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Was John's Aunt Mimi Tony Soprano's mom?
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JFKin60
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28 May 2011 - 11.41pm

According to Cynthia Lennon in "John" she was.

What do you all think?

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29 May 2011 - 1.49am

Since I never saw the Sopranos, I don't get your reference.

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29 May 2011 - 4.01am

Oh...sorry...

She was a very mean, pitiful woman in The Sopranos.

I take it most of you are in England?

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29 May 2011 - 4.07am

I think it's pretty spread out. There are a few Americans (A Fiendish Thingy, skye, Zig, and me are the first I can think off the top of my head), some Canadians (Sun king and vonbontee/Von Bontee-- again, this is off the top of my head), Australians (Paulrus and JoB), Britons (Joe, Ellie, and The Walrus-- I think), and more. Mith's from Mexico, McLennonson is from Norway, paulsbass is German, and there are plenty of other nationalities I can't think of. 

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29 May 2011 - 11.58am

It is mostly Americans (StarWisher and Gniknus as well), with Joe, The Walrus, Doctor Robert and MJB being from the UK, and then smatterings from everywhere else. And you are currently reading a proud Canadian (Go Canucks!!).

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30 October 2014 - 6.04am

Another Sleeping Beauty –a sleeping thread, and what a topic! A lot about nationalities, but the question remains –was Aunt Mimi like Tony’s mother? For those of you who have seen The Sopranos (Season 1, then she dies as you know, the actress who portrayed her died), and have information about this, was she?

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31 October 2014 - 7.31pm

Never saw The Sopranos, so I can't speak to the comparison. However, in post #3, the OP says:

She was a very mean, pitiful woman...

Mimi may have not been Mother Theresa, but nothing I've read paints her in that light. I would feel comfortable saying no.

Side note: wow, were there really that few of us only three and a half years ago?

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31 October 2014 - 7.42pm

Zig said
Never saw The Sopranos, so I can't speak to the comparison. However, in post #3, the OP says:

She was a very mean, pitiful woman...

Mimi may have not been Mother Theresa, but nothing I've read paints her in that light. I would feel comfortable saying no.

I'd say Cynthia's book paints her in a pretty miserable light.

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31 October 2014 - 8.28pm

I'm going to have to read that book soon.

I'm beginning to think that Mimi and Cyn loathed each other. They are each portrayed by others in such a way that leads you to believe they were decent women. When you hear of things one says about the other however...

That's a shame.

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Starr Shine?
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31 October 2014 - 8.30pm

Wonder why they didn't seem to like each other

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31 October 2014 - 8.33pm

Most likely the age old problem of not being able to share the affection of the one they love with someone else.

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31 October 2014 - 11.21pm

I thought this question was literal! Glad to hear its just a metaphor.

Like Zig said, I don't think she was that type even if she wasn't always nice to John, but we know he wasn't always nice to her either. People never (don't usually) get along with their in-laws, and Mimi was basically her mother-in-law. It's just how things work out, even though they both were (still are for Cyn) probably decent people.

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18 November 2014 - 3.03am

I think what is meant here is, did Mimi have borderline personality disorder, which, if I remember my Sopranos correctly, is what Dr. Melfi believed Livia Soprano had (so did Gloria, one of Tony's goomars, for that matter. The Sopranos featured a fascinating dysfunctional family dynamic that, well, went on and on and-cut to black). The problem with trying to diagnose someone long dead who wasn't diagnosed as anything (as far as has been admitted to the public) while alive, is that we get so many conflicting accounts.  Cynthia and Julia Baird think she was on of the biggest witches on two legs who did John irreparable psychological harm; Yoko and Paul speak of her fondly. John complained of her at least once to his cousin Leila in their correspondence, but there were times he spoke warmly of her. 

I might be overstepping my bounds as a newbie, but based on what I've read, I suspect the Stanley side of Lennon's family tree, at least, saw its fair share of what would now be called mental illness. It was still fairly taboo to talk about it in 1980, when John died. I don't mean this as a character assassination of an entire family line, just something genetic.

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18 November 2014 - 6.07am

RedDwarf said
 I might be overstepping my bounds as a newbie, but based on what I've read, I suspect the Stanley side of Lennon's family tree, at least, saw its fair share of what would now be called mental illness. It was still fairly taboo to talk about it in 1980, when John died. I don't mean this as a character assassination of an entire family line, just something genetic.

If you know more about this, @RedDwarf, please share it with us. At least I am very interested, considering that John’s emotional turmoil during all his life made him borderline psychosis at times (e.g. when he announced he was Jesus).

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Starr Shine?
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13 July 2016 - 10.56am

No. Livia Soprano was a crazy woman who was very emotionally manipulative over dramatic woman who hated everyone. Aunt Mimi doesn't strike me as such.

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13 July 2016 - 2.13pm

I think Mimi only had John's best interests at heart, and that might probably have led her to behaving a little mean at times. She didn't believe that John could make money off a guitar, but she did acknowledge his writing skills and did think he was a gifted child. She believed his talent lay elsewhere and she wanted to bring out the best in him, and thus, stressed on education.

As for Cyn and Mimi, Mimi was rude to her, so if you read her perspective, you'd think she was the devil incarnate. It's interesting how she went back and forth over Yoko and Cynthia, preferring Cyn sometimes and Yoko at other times. I think she didn't like either of them. Obviously, no woman was good for her boy!

She did favour Sean over Julian though. 

Good ol' Mimi!

 

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Eleanor Macca
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16 July 2016 - 3.57pm

I read somewhere, that she ( Mimi) was about to throw John's writings out, and he told her : "One of these says I'm going to be famous and you'll be sorry for that " 

For me, she could feel inside that John was special and different, although, she didn't want to accept that fact. 

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