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The 'Paul is dead' myth
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Maccadamia is a community of persons and self-described intellectuals collectively engaged in researching and presenting misinformation in the perpetuation of a conspiracy theory that Paul McCartney died in 1966.

An appropriate title, don't you think?

“Send John out first; he’s the one they want.”

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Maccadamia is a community of persons and self-described intellectuals collectively engaged in researching and presenting misinformation in the perpetuation of a conspiracy theory that Paul McCartney died in 1966.

An appropriate title, don't you think?

:lol: That's funny!

 

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I love reading about all of the PID "clues", at least the "good" ones. It's amusing that it still persists to this day.

One day I was in a coffee shop discussing the "conspiracy" with some guy (who either believed it, or thought he was terribly clever). He showed me some of the clues (most of which I was familiar with at that point), and I told him he had it all wrong. Paul didn't die. Ringo died, was replaced with a doube, and Paul decided to take all the credit for it. He showed me the 1 ONE 1 X HE <> DIE "clue" with the "arrow" pointing to Paul. I pointed out that it's not really an arrow. It looks more like a diamond. And what do you put diamonds in? Rings - the trademark of Ringo. Plus Ringo's wax figure on the Sgt. Peppers cover looks like it's mourning somebody (another "clue" he had pointed out). Clearly Ringo tragically passed away and the band hired look-alike Billy Shears as their new drummer. They even went so far as to change the name of the band and clearly introduce their new drummer in the title track of that album. Before releasing it, though, they realized that they'd be crazy to give up releasing material as The Beatles, and Paul pitched the concept album idea at the last minute (creating a piece of rock n' roll history in the process), since they didn't have time to re-record the album. He then started the rumour that HE had died and was replaced because it kept his name in the papers - thus helping to pioneer viral marketing.

Later on I found out that others had tried to start a Ringo Is Dead conspiracy so I dropped it. a-hard-days-night-ringo-4

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I love reading about all of the PID "clues", at least the "good" ones. It's amusing that it still persists to this day.

One day I was in a coffee shop discussing the "conspiracy" with some guy (who either believed it, or thought he was terribly clever). He showed me some of the clues (most of which I was familiar with at that point), and I told him he had it all wrong. Paul didn't die. Ringo died, was replaced with a doube, and Paul decided to take all the credit for it. He showed me the 1 ONE 1 X HE <> DIE "clue" with the "arrow" pointing to Paul. I pointed out that it's not really an arrow. It looks more like a diamond. And what do you put diamonds in? Rings - the trademark of Ringo. Plus Ringo's wax figure on the Sgt. Peppers cover looks like it's mourning somebody (another "clue" he had pointed out). Clearly Ringo tragically passed away and the band hired look-alike Billy Shears as their new drummer. They even went so far as to change the name of the band and clearly introduce their new drummer in the title track of that album. Before releasing it, though, they realized that they'd be crazy to give up releasing material as The Beatles, and Paul pitched the concept album idea at the last minute (creating a piece of rock n' roll history in the process), since they didn't have time to re-record the album. He then started the rumour that HE had died and was replaced because it kept his name in the papers - thus helping to pioneer viral marketing.

Later on I found out that others had tried to start a Ringo Is Dead conspiracy so I dropped it. a-hard-days-night-ringo-4

And John, George and everyone else involved went along with Paul's ego-trip of deceit just for the hell of it? ahdn_paul_01

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22 February 2014
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^ I try not to over think things when I'm spewing ridiculous misinformation to debunk ridiculous misinformation. Both stories have holes. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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I obviously dont believe Paul is dead, but it is really pretty interesting. I watched the Winged Beatle last night (it was stupid but compiled all the "facts") and researched some more, and it brought up other interesting points that don't lead to Paul's death. For example, the design on the base drum is credited to Joe Ephgrave, I haven't been able to find any info on him, so who is he, and if he didn't exist, why was it credited to that name?

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I obviously dont believe Paul is dead, but it is really pretty interesting. I watched the Winged Beatle last night (it was stupid but compiled all the "facts") and researched some more, and it brought up other interesting points that don't lead to Paul's death. For example, the design on the base drum is credited to Joe Ephgrave, I haven't been able to find any info on him, so who is he, and if he didn't exist, why was it credited to that name?

Here you go, http://wikibin.org/articles/jo.....grave.html. No picture or anything, though.

 

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Mr. Kite said
I obviously dont believe Paul is dead, but it is really pretty interesting. I watched the Winged Beatle last night (it was stupid but compiled all the "facts") and researched some more, and it brought up other interesting points that don't lead to Paul's death. For example, the design on the base drum is credited to Joe Ephgrave, I haven't been able to find any info on him, so who is he, and if he didn't exist, why was it credited to that name?

Here you go, http://wikibin.org/articles/jo.....grave.html. No picture or anything, though.

  

Thanks for the link... See it's interesting that there's not much info on him and the only thing he's credited for even though he was 'well-known' at the time, was Sgt Pepper

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 That's always confused me. This mysterious person (who was apparently well known at the time) designed one of the most iconic images in the history of music and there's not so much as an interview, photo, blurb in a fan zine, etc. You'd think someone would have tracked him down (or his last known whereabouts if he's no longer alive) by now. I still like to think it was a pseudonym, just not with the spin that the PID believers put on it.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 That's always confused me. This mysterious person (who was apparently well known at the time) designed one of the most iconic images in the history of music and there's not so much as an interview, photo, blurb in a fan zine, etc. You'd think someone would have tracked him down (or his last known whereabouts if he's no longer alive) by now. I still like to think it was a pseudonym, just not with the spin that the PID believers put on it.

That's what I think too, I'm just curious as to who's pseudonym, and why?

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This isn't the answer I'm looking for as it is to support the Paul is dead theory, but it's an interesting explanation of why it might be that name that I found here: http://60if.proboards.com/thread/1938.

To sum it up...

Joe Ephgrave = Joseph Ephgrave = Jo s (eph) (Eph) grave =  J o (s) F F grave

If we assign each letter a number (a=1, b=2, etc) it is - 10 o' (S) 66 Grave

 

10 o' (S) 66 Grave = 10th of September '66 Grave

I don't think that's when the PID nuts said he died but it's an interesting idea...

 

I still however want to find out the real story behind Joe Ephgrave...

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Paul supposedly died in November '66. I have a Paul is Dead book upstairs, i'll take a toddle and dig it out in the next 20 mins to see what it says, if anything, about this Joe Ephgrave.

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Paul supposedly died in November '66. I have a Paul is Dead book upstairs, i'll take a toddle and dig it out in the next 20 mins to see what it says, if anything, about this Joe Ephgrave.

Thanks MMM!

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My book has vanished. It had been stored in a box for years and a few months ago i unpacked the boxes and put them on shelves, its not there. Maybe i burned it.

Found it in a google search however, not sure if the pictures will load or not tho.

Anyway scavenged around the net and found a few things (apologies if any of this has been posted above), i'm not posting it as fact just that it is out there. There is so much rubbish out there, even links to Bible scripture and how that backs up Paul is dead. My head hurts.a-hard-days-night-ringo-14a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

 

From the swedish wiki

 

Joe Ephgrave purported to be an artist who designed The Beatles 'drum at the center on the front of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -cover. The cover was designed by Peter Blake and Paul McCartney . Later it turned out that someone Joe Ephgrave never existed and why the Beatles claimed this is not known.

 

A forum thread supposedly with an answer, even posts pictures to back up the claim.

This site claims Joe was a circus artist: "the final touch was a drum head with a fictitious band logo painted by a circus artist named Joe Ephgrave".

 

If anyone wants to read it here is yet another theory book The Fifth Magician: The Great Beatles Impostor Theory

 

 

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My book has vanished. It had been stored in a box for years and a few months ago i unpacked the boxes and put them on shelves, its not there. Maybe i burned it.

Found it in a google search however, not sure if the pictures will load or not tho.

Anyway scavenged around the net and found a few things (apologies if any of this has been posted above), i'm not posting it as fact just that it is out there. There is so much rubbish out there, even links to Bible scripture and how that backs up Paul is dead. My head hurts.a-hard-days-night-ringo-14a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

 

From the swedish wiki

 

Joe Ephgrave purported to be an artist who designed The Beatles 'drum at the center on the front of Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -cover. The cover was designed by Peter Blake and Paul McCartney . Later it turned out that someone Joe Ephgrave never existed and why the Beatles claimed this is not known.

 

A forum thread supposedly with an answer, even posts pictures to back up the claim.

This site claims Joe was a circus artist: "the final touch was a drum head with a fictitious band logo painted by a circus artist named Joe Ephgrave".

 

If anyone wants to read it here is yet another theory book The Fifth Magician: The Great Beatles Impostor Theory

 

I felt like it was designed by a Beatle for some reason.

It just hit me.... I think I know why they made up Joe... Who would be better to make a fake band logo for a fake band than a fake person? It fits into the whole idea Paul had for Pepper!

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That's madness. I'd never heard of Joe Ephgrave before. I wonder how these rumours take hold.

I have a book about Robert Fraser which has quite a bit of info on the Sgt Pepper design, including interviews with Peter Blake and Jann Haworth. JH says the following, though doesn't mention who actually painted the drum skins:

"The part that's very much my own was that I always hated lettering on things. I loved the idea that lettering could be an integral part, and I was into fairground lettering at the time. So I thought it would be nice to have a real object with lettering on it, instead of lettering the cover. So I thought about the drum, then about the civic lettering that was around at that time. We pointed out to Paul the Hammersmith lettering: You could do it like that."

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I wonder if it might not have been The Fool, uncredited because the design was not theirs.

They were certainly involved with The Beatles by this time as they designed the inner sleeve for Pepper (and a rejected front cover). Also, working with drum skins was not a problem as they did Ginger Baker's 1967 drum kit.

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funny, though, that they play with those clues even on the anthology ... in both "Free As A Bird" and "Real Love" you are reminded of the myth, maybe only if you're familiar with it. in "Real Love" you see paul play the guitar right handed and in "Free As A Bird" you see the car crash and maybe some more things. the crash returns on the "love" album. --- so someone [whoever a-hard-days-night-george-10] must be putting those there on purpose. it's fun though and keeps the legend alive. and, of course still helps sell records. ...

some of those PIDers, though, go way too far, they are really mean - not only to paul [who to them isn't paul], but also to everyone who has a more sane viewpoint. i don't know what planet they're living on. they must be deaf as well as blind. or easily deceived. those are the real sheeple. :) i just love how paul reacts to those questions, it must be the 2nd most annyoing thing right after "are the beatles getting back together?"

 

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Maybe he finds it quite amusing as well, though? And flattered. Flattered either that people take this much interest in him, or that they think he's even more talented than the ''real'' Paul McCartney.

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Isn't the car crash in the FAAB video a reference to A Day In The Life? Maybe there are two or Paul's lying underneath that one.

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