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Paul: ‘John is More Famous Than Me Because of Revisionism"
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On Paul not attending his father's funeral (if this is meant as a shot the accusation is a pretty cheap one); from 'Linda McCartney: The Biography' (for those who dont know Angie is Paul's step-mother who was married to Jim (Paul's father) when he died)

When Jim died, on 18 March 1976, Angie called Paul and reached him at a London hotel where he was holding a press conference, on the eve of the European part of the world tour.       

   "I called Rose, his housekeeper, first, and she told me where they were. I'm sure it was the Royal Garden Hotel. And Paul's PR person came to the phone and I told him that I must speak to Paul, I can't tell anybody else what I have to talk to him about. He came to the phone and I said, 'I'm sorry, son, it just happened.' He sounded so shocked, he sort of yelled, 'Are you sure?' and I said I was, and I'd call him later. He was absolutely and totally in shock. We'd all expected it, but it's always a shock, you know.
            We talked later about the funeral and about him coming to Liverpool. They were going to Paris to start the tour and he asked me what I thought. I said, 'If you throw everything away and come up here for the funeral, it would just be a circus. It won't bring your Dad back, and he was always so proud of you and your music, you go on with what it is you're born to do.'
            So Paul and Linda went off to Paris. It was so much more sensible. Can you imagine what mob scenes there would have been if he'd come? There would have been thousands of fans and hundreds of reporters and all kinds of pushing and shoving and unpleasantness added on to the reason we were all there. So then the papers didn't get their pictures, but instead they got revenge by criticizing them for not going to Jim's funeral. People will always criticize. You can't win, you know?"

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That makes sense........

 

In a way it's what his dad would have wanted 'Carry on Son......That's not really me inside that coffin. You carry on..... like I always taught you.'

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lillo78 said

https://youtu.be/RhokFOP8IH0

Paul's bass is ok, george's guitar is ok... but what the hell is that john's guitar?

Ernie Ball Music Man JP6... in wine red.

Okay, wait.  It has only 4 tuners so it's a Gibson Grabber 3 70's Tribute Bass... in red.

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meanmistermustard said
On Paul not attending his father's funeral (if this is meant as a shot the accusation is a pretty cheap one); from 'Linda McCartney: The Biography' (for those who dont know Angie is Paul's step-mother who was married to Jim (Paul's father) when he died)

When Jim died, on 18 March 1976, Angie called Paul and reached him at a London hotel where he was holding a press conference, on the eve of the European part of the world tour.       

   "I called Rose, his housekeeper, first, and she told me where they were. I'm sure it was the Royal Garden Hotel. And Paul's PR person came to the phone and I told him that I must speak to Paul, I can't tell anybody else what I have to talk to him about. He came to the phone and I said, 'I'm sorry, son, it just happened.' He sounded so shocked, he sort of yelled, 'Are you sure?' and I said I was, and I'd call him later. He was absolutely and totally in shock. We'd all expected it, but it's always a shock, you know.
            We talked later about the funeral and about him coming to Liverpool. They were going to Paris to start the tour and he asked me what I thought. I said, 'If you throw everything away and come up here for the funeral, it would just be a circus. It won't bring your Dad back, and he was always so proud of you and your music, you go on with what it is you're born to do.'
            So Paul and Linda went off to Paris. It was so much more sensible. Can you imagine what mob scenes there would have been if he'd come? There would have been thousands of fans and hundreds of reporters and all kinds of pushing and shoving and unpleasantness added on to the reason we were all there. So then the papers didn't get their pictures, but instead they got revenge by criticizing them for not going to Jim's funeral. People will always criticize. You can't win, you know?"

I had a post on this awhile back.  Apparently, after Paul decided to not attend (for the reasons cited), he had a falling out with Angie for not being there.

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http://www.people.com/article/.....evisionism

Not sure if this was discussed elsewhere, but here is more whining from Paul about how he isn't as famous as he would like to be. What more does he want? He is definitely the most popular Beatle on this forum.

I definitely don't think that John is only as famous as he is because he was shot. He started The Beatles after all. Is it even true that until recently John was admired as the genius behind The Beatles? I never saw it. In fact, ever since becoming a Beatles fan all I've seen is Paul complaining about revisionism, people going on about how violent and horrible John was, and lots of women fawning over Paul.

I truly believe John Lennon  became a (Martyr) Legend because he died. His solo career wasn't the greatest. Same thing with Marilyn Monroe. She wasn't that great of an Actress, or "That beautiful", but dying young makes you a Legend.

But unlike Marilyn's acting, John was a great songwriter! a-hard-days-night-john-1

Do I think Macca might have been whining a little bit, probably! paul-mccartney
 

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There's a handful of threads I could have posted this in, but right now this one seems to be the best candidate:

(The audio here is definitely NSFW and, in today's society, highly offensive to some)

On National Lampoon's GREATEST HITS album is a brilliant parody of
post-Beatles Lennon (when his songs were a bit wordier and a bit angrier)
called "Magical Misery Tour".  I heard that the lyrics are composed of
actual quotes he made in interviews, but I'm not sure if this is true.

Anyway, these are the lyrics, as far as I can make out:

-------------------------------------------
I resent performing for you fuckers, tell me what do you know?  a lot of
faggot middle class kids wearing long hair and trendy clothes - look, I'm
not your fucking parents and I'm sick of uptight hippies coming knocking
at me door with a fucking peace symbol, get ripped, fuck that, I don't
owe you fuckers anything and all I got to say is fuck you.

The sky is blue.

And Mick Jagger, I think that Mick's a joke, with all his stupid faggot
dancing.  I always did.  Wiggling his ass you know it's just a lot of
bullshit.  And where does he come off saying all those tarty things about
the Beatles when every fucking thing we ever did Mick tried to copy and you
know we even wrote his second book and record for him - oh the Stones
aren't in the same fucking class as the Beatles, either music-wise or
power-wise and never ever were.

Pardon me sir.

Paul said he hated Yoko, tell me why should Yoko have to take that kind
of shit - shit from those fucking sons of bitches?

George said she gave off evil vibes, I should have beat the fucking shit
right out of him - him with his fucking hare krishna.

Me auntie, she tore up me fucking poems, she just threw the bastards out
- I can't forgive her cuz she didn't treat me like a fucking genius.  
Look, you bastards I'm a genius, like Shakespeare and Beethoven and Van
Gogt... don't you dare criticize my work!  "John married Yoko" was one of
the best fucking rock-and-roll records ever made.  I'm a fucking artist!  
I'm sensitive as shit!  I throw up before I go on stage!  I can make a
guitar speak!  If I could be a fisherman I would, but I can't because I'm
a fucking genius!  I was the walrus!  Paul wasn't the walrus!  I was just
saying that to be nice, but I was actually the walrus.  You know that
rubbish he's been singing?  Eastman was an animal!!  A fucking stupid
middle-class pig!!  I won't let fucking animals like that near me!  Yoko
is a supreme intellectual.  I'll tell you why nobody likes her music -
because She's A Woman and she's Oriental, that's why!  Where are you,
mother?!  They're trying to crucify me!!!

Genius is pain!

Genius is pai-ai-ai-ain

Genius is pain!

Genius is pai-ai-ai-ain

Genius is pain!  Aaahhhh!  Oaughhh!

Genius is pai-ai-ai-ain

Genius is pain!  Ohhh-aughh!  Whoooaauugh!  Aauughhh!  Aauugh!

Genius is pain - oooh!  Aughh!  Aaauugh!  Pain!  Genius!

Auughhhaugghhhaughooah!  aahh!  Aaaahhhhhh!  Aahh!  Pain!  Genius!  
Pain!  Aughh!  Pain, genius!  Yoko!  Mother !  Wak!  Tom lives in Iceland!
Aahhhh!  Aaughh!  Ohhh, fuck!  Fuck!  Fuck!  Aughhhhh!  Aughhh! .....
(screams fade...)

(yoko's voice)  The dream is over.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVDpPX37fkU

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 I'ts almost like he resents john for having the bad form to go and get himself murdered before paul could become more famous than him... or something. I mean john didn't make a record for years in the 70s paul. I'm sure you were more famous then.

Suggesting the beatles were "equally famous" back in the day ?. Naah.

I love paul and his amazing talent, but i really shouldn't read his interviews - he nearly always says something to piss me off. 

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In case people don't go back to page 1 of the thread, here's the full interview this part was lifted from.

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castironshore said

I love paul and his amazing talent, but i really shouldn't read his interviews - he nearly always says something to piss me off. 

Or perhaps, you're reading too much into it, taking away things he didn't say or mean. I've come to notice a lot of John (and George) fans doing that, and I wonder why that is. 

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castironshore said
 I'ts almost like he resents john for having the bad form to go and get himself murdered before paul could become more famous than him... or something. I mean john didn't make a record for years in the 70s paul. I'm sure you were more famous then.

Suggesting the beatles were "equally famous" back in the day ?. Naah.

I love paul and his amazing talent, but i really shouldn't read his interviews - he nearly always says something to piss me off. 

Were they not? I wasn't born then, but am sure as hell that nobody was saying John was The Beatles like some misguided people do today. And from what I have read, it's suffice to say that Paul was a tad bit more famous with the girls who made up most of their fan base (and this was as back in the day as it can go).

John, on the other hand, was famous for wrong reasons (1966?), and towards the end of The Beatles, he pretty much became a laughing stock with his bed-ins and what not (they were not so legendary as they are today). Not to mention, most of the fans blamed Yoko for the break up, and by that measure, John didn't gain any love. 

 

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During the early years, @O Boogie, John was very much Beatle #1. Whenever asked who the leader was, they - including Paul - would all point at John. You only need look at an album like A Hard Day's Night  to see just how naturally dominant a figure John was between 1962-65/66.

You look at how they were regarded then: John - the clever Beatle, the literary Beatle; Paul - the cute Beatle; the PR Beatle. That probably irked to a degree even then.

Paul probably feels he has merely been trying to get away from those stereotypes and address the reality of the situation as he sees it. However, because that often involves him questioning his own contribution and John's, without John being around to answer, it can look as if he is trying to promote his role while downgrading John's.

Take In My Life  as an example. For years that was a John song that Paul helped with. Right up until John's death and for some years after, that was the accepted view, and Paul never disagreed. While John was around, he never turned around and said that wasn't how he remembered it (even while the group were together). Then, some years after John was no longer to argue his corner, Paul started putting forward a version of that song's history that made his role much more pivotal to it than had ever been suggested before.

One of John's highlights, and after John's death Paul claims it was much more 50/50 than previously admitted. Except we no longer have John to stick his finger up and tell him to feck off because "That was my song!"

There is the bit where you can understand Paul wanting to defend his contribution, it was HUGE, but when you do it by appearing to question a dead man's reliability and recall, that is going to raise hackles.

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I dont think Paul is going too far in many of his comments or saying too much that is inaccurate or overblown in regards to John except when it comes to the songwriting side. He really should shut up about it as there is no way anyone really takes what he says with any amount of seriousness, instead he just comes across as an egotistical arse.

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Which is why I very clearly mentioned "with the girls". Sure, John was the leader figure through and through, there's no doubt about that, and considering Hard Day's Night and so on was his most prolific period when the hits just flowed from his hand. But again, no one said he was "The Beatles". As for being no.1 Beatle, I guess it is just a matter of where you are coming from - with the songs, it was John. Paul's period was with Sgt. Pepper 's and so on. Anyway, wasn't the question regarding the "most famous" Beatle, and not no.1?? Besides, before Ed Sullivan's, wasn't Ringo the most famous Beatle? As the saying goes, all women loved him - they either wanted to marry him, or mother him - which is what I have heard, I could be wrong.

Yes, Paul is doing quite a bit of 80 - 20 things these days, which he never did when John was around. That's not something that I agree with. You just have to look at "How many Beatles does it take to change a light bulb?" joke to understand what the opinion about Paul is, anyway 😀 And I don't know why he does that. I guess he is a bit insecure about his place in history. He needn't worry. But then again, that is not something I particularly like, the same as John being a martyr, when he was anything but. I think being a martyr never sat well with John - and he mentioned it himself.

 

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I think all of this is most sad. And no matter how you slice it Paul comes off looking bad -  because in truth he is being rather boorish.

Paul is not only the most successful Beatle he is perhaps the most successful musician ever - but it's not enough. No doubt John is magnified in death (as many artists are) but also no doubt John was the leader of the group. I grew up in the '60s and that was certainly everyone's impression. John was the leader.

John said it in the Lennon Remembers Interview - Paul never refuted it then - John never took that comment back - the others never disagreed.

As the Beatles began to spiral out of control one of their arguments was in musical direction - both John and George despised Paul's more corny tunes - this became an on-going issue between them even after the break up.

Once John was murdered his songs took on iconic anthem status -this was always a thorn in Paul's ego.

To me it's no coincidence that Paul never started making these comments about song ownership until after John was gone. he'd have been crushed by John if he had (I believe). I think what's interesting is that John - all the way in 1980 - never felt a need to be associated with Yesterday ("never wished I'd written it") and in fact happily separated himself for what is easily one of their top 5 most famous songs - yet Paul needs to attach himself to John's songs.

What is ironic is that John often wondered why people loved Paul's love songs more than John's songs. If anything, that ought to give Paul some comfort - but Paul continues to honor the question about songwriting credit percentages by trying to dissect what he added to John's songs. The funny thing is (and I could be wrong on this) I don't recall Paul saying - "Oh here's something John added to my song that most of you don't know about (other than the one line in Hey Jude "the movement you need is on your shoulder" - which Paul tells us he wrote and he uses John to say how great the line is - think about it).

Even in Lennon Remembers when Wenner mentions newspaper taxis - John says, "Paul wrote that line" - John never wanted a credit that wasn't his. Hell he didn't want half the songs that were his!

If Paul had made these "revisionism" type of comments only once or maybe twice that would be one thing, but he seems to trot this stuff out at almost every interview. He is frigging 73 years old - when a reporters asks that type of question a mature gentleman of his age (and a knight no less) ought to say, "What a silly question. John was a genius - the world is a lesser place without him and I was honored to be have been his partner. Talking about who wrote what - is that the best question you've got for me?" That is called being gracious.

Instead Paul continues to defend (which perpetuates the argument) things from over 40 years ago making him come off like a sore loser in a sandlot baseball game - when he is already one of the great musical talents ever produced.

it's childish.

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^^^ What I find funny is that Paul attaches John to his songs which John distanced himself from - there is one song, I can't remember which one. John said it was totally Paul's, and Paul was his usual - "that's not the way I remember it".

Anyway, true, it just comes off as sad. I think the problem is that Paul liked the Beatles far too much than the others, and he was the most comfortable with it while it existed, which is why he is more than enthusiastic to talk about Beatles. He keeps on going about what a great band they were, while John, George, Ringo never did. John could do Beatle praising when he was in the mood, but George clearly didn't think too much of it. If you look at the Beatles Grammy Salute, you can see that Paul is saying things like "we were a great little band", while Ringo is clearly uncomfortable.

I think he finds it difficult to accept the way things came to an end, even to this day. And of course, he feels he is being swallowed up by the Lennon legend. He is right up there with John, and he doesn't need to be insecure. 

 

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Good discussion here--yes, John didn't even want to claim many of his OWN songs, lol. In later years you can clearly see him disowning some of his earlier work. It does reflect poorly on Paul to be claiming ownership of John's songs, and I think (although it may be unconscious on his part) that Paul has an inferiority complex when it comes to John. There is that whole bit (can't seem to find it) where some critic was arguing that "Give My Regards To Broad Street " was a psychodrama where Paul is symbolically asserting his independence from John as a father figure or whatever, which is totally right on. Paul changes the words of "Here, There And Everywhere " to "I need a love of my OWN" instead of "I need my love to be here." He is symbolically divorcing from John and reclaiming his mojo. On that album, he is doing new versions of Beatles songs and letting them stand alongside his own hits to show the world "Hey, I'm the Beatles too, it's not just John. Look how talented I can be."

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I don't think i'm reading too much into it at all, i think it's really crass of mccartney to be referring to lennon's death as having been like having him " elevated to a james dean and beyond".................. Fuck off with that kind of nonsense paul.

"I mean, if you just pull out all his great stuff and then stack it up against my not-so-great stuff, it’s an easy case to make." .................  That's just embarrassing man. Sorry.

"You know how on your iPad there’s never enough room? So it’s kind of important who comes first," McCartney explained. "Late at night I was in a hotel room looking online and I happened to see this music book, which has got all the songs in it, and it was Hey Jude by John Lennon and... and the space ran out." ................... I just laughed out loud at how pathetic this is.

 

mccartney just sounds like a bitter old dick in that interview. He should be better than that.

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The irony here is that for exactly the same reason, John used to be upset. People would often come to him and congratulate him on having written "Yesterday ." He would always be gracious, but secretly it would make him very angry. The reason being that his name came first and McCartney's would sometimes end up being cut off on the page or whatever. So, it works both ways. I don't think McCartney can ascribe any ill intent here. And "Lennon/McCartney" just sounds better.

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John made his irritation known as well - with Yesterday and stuff. Anyway, John could be as crass as anyone. Some of the stuff directed towards Paul was absolutely cruel. Not just John, even George could be seen making fun of Paul in the Imagine documentary, along with John. 

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If you watch Let It Be , Paul comes off as being very annoying and self important. It's probably why we don't have Let It Be on DVD, aside from the fact that Ringo probably doesn't want to be reminded about how miserable everything was.

True, John was strung out on heroin at the time and basically absent even though he was physically there. But I think if I were a Beatle I would feel the same way about Paul at that time. He was like the taskmaster, rallying everyone to the cause (and making sure they did it his way) and feigning cheerfulness when they really didn't care.

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