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John Vs George on Lead Guitar
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mewbie
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14 August 2013 - 9.34am

I don't know if it's ever been posted, but,

I wonder how they can be distinguished from each other style,
like I've read somewhere John did the solo on "Honey Pie" ...
It's very beautiful Jazz solo in my opinion,
very spontaneous yet fit the (jazzy chordal) bill ...

So I conclude, George is somehow "text-book" for lead,
as he also stated he learnt from the band like the byrds
as opposite John is more intuitive and spontaneous.

Not saying George is less artful,
but how about that guys?

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Inner Light
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14 August 2013 - 8.31pm

I would say it is the other way around. The Byrds learned from George. Inspired by George Harrison’s use of a Rickenbacker twelve-string (the company’s very first twelve-string) in the Beatles’ film A Hard Day’s Night, McGuinn bought one for himself in early 1965. I believe McGuinn made some modifications to his 460/12 string which gave the Byrds there unique sound.

Regarding Lennon as a guitarist, he was excellent as a rhythm player but not very good on lead though he did shine a bit in such songs as 'Get Back' and 'She's so Heavy'

 

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14 August 2013 - 10.13pm

Does anyone have a complete list of songs John played lead on?

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Von Bontee
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14 August 2013 - 11.25pm

Lemme think..."You Can't Do That", "Nowhere Man" (shared lead), "Yer Blues", "Savoy Truffle", "For You Blue", "Get Back", "Come Together", "She's So Heavy" and "The End" are the only ones I can remember.

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Inner Light
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14 August 2013 - 11.39pm

Von Bontee said
Lemme think..."You Can't Do That", "Nowhere Man" (shared lead), "Yer Blues", "Savoy Truffle", "For You Blue", "Get Back", "Come Together", "She's So Heavy" and "The End" are the only ones I can remember.

Lennon does not play the lead solos on 'Savoy Truffle' and 'Come Together' They are both George. 

He does share the lead with George on 'Long Tall Sally'

 

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Von Bontee
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15 August 2013 - 12.41am

OK, thanks for the correction! I meant "Honey Pie" rather than "Savoy Truffle"

I didn't know about "Long Tall Sally" either. George plays the second solo, right? I like that one.

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15 August 2013 - 1.05am

Von Bontee said
OK, thanks for the correction! I meant "Honey Pie" rather than "Savoy Truffle"

I didn't know about "Long Tall Sally" either. George plays the second solo, right? I like that one.

Yes. George does the second solo.

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15 August 2013 - 8.37am

Isn't there some contention about whether John or George plays the Hey Bulldog solo?

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Ron Nasty
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15 August 2013 - 8.50am

There is some disagreement. My feeling is that George played the lead guitar on the basic track, with John on piano, while John later overdubbed the dirty middle eight solo - it just sounds more John to me.

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Ben Ramon
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15 August 2013 - 9.16am

In a way I'd like the solo to be John - it has his tone all over it and would count as one of his more technically impressive lead contributions.

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15 August 2013 - 11.31am

Though it doesn't really have a lead per se, "The Ballad Of John And Yoko" as well (on which neither George nor Ringo played at all, of course).

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15 August 2013 - 5.30pm

Hey Bulldog sounds like John to me. John also plays the solo on Matchbox.

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15 August 2013 - 5.39pm

meanmistermustard said
Hey Bulldog sounds like John to me. John also plays the solo on Matchbox.

'Matchbox' is George but I believe 'Slow Down' is John

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15 August 2013 - 10.15pm

Inner Light said

meanmistermustard said
Hey Bulldog sounds like John to me. John also plays the solo on Matchbox.

'Matchbox' is George but I believe 'Slow Down' is John

Oh, I had the Live At The BBC version in my head with Ringo's call to John.

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15 August 2013 - 10.54pm

I think it's George, and the Bible says so too, but on some places on the internet people claim it's John who plays the lead. Talking about the album/EP/whatever version.

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15 August 2013 - 11.12pm

If it's a Carl Perkin's song, you can bet it's George on Lead Guitar. He loved Carl.

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16 August 2013 - 12.34am

I wonder why John played lead at the bbc then, why it was switched at some point, plus ive also read he played lead at the Star Club.

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16 August 2013 - 4.00am

I actually watched a video on YouTube of a guy who basically put together all his thoughts on the solo for Hey Bulldog. He concluded it was George who played it, but John who wrote the solo; he did write many of their most iconic riffs, after all. 

I support the theory that George played it; even Geoff Emerick admits George played it, after writing about how they let Paul do Taxman because they felt George's songs weren't worth that much time.

John also played lead on Too Much Monkey Business; and didn't he play the opening on Every Little Thing or something? 

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