles Diary by Barry Miles (a friend of Paul’s and his biographer), about 10 July 1964, the Liverpool premiere of A Hard Day’s Night :

The only sour note to the day came from the uncle of Anita Cochrane, who plastered Liverpool with 30,000 leaflets recounting his niece’s affair with Paul and its outcome. Anita, an 18-year-old Beatles fan, discovered that she was pregnant after partying with Paul at Stuart Sutcliffe’s flat in Gambler Terrace. Unable to contact him by registered letters and telegrams, she eventually retained a lawyer who threatened legal action. Allegedly, it was only then that NEMS responded, offering her £5 a week maintenance. Brian Epstein is said to have intervened personally and offered £5,000 in exchange for renouncing all claims on Paul (published figures vary depending on source). The agreement said that Anita must never bring Paul to court or say or imply that he was the father of her child, Philip Paul Cochrane, nor must she ever reveal the terms of the agreement. All seemed to be well until today’s civic reception for The Beatles when her outraged uncle intervened.

I think it was not uncommon for Epstein to have to do step in for some damage limitation while The Beatles were on tour. Those boys put it around quite a bit, and girls are said to have fallen pregnant on a number of occasions. Keeping it quiet would never be an option these days, with the mass media, tabloid press and rolling news channels.

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He’s now said to be known as Philip Howarth: http://findarticles.com/p/news…..ntent;col1

Interesting interview/article here: http://sentstarr.tripod.com/be…..anita.html

More: http://sentstarr.tripod.com/be…../girl.html

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24 May 2010
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Interesting stuff….but not that surprising when you think about it.

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Not at all. In her book Cynthia Lennon says she and John never used any contraception* – never even discussed it until she fell pregnant with Julian. The impression I get is that they screwed their way across the world from 1963-66.

*Kids, don’t do this.

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I noticed another PID reference in Come Together . The part where John says “one and one and one is three” might be a reference to Paul missing. Also, the part where he says “So good looking because he’s so hard to see” or something like that, can’t remember.

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MrBig said:

I noticed another PID reference in Come Together . The part where John says “one and one and one is three” might be a reference to Paul missing. Also, the part where he says “So good looking because he's so hard to see” or something like that, can't remember.


 

Those are references to John not showing up to the studio near the end, as in he didn't care much about music, and he was kind of annoying the other bands members. “One and one and one is three”, John isn't there, and “…he's so hard to see”, they can't see him, he's not there. Each verse has to do with a beatles member.

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17 June 2010
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Really? What verse was about George?

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I believe it's the first one, because it says “He come grooving up slowly”, referring to his writing ability, saying it too sometime to get reconize as a great song writer.

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17 June 2010
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HammerDealer said:


 

Those are references to John not showing up to the studio near the end, as in he didn’t care much about music, and he was kind of annoying the other bands members. “One and one and one is three”, John isn’t there, and “…he’s so hard to see”, they can’t see him, he’s not there. Each verse has to do with a beatles member.


 That’s the first I am hearing this. You may want to check this out.

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Well you know, this isn't official, this is simply my view on it, and to be honest, it seems perfectly accrute, but I made a mistake I believe the verse we were talking about was actually about George, and the one before George's were it mentions, “Hold him in your armchair you can feel his diease” is actually the one about John, the first being about Ringo, and the final verse is obviously Paul.

 

Sorry, about the mistake, it's what I thought at first, but than I relized “hey, that can't be right”. a-hard-days-night-george-9

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17 June 2010
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No apologies needed my fellow Fab-o-phile.

Interpreting Beatles songs is a blast. It's what you want it to be…a-hard-days-night-paul-7

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17 June 2010
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At the end of Strawberry Fields Forever John says “Cranberry Sauce”… He makes it sound like he is saying “I burried Paul”. But im sure everyone knew of this already.a-hard-days-night-john-3

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kingjjj8 said:

At the end of Strawberry Fields Forever John says “Cranberry Sauce”… He makes it sound like he is saying “I burried Paul”. But im sure everyone knew of this already.a-hard-days-night-john-3


Yeah, we did. But don't worry, I thought nobody on this forum knew who George Harrison is…

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George Harrison … ?

 

Never heard of him.

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Actually everybody but Paul is dead.

http://udel.edu/~mm/beatles/pa…..Lives.html

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c64wood said:

Actually everybody but Paul is dead.

http://udel.edu/~mm/beatles/pa…..Lives.html


 

Thanks for this, it's very fun to read through.

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Hey, I just learned that the day Paul “died” – 9 November, 1966 – is the day my parents were married!

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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