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Richard Nixon and the murder of John Lennon
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I know Richard Nixon tried to deport John, but do you guys/girls think he or the government may have been in on the assassination? RIP John CryYell

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I doubt it. Look at is this way........

Countless people have spent countless hours making countless films and writing countless books on the 'suspicious' death of Princess Diana; on the 'suspicious' assassination of JFK; on the 'suspected' murder of Marilyn Monroe but no one has really bothered to go down this route with Lennon.

I think that answers the question and I personally don't think it was any more than the cowardly act of a deranged, screwed up, total and utter f**kwit Yell

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This might be one for the film/video section, but has anyone seen The US Vs John Lennon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ohn_Lennon

I haven't, but I'd quite like to. I know Nixon's lot gave Lennon a hard time when he was trying to get the Green Card, but I've never heard anyone seriously suggest there was an assassination plot.

I did read once, though, that Mark Chapman wrote a longer list of people to target, which didn't feature Lennon but had Paul McCartney and (I think) David Bowie on it, among others. I read this somewhere nearly 20 years ago so forgive me for not remembering the source or precise details.

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Nah.  Chapman had problems with Lennon for a LONG while.  He had been planning the assassination for months beforehand, everything from what kind of gun he was going to use to what he was going to leave in his hotel room when the cops stormed in to investigate.

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There was a book written about this, actually.  The author is called Bresler, but I don't remember his first name.  I think the book was called something like The Murder of John Lennon or something along those lines.  He claims it was a US government conspiracy.  I've never read it myself, so I can't really comment on whether it's worth reading, but there you go.

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23 February 2010
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Chapman was a patsy set up for the hit by the CIA's MK-Ultra program.  Why?  Because Lennon was due to win his U.S. citizenship a few months later, and they needed to eliminate the chance that Lennon would have joined the opposition to their murderous counterrevolutionary wars in Central America (esp. Nicaragua and El Salvador), just getting underway as Reagan's transition team was taking power in December 1980.   Think that's nuts?  Read _Who Killed John Lennon?_ by Fenton Bresler, and _The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: the CIA and Mind Control_ by John Marks.  And visit ciakilledlennon.blogspot.com

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MadiYasha said:Nah.  Chapman had problems with Lennon for a LONG while.  He had been planning the assassination for months beforehand, everything from what kind of gun he was going to use to what he was going to leave in his hotel room when the cops stormed in to investigate.


He had a mile-long list of people he really wanted taken down, including both John and Marlon Brando and countless others if I remember correctly... I think I saw that in John Lennon vs. THE US, which is a great film, I can rate it as my favourite documentary, that's for sure.
A lot of footage I'd never seen before, too. 

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24 February 2010
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alan said:Chapman was a patsy set up for the hit by the CIA's MK-Ultra program.  Why?  Because Lennon was due to win his U.S. citizenship a few months later, and they needed to eliminate the chance that Lennon would have joined the opposition to their murderous counterrevolutionary wars in Central America (esp. Nicaragua and El Salvador), just getting underway as Reagan's transition team was taking power in December 1980.   Think that's nuts?  Read _Who Killed John Lennon?_ by Fenton Bresler, and _The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: the CIA and Mind Control_ by John Marks.  And visit ciakilledlennon.blogspot.com


Lovely theory... someone really spent some time thinking up a plausible connection. Confused However, John was completely non-political at that point... and besides, for those of us who lived through those times, we remember that there was no real anti-war movement left at that point. (A very frustrating fact for those of us vehemently against what Reagan was doing!)

What about the theory that Yoko had made a pact with the devil and that is why John was murdered? There are even those who believe Yoko was directly behind it...

Personally, I subscribe to the lone gunman theory. I think what murdered John Lennon was our outrageous lack of gun control laws, which allows crazy individuals like you-know-who to purchase firearms and hollow point bullets!!!

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Joe said:

This might be one for the film/video section, but has anyone seen The US Vs John Lennon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ohn_Lennon

I haven't, but I'd quite like to. I know Nixon's lot gave Lennon a hard time when he was trying to get the Green Card, but I've never heard anyone seriously suggest there was an assassination plot.

I did read once, though, that Mark Chapman wrote a longer list of people to target, which didn't feature Lennon but had Paul McCartney and (I think) David Bowie on it, among others. I read this somewhere nearly 20 years ago so forgive me for not remembering the source or precise details.


 

I've just gotten this DVD Joe, and it's truly worth watching. It has some interesting interviews. I wasn't born when all this happened, but I'm more than aware of the movement in the late 60s – early 70s (Praga, Paris, Tlatelolco) because of my older sisters. I've read many books and stories in press about it. So this documentary helps you understand why John meant so much for the young people in that time.

 

Yoko is a lot on it, and it shows how John doted on her. She might look as a very cold person, but it's heartbreaking when she talks about John's final years. Now, it seems to me that they give credit to Yoko for guiding John's need of going against the establishment, to say it in a way. I don't doubt it, I just point it out. So if you have the chance to get it, do it. 

 

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mithveaen said:

Joe said:

This might be one for the film/video section, but has anyone seen The US Vs John Lennon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ohn_Lennon

I haven't, but I'd quite like to. I know Nixon's lot gave Lennon a hard time when he was trying to get the Green Card, but I've never heard anyone seriously suggest there was an assassination plot.

I did read once, though, that Mark Chapman wrote a longer list of people to target, which didn't feature Lennon but had Paul McCartney and (I think) David Bowie on it, among others. I read this somewhere nearly 20 years ago so forgive me for not remembering the source or precise details.


 

I've just gotten this DVD Joe, and it's truly worth watching. It has some interesting interviews. I wasn't born when all this happened, but I'm more than aware of the movement in the late 60s – early 70s (Praga, Paris, Tlatelolco) because of my older sisters. I've read many books and stories in press about it. So this documentary helps you understand why John meant so much for the young people in that time.

 

Yoko is a lot on it, and it shows how John doted on her. She might look as a very cold person, but it's heartbreaking when she talks about John's final years. Now, it seems to me that they give credit to Yoko for guiding John's need of going against the establishment, to say it in a way. I don't doubt it, I just point it out. So if you have the chance to get it, do it. 

 

(Damn do I write like an English text book?)


 

I saw it when they release it in theatres (Buenos Aires is a Lennon city), and saw it again a few month ago. Is a good film, and it focus is in the first years in New York, and John's contacts with som kind of radical political groups and individuals.

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I recorded the film recently. After watching it, I remember I was not that impressed and decided not to keep it in my DVR.

It was kinda weak (just my opinion here - my apolgies to those who really liked it). The film gave reasons why a conspiracy could have been in place but had no concrete proof that one actually existed.

It left me thinking, "that's it?". If you get a chance to watch/record it for free, by all means do. I just don't think it's worth buying.

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Zig said:

I recorded the film recently. After watching it, I remember I was not that impressed and decided not to keep it in my DVR.

It was kinda weak (just my opinion here – my apolgies to those who really liked it). The film gave reasons why a conspiracy could have been in place but had no concrete proof that one actually existed.

It left me thinking, "that's it?". If you get a chance to watch/record it for free, by all means do. I just don't think it's worth buying.


 

Umb… interesting. Now you mention it… yeah.. they don't really give proof that there's a real conspiracy. I guess I was a bit Oliver Stone-ish in my opinion a-hard-days-night-john-6

 

Ok now : After certain time, US government papers are open to public, that means, you can fill a request and you can get the papers you want. I know this because a magazine did a massive story about the papers related with Tlatelolco massacre in October 68. It was a quite interesting reading. Now, that story was published a few years ago and all this happened in late 60s early 70s. So, if there are papers proving that FBI surveillance on John, after doing the proper paperwork, you could get them, right?

 

Or maybe it's a different thing because it's the FBI. Mhhh we need Mulder and Scully on this……

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mithveaen said:


 
Umb… interesting. Now you mention it… yeah.. they don't really give proof that there's a real conspiracy. I guess I was a bit Oliver Stone-ish in my opinion a-hard-days-night-john-6

 

Ok now : After certain time, US government papers are open to public, that means, you can fill a request and you can get the papers you want. I know this because a magazine did a massive story about the papers related with Tlatelolco massacre in October 68. It was a quite interesting reading. Now, that story was published a few years ago and all this happened in late 60s early 70s. So, if there are papers proving that FBI surveillance on John, after doing the proper paperwork, you could get them, right?

 

Or maybe it's a different thing because it's the FBI. Mhhh we need Mulder and Scully on this……


 Don't ever second guess your opinions - they are just as valid as mine or anyone else's here. That's what makes this forum as fun as it is.

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I do love a good conspiracy theory, and this is up there with Kennedy, 9/11, Princess Di, Oklahoma City and 7/7. There is no doubt that the FBI was after John Lennon in the 70's. I recently read Memories of John Lennon and the actual FBI documents were printed in the book so it was pretty interesting. Trying to make a "plausable" connection, John was just coming back onto the scene when he was killed and maybe the government saw him as a threat again. Let's face it, the youth movement in the United States has never been so fueled as it was in the 60's, and Lennon was one of the major forces behind this. Maybe they just got rid of him by hiring a nut to kill him? It's unlikely, but you never really know with the two-faced wackos we have in our government.

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I do believe Chapman had ties with the government in his life.

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Joe said:

This might be one for the film/video section, but has anyone seen The US Vs John Lennon? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ohn_Lennon

I haven't, but I'd quite like to. I know Nixon's lot gave Lennon a hard time when he was trying to get the Green Card, but I've never heard anyone seriously suggest there was an assassination plot.

I did read once, though, that Mark Chapman wrote a longer list of people to target, which didn't feature Lennon but had Paul McCartney and (I think) David Bowie on it, among others. I read this somewhere nearly 20 years ago so forgive me for not remembering the source or precise details.


The movie is laughably bad at points. It serves it's purpose as a (somewhat) documentary.

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MrBig said:

I do believe Chapman had ties with the government in his life.


 

He does have ties - they are called handcuffs.

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Zig said:

MrBig said:

I do believe Chapman had ties with the government in his life.


 

He does have ties - they are called handcuffs.


I didn't mean it that way. I meant that he might've been sent by the US Government to kill John Lennon. It's a hypothetical, but not an impossible one.

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I vaguely recall encountering some equally ludicrous attempt at a conspiracy theory linking the whole thing with the attack on Pearl Harbour (John being killed the day after Pearl Harbour Day, and Yoko being of Japanese extraction, don't you know...)

And didn't Albert Goldman (in his offensive-in-so-many-ways Lennon bio) attempt to hint that Yoko Ono was somehow behind Paul's Japanese pot bust? (Or did I dream that one?)

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