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Miscellaneous questions about John Lennon
21 November 2014
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It wouldve sounded bad, yes, then again he probably didnt put it down a whole half step, he probably just tuned it down a little, then again I could be wrong, I wonder when he stopped doing it though.

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A few years back i was reading folk discuss whether or not ‘Free As A Bird ‘ and ‘Real Love ‘ should be considered as 100% Beatles tracks and therefore be considered part of their cannon alongside everything else (the discussion wasn’t on here). One of the contributors said that one reason he was against the entire project was that John had stated that he wanted none of his home recordings to be used or released after he had died – has anyone ever came across this in any of the interviews he gave?

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22 November 2014
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There is a discussion on the forum about whether to count those as part of the canon.
https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..tles-song/

However, that may not be the discussion you were referencing.

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22 November 2014
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No, that’s not it but thanks for looking. I’m convinced the conversation i’m referring to was not on this forum.

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It’s not something I can remember John saying in an interview, @meanmistermustard. It also strikes me as an unusual thing for him to say. This would be before the age of archive releases had really begun, with only really Buddy Holly’s home recordings being released with overdubs posthumously that I can think of – and John was a great fan of those. Undoubtedly there are others, but it wasn’t a common enough practice for John to comment on.

It also seems to me, that had John said anything like that, Yoko would have been challenged with that quote on multiple occasions, as well as it being referenced in reviews and articles about the various archive releases. Those in the media unimpressed with The Threetles would have brought it up as an example of all that they thought wrong about the idea.

I think it would be a much more well-known quote if it existed.

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23 November 2014
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Sorry to interrupt, but the allegations of Lennon being a wife-beater etc. have got me thinking lately. It’s given me an odd feeling listening to his music, as if I’m almost glossing over the allegations and continuing to view the guy as highly as I kind-of do. Obviously I acknowledge the guy was pretty horrible to people a lot of the time, bearing in mind.

 

How do we all feel about this rumoured side of John? There is virtually no concrete anecdotal evidence online that I’ve found, aside from Cynthia’s recollection of one solitary slap, that he was the chronic woman beater that a lot of people seem to make him out to be. 

Obviously I don’t condone the fact he slapped Cyn, a shameful act without doubt, but is it really right to condemn him as a chronic woman beater because of that? 

Anyone else got their views on this issue?

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23 November 2014
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ahdn_paul_06 I don’t know. It doesn’t affect how I hear the music

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Doesnt affect how i hear the music as if it did for John what about all the other musicians, film stars, politicians etc who have done similar stuff? Where do you draw the line in regards to whats ok and whats not? Considering the allegations currently being investigated towards Cliff Richard I doubt there would be anyone i could listen to at the moment (not that i ever listen to Cliff, just he’s viewed as the squeaky clean singer).

John himself admitted he hit women (the most famous example being “i used to be cruel to my woman, i beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved” in ‘Getting Better ‘); if i remember correctly and if the stories are true one of the reasons why he split from Yoko in the 70’s was he hit her. 

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23 November 2014
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Yeah thats always a tough topic for his fans. I think you have to remember though it was different back then. Also that he admitted it publicly in song at age 26. I am not condoning it in anyway. I think he handled it better then other  celebrities who have done it. It wasn’t like a scandal happened or it happened in public. He willingly admitted to it and talked about it. I think he did it to try to let others know it was wrong. Also to show he wasn’t perfect like many of his fans believed. It is something he could of easily covered up his whole life. Again it was horrible and I don’t condone it, but I think he handled it the best way possible. 

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meanmistermustard said
A few years back i was reading folk discuss whether or not ‘Free As A Bird ‘ and ‘Real Love ‘ should be considered as 100% Beatles tracks and therefore be considered part of their cannon alongside everything else (the discussion wasn’t on here). One of the contributors said that one reason he was against the entire project was that John had stated that he wanted none of his home recordings to be used or released after he had died – has anyone ever came across this in any of the interviews he gave?

Well one of the tapes given to Paul for the Anthology releases had “For Paul” written on it. I am not sure which songs they were I think one on the tapes had “Now And Then ” on it.  I am not sure if both tapes were meant for him or only one. Was just something I thought could help us come to a conclusion if he wanted any of the music released.  I am sure when he wrote for Paul he didn’t assume he wouldn’t be around. But I think since he did write it, it really transfers the responsibility to Paul if he wanted to record and release the songs. At least for the songs on the tape that said for Paul. 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Is that right? Do you have a source? I cant see John writing ‘For Paul’ on the tape, why would he? 

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24 November 2014
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There’s a short discussion about those tapes here: https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..-for-paul/

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…Obviously I acknowledge the guy was pretty horrible to people a lot of the time…

Let’s call a spade a spade (and here you will have to pardon my French)…; the guy was a jerk, and a s**t-stirrer as well (I don’t buy his peace campaign as anything but guilt and the need to stir the s**t). Do I love his music? Definitely. Has it at times made me feel that life was worth living when nothing else was around to stop me from giving up? Yes, absolutely. Did I cry my eyes out when he died? You bet. But he was an a*****e nonetheless.

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25 November 2014
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John was no more a jerk than any of the others. Anything jerk-like that you accuse him of doing can also be attributed to at least one, if not all three, of the others. They just don’t have ex-wives or girlfriends writing books about it. I’ve been a Beatles fan my whole life, I’ve heard the stories… including first-hand accounts. They were all lovely and they were all jerks. Just like 99% of us.

Here’s a quote from Bob Wooler: “The Beatles were terrible when they ganged up on you— all of them, Pete Best as well. Their tongues could be savage.” Not just John… all of them. John was just the loudest.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Is that right? Do you have a source? I cant see John writing ‘For Paul’ on the tape, why would he? 

Apparently you thought it was true two years ago! At least that the tapes were for him, even if not written by John.

I’m not finding anything on Google except the thread AG posted and a brief mention of it on Wikipedia.

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25 November 2014
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 No i didn’t. I wrote “I would highly doubt it was John who wrote ‘for Paul’ tho, if that was written on the boxes then probably Yoko or one of her people and the story grew legs.

My “yes its true” remark was in relation to Yoko giving Paul the cassettes for the Anthology tracks and they supposedly contained “Grow Old With Me ” and “Now And Then “. 

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Myself, I don’t have a lot of problem with the idea that there may be a cassette John wrote “for Paul” on. After all, we know for fact that there are 1980 demos that John introduced as being for Ringo. There is the possibility that John was looking for Paul’s opinion on a couple of things he thought he could contribute. After all, one of John’s responses to the “Will The Beatles get back together again?” was, and I’m paraphrasing, “You mean, will me and Paul write together again?” (I believe it was the Newsweek interview, but could be wrong.)

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John was no more a jerk than any of the others. Anything jerk-like that you accuse him of doing can also be attributed to at least one, if not all three, of the others. They just don’t have ex-wives or girlfriends writing books about it. I’ve been a Beatles fan my whole life, I’ve heard the stories… including first-hand accounts. They were all lovely and they were all jerks. Just like 99% of us.

Here’s a quote from Bob Wooler: “The Beatles were terrible when they ganged up on you— all of them, Pete Best as well. Their tongues could be savage.” Not just John… all of them. John was just the loudest.

@Lennonista 

You may be right. The kind of people you admire as artists but not the kind of gang you wanna hang around with, hey?

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Oudis said

Lennonista said
John was no more a jerk than any of the others. Anything jerk-like that you accuse him of doing can also be attributed to at least one, if not all three, of the others. They just don’t have ex-wives or girlfriends writing books about it. I’ve been a Beatles fan my whole life, I’ve heard the stories… including first-hand accounts. They were all lovely and they were all jerks. Just like 99% of us.

Here’s a quote from Bob Wooler: “The Beatles were terrible when they ganged up on you— all of them, Pete Best as well. Their tongues could be savage.” Not just John… all of them. John was just the loudest.

@Lennonista 

You may be right. The kind of people you admire as artists but not the kind of gang you wanna hang around with, hey?

@Oudis Well, the rumour is that Ringo and Barbara went into rehab in 1988 after he hit/beat her up in a drunken state.

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@Lennonista 

You may be right. The kind of people you admire as artists but not the kind of gang you wanna hang around with, hey?

Oh, I would definitely want to hang around with them!! a-hard-days-night-george-10

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