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Miscellaneous questions about Paul McCartney
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When you mention Pop music, you have to include all popular music.

When I was a teenager in the mid-70’s, my world was nothing but rock.  I couldn’t have cared less about pop music, with the likes of the aforementioned Bee Gees or Peaches & Herb or any of the bands mentioned in the previous posts.  Even acts like The Doobie Brothers were off the radar.

And toward the end of the decade, my stance was solidified by the rise of Disco.

So all I was aware of in my little world was rock.  Back then, if you had asked me who was the biggest artist in music, I would have given a laughable answer.

Billboard’s Archive can provide a picture of what was popular in a given year in the U.S.

Wikipedia’s article on best selling albums in the U.S. by decade can help, too.

(realize these are U.S.-centric.  Just hoping to add perspective)

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Hey does anyone know of an instance of Paul commenting on Otis Redding. The baselines of Otis original Respect from ’65 and Drive My Car are almost identical. Extremely similar musically. I know George Harrison said Respect was a big influence on Drive My Car . Also their are similarities between the rhythm and horns between Pauls Call Me Back Again and Otis’s I’ve Been Loving You Too Long. I was just wondering if he mentioned him as a influence, I know they were fans and attended one of Otis’s UK tour dates. I also think the whistling on the end of Two Of Us was influenced by the whistling on (Sittin on) The Dock of The Bay. Just thought it strange that Otis is never really cited as a proper influence like Dylan even though he influenced them so much they considered recording at Stax Records Otis’s label. 

Edit: whoops havent been on the Drive My Car page in a while saw they cite Otis and the bassline. Was still curious if McCartney ever mentioned him due to the similarities of Call Me Back Again and Loving You Too Long. 

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I now fully understand everything !

What a lofty achievement. Congratulations.

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George would be so proud.

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If Paul is offended at people saying John is the avant garde one because Paul was making sound collages before him, then where are the recordings? John did Two Virgins . George did Electronic Sound . All we have from Paul during this period is melodic stuff like The Long And Winding Road .

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The tape loops in “Tomorrow Never Knows ” are McCartney’s.

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Wasn’t Paul also the driving force behind the concept of ‘Carnival Of Light ‘? Paul was certainly in with the avant garde crowd during the mid-60’s when John was at home with Cyn and Julian.

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I doubt whether Paul considers his experimental soundtracks to his experimental home movies to be fully realised compositions, but more playing with what sound could be, and how it could be manipulated. It certainly wasn’t uncommon for him to turn up at the studio with bits and pieces he’d created on his Brennell. The tape loops on Tomorrow Never Knows  were certainly his idea, as @Into the Sky with Diamonds says, though they were not all his.

He showed the others how to make them, and they all came up with some over a few days (around 30 in all, of which 16 were selected as possibilities by George Martin).

As @meanmistermustard says, Paul was much more aware of what was happening on the arts scene in London at the time, partly because he was living in London while the others were all out in the suburbs, and partly because of Jane and the Ashers, who were very well connected. It gave him an access they just didn’t have.

Remember, the first Beatle Yoko contacted was Paul, and a large part of the reason for that was because of the circles Paul was moving in at that time.

Another example of Paul bringing ideas inspired by the avant garde scene in London into the studio is the orchestra crescendos in A Day In The Life . Nobody knew how they were going to fill those bars until Paul came up with the idea, and when you look at the film of the overdub session, you can see how involved Paul is in it, while the others seem more interested in socialising with the famous friends they’d invited along to witness the event.

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Expert Textpert said

If Paul is offended at people saying John is the avant garde one because Paul was making sound collages before him, then where are the recordings? John did Two Virgins . George did Electronic Sound . All we have from Paul during this period is melodic stuff like The Long And Winding Road .

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I doubt whether Paul considers his experimental soundtracks to his experimental home movies to be fully realised compositions, but more playing with what sound could be, and how it could be manipulated.

Right. For reasons that are his own, he did not feel the need to put them on an album. I believe it was in Many Years From Now that I read where he simply played them for friends.

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Another interesting question it throws up is, what does it say about Paul’s songwriting at the time that his most adventurous musical ideas are being contributed to John or mainly-John compositions?

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Ron Nasty said
Another interesting question it throws up is, what does it say about Paul’s songwriting at the time that his most adventurous musical ideas are being contributed to John or mainly-John compositions?

It’s just an idea, but maybe the answer lies in the kind of relationship they had as composers.

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I think it has mostly to do with Lennonite perpetuation.

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Expert Textpert said
If Paul is offended at people saying John is the avant garde one because Paul was making sound collages before him, then where are the recordings? John did Two Virgins . George did Electronic Sound . All we have from Paul during this period is melodic stuff like The Long And Winding Road .

That’s a really good point! I think he did once say that he was going to put an album out in 1968 called ‘Paul McCartney ‘s gone too far!’ With a load of a avante garde material, but decided against it.

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I found some other posts about Paul playing a right-handed guitar on ’20 Flight Rock’.  Don’t know what that is yet, but there was some dispute over whether it was stringed right or left handed.  I found this picture of Paul with a right-handed guitar at Rishikesh in the depths of youtube.  It looks to me like it’s strung rightie.  Any idea of what Paul generally did when there was only a rightie around?

PS – Doesn’t John look suspiciously like @Zig in that pic?

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Matt Busby said

PS – Doesn’t John look suspiciously like Zig in that pic?

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So Paul is often cited for his public gaffs in the face of terrible news, most notably his statement about money when he learned of his mother’s passing, and -of course- the now-infamous reply when told of Lennon’s death.  Personally, I think some people aren’t equipped to handle sudden, shocking news as well as some others and Paul is probably one.  But here’s one I wasn’t familiar with, until today.

Now, I came across this tidbit of information:

Jim McCartney, father of former Beatle Paul McCartney , died at his home in the Norfolk village of Gayton at the age of 73. Paul was just about to kick off a European tour in Copenhagen with Wings and chose not to attend the funeral. A falling out with Jim’s wife Angie and Paul’s step-sister Ruth soon followed.

I paid a slow burn reading that, because I know of the closeness Paul had with his father.  The part about having a falling out with Angie McCartney seemed logical.  Still, I did another search and came up with this bit:

When his dad, Jim McCartney, died on March 18, 1976, Wings was on the European leg of their world tour and, in a troubled frame of mind, Paul was advised not to come for his dad’s funeral by his step-mom, saying that if he’ll throw everything away and come up to Liverpool for the funeral, it’ll all be just a circus and definitely wont bring his dad back. Paul then realized all the media and people that’ll ruin his dad’s solemn moment, that he decided that what his step-mom had said makes sense after all.  So he went on with the tour where they held their first performance for that year in Copenhagen, Denmark.  Paul never saw his dad again, even for the very last time.

Surprisingly, there’s very little out there on this.  So was there a falling-out?  Did she (Angie) suggest Paul not return and then get upset when he didn’t?

Odd.

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More here from an interview by Ruth from 1994 but when you see the name Geoffrey Giuliano alarm bells start ringing so here is a bit of what this is first (context)

Heather Mills has been in talks to buy a set of tapes recorded by Paul McCartney ‘s stepsister that feature potentially explosive accusations that he subjected her to violent rages.

The tapes are being sold by Beatles writer Geoffrey Giuliano who interviewed Ruth McCartney with a view to writing her autobiography. He got in touch with Ms Mills’ lawyers when news broke of her acrimonious split from Sir Paul.

The section on Paul’s dads death and their falling out according to Ruth is below

Ruth, who has been estranged from Paul for 20 years, said they fell out when Jim was dying. She said: ‘Jim was the only dad I knew. He got rheumatoid arthritis. Paul came over one day and flung open all the windows even though Dad was so frail by then he needed to sit by the fire to ease his pain. He told Dad, ‘Don’t be a cripple, get out of that chair and walk.’

‘Poor old dad had tears plopping down his face, and he said, ‘Back off son, leave me alone.’ It sounds cruel, but I don’t think he meant it to be. Dad got into debt towards the end and Paul bought back the house to allow him to pay his bills. He bought that house twice and, as far as I know, he still owns it.’

McCartney, who had been paying his father £7,000-a-year, cut off all links with Ruth and her mother after Jim’s death. Ruth recalled: ‘Mum and I struggled. At one point I was holding down five jobs, including working as a barmaid and as an office cleaner. Looking back, I think he cut us off because we were part of his dad’s world and when he died, that was the natural break for Paul. Of course, I was resentful at the time. People assumed because my brother was a Beatle, he would take care of us. But he didn’t.

‘He and I never had any major row, he is just someone who, when he cuts you out of his life, makes a clean cut.’

However, Ruth admitted she and her mother had tried to sell Jim’s Beatles memorabilia, including Paul’s original birth certificate, and this had caused some resentment.

The last sentence is important as we know Paul is not best pleased when folk close to him try and sell memorabilia, as it was his Dad’s then that was probably worse.

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Interesting stuff.  I guess the confusion about whether McCartney was asked not to attend, or if he chose not to, will remain.

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Is Paul McCartney more cute, famous, or talented? I want to know.

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