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John Lennon's lost "Rock 'n' Roll" follow-up
25 August 2014
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Hi, everyone!

Several places on the Internet mention the never-materialized John Lennon ’s follow-up to “Rock ‘n’ Roll” album. Supposedly, it would have been named “Between the Lines”. Also, in the French TV interview from March 1975 John says that he is “going to record an album in 10 days”. Does somebody have some informations on this topic? Thank you very much! :)

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I also heard him mention a follow up album on the Grey Whistle interview in '75 I believe but I think it was a follow up to Walls And Bridges . I couldn't find much information through Google because there is a bootleg album titled that with all his recording from 75-80 while he was a house husband at the Dakota. I think he was also possibly working on a musical to be titled The Ballad Of John And Yoko

"Lennon and McCartney last saw each other on April 24th, 1976, when they watched Saturday Night Live as producer Lorne Michaels offered the Beatles a whopping $3,000 to reunite on the show. They briefly considered heading to Rockefeller Center where the show was being performed, as a gag. The two last spoke on the phone in early 1980.
Before deciding to take a five-year sabbatical from recording, Lennon was composing material for a 1976 album tentatively titled Between The Lines."

The website also stated, "About a half hour of videotape exists of Lennon performing live at the Hit Factory recording studios on August 19th, 1980, but it has never been aired publicly. In addition to then-current numbers such as "(Just Like) Starting Over" and "I'm Losing You ," Lennon and his band perform covers of Eddie Cochran's "C'mon Everybody," Bobby Darin's "Dream Lover, " Maurice Williams & the Zodiacs' "Stay," and the Beatles' "She's A Woman ." 

I would give an arm to see that video anyone have information on that? This could prolly full under another topic but since I stumbled upon it researching this question figured I'd post it here. Website I found this information on is http://www.wimz.com/john-lenno.....fast-facts .

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Musketeer Gripweed (kezron9) said
"Lennon and McCartney last saw each other on April 24th, 1976, when they watched Saturday Night Live as producer Lorne Michaels offered the Beatles a whopping $3,000 to reunite on the show. They briefly considered heading to Rockefeller Center where the show was being performed, as a gag. The two last spoke on the phone in early 1980.
Before deciding to take a five-year sabbatical from recording, Lennon was composing material for a 1976 album tentatively titled Between The Lines."

@Musketeer Gripweed I know you're quoting a website here, but John and Paul's last meeting is a matter of huge conjecture and argument.

John stated in his final round of interviews that it was 1976. Paul has never said, refused to be drawn on it.

However, there are reports of meetings in 1978 and early 1980. And a McCartney has spoken who throws huge doubt on the 1976 date, James.

James was born in September 1977, and has said in interview, "I know John held me as a baby. Then I have memories of the Dakota building, very white, lots of sunlight pouring in."

Given John was painting an image in his last interviews about his life, and Paul has refused to say for whatever reason, James' words have to be taken seriously. I believe their last meeting was in early 1980, when Paul stopped off in New York on his way to those ill-fated Japan dates. There are unreliable witnesses who say a meeting happened around that time, and James' words seem to support that.

There is only one way James has a memory of John holding him, and that's if John and Paul met after September 1977.

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Ron Nasty said

Musketeer Gripweed (kezron9) said
"Lennon and McCartney last saw each other on April 24th, 1976, when they watched Saturday Night Live as producer Lorne Michaels offered the Beatles a whopping $3,000 to reunite on the show. They briefly considered heading to Rockefeller Center where the show was being performed, as a gag. The two last spoke on the phone in early 1980.
Before deciding to take a five-year sabbatical from recording, Lennon was composing material for a 1976 album tentatively titled Between The Lines."

@Musketeer Gripweed I know you're quoting a website here, but John and Paul's last meeting is a matter of huge conjecture and argument.

John stated in his final round of interviews that it was 1976. Paul has never said, refused to be drawn on it.

However, there are reports of meetings in 1978 and early 1980. And a McCartney has spoken who throws huge doubt on the 1976 date, James.

James was born in September 1977, and has said in interview, "I know John held me as a baby. Then I have memories of the Dakota building, very white, lots of sunlight pouring in."

Given John was painting an image in his last interviews about his life, and Paul has refused to say for whatever reason, James' words have to be taken seriously. I believe their last meeting was in early 1980, when Paul stopped off in New York on his way to those ill-fated Japan dates. There are unreliable witnesses who say a meeting happened around that time, and James' words seem to support that.

There is only one way James has a memory of John holding him, and that's if John and Paul met after September 1977.

Yeah I mean the information I was quoting that for was for The Between the Lines album it just happened to be at the bottom of that quote. If it happened after 1976 it was low key. From some of the books I read from Fred Seaman and John Green there tarot reader they don't make mentions of a meeting, but they were really working for Yoko and busy many times doing other things. I know Fred's mentioned Paul calling him in January when he was in NY to smoke some really good weed. John might of said '76 if there really was a meeting he didn't want Yoko or the world to be aware of. Might be the reason why Paul hasn't commented.Paul mentioned a phone call was the last time they talked but I think that was in the summer or fall of 1980. I mean I don't have any memories really from age 2 or 3 but suppose its different for everyone.  

What information is there supporting a possible '78 meeting just curious? 

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@Musketeer Gripweed As I said, much is open to conjecture and argument. Until, and it seems unlikely, Paul decides to talk about his last meetings with John, that's all it can be.

The 1978 meeting I would guess is based on the story of Paul turning up, and John telling him he had the baby and he couldn't just turn up, but needed to ring and make arrangements. What John didn't say is if he did just that, went back to his hotel, picked up the phone and asked John when was good.

That's my assumption about that story. It is a date given, and would fit with John's story about telling Paul he couldn't just drop in.

I do have belief in an early 1980 meeting though. James' quote is an interesting one, and at 15-16 months old, many people have memories from that kind of age, and Paul has never contradicted James.

At some stage maybe the truth will emerge, but I don't believe they last met up in 1976, and the James quote points to a later meeting.

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@Musketeer Gripweed As I said, much is open to conjecture and argument. Until, and it seems unlikely, Paul decides to talk about his last meetings with John, that's all it can be.

The 1978 meeting I would guess is based on the story of Paul turning up, and John telling him he had the baby and he couldn't just turn up, but needed to ring and make arrangements. What John didn't say is if he did just that, went back to his hotel, picked up the phone and asked John when was good.

That's my assumption about that story. It is a date given, and would fit with John's story about telling Paul he couldn't just drop in.

I do have belief in an early 1980 meeting though. James' quote is an interesting one, and at 15-16 months old, many people have memories from that kind of age, and Paul has never contradicted James.

At some stage maybe the truth will emerge, but I don't believe they last met up in 1976, and the James quote points to a later meeting.

Yeah I hope they did meet up in early 1980. Oh right I remember John mentioning Paul popping up unannounced in either Playboy or Rolling Stone interview I think. I remember in Johns Greens book Dakota Days everything taken with a grain of salt that John was very upset Paul was arrested in Japan and watching what was happening intensely. I think if they did get together it might have happened when Yoko and employees were out of the house. Would also explain why he said different year.I have read Fred Seamans and John Green's books already. My problem with those books is they make it seem as though he wasn't writing or recording anything and as having writers block. I know he was having some writing issues but was working on it they make it seem as though he wasn't even playing music. Which obviously isn't true, so I believe there is much that we will never know from that period. Any book recommendations on information for his final years? Just got Skywriting by Word of Mouth. I know it basically chronicles him and Yoko's relationship and some of his early 70's activities. Just thought it would be a good idea to read since was written during his Dakota retirement.  I believe Ringo was actually the last to have seen John I think he stopped by in the fall of 1980. 

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I really hope Paul saw John in 1980… After so many years of partnership and a friendship that can be called brotherhood, if I were Paul and I hadn’t seen John for four years before his death guilt would be gnawing at me.

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I don't know a date, but I heard Paul say in an interview that he stopped by The Dakota and made amends with John before his death. Supposedly, John patted him on the shoulder as he left, and said "Think of me every now and then, old friend." Paul cried (for the first time after John's death) when he heard the song "My Old Friend," written in tribute to John by Carl Perkins, because the chorus coincidentally contained a line very similar to what John had said.

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I don't know a date, but I heard Paul say in an interview that he stopped by The Dakota and made amends with John before his death. Supposedly, John patted him on the shoulder as he left, and said "Think of me every now and then, old friend." Paul cried (for the first time after John's death) when he heard the song "My Old Friend," written in tribute to John by Carl Perkins, because the chorus coincidentally contained a line very similar to what John had said.

Yeah a very extreme coincidence. I think Carl was saying thank you to Paul because he was staying at Paul and working on his new album. Carl and Paul thought Carl channeled a message because of that exact line you mentioned. They made a special about the song and during a segment Carl is speaking and his wife interrupts and says you have a phone call its Paul McCartney ! The documentary is below. But yeah Paul and John were on good terms again. I know on December 8th 1980 he hitched a ride to the studio with his interviewer from earlier in the day. In the car the interviewer asked him about him and Paul. I think Johns answer was that they were like brothers with great love for each other. Also at the end of when all the business issues were worked out and time as passed John said he would do anything for Paul if asked and believed Paul would do anything for him.

*Edit* I think this is one of the last things Carl worked on before he passed away. Avery good special. Happy they got it made before he passed away. R.I.P. Carl one of the founding fathers of rock!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....6vWgXS3M 

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I don't know a date, but I heard Paul say in an interview that he stopped by The Dakota and made amends with John before his death. Supposedly, John patted him on the shoulder as he left, and said "Think of me every now and then, old friend." Paul cried (for the first time after John's death) when he heard the song "My Old Friend," written in tribute to John by Carl Perkins, because the chorus coincidentally contained a line very similar to what John had said.

For the first time, really? It’s the first time I think of Paul as a cold-hearted man. I would have thought he had cried immediately after hearing the news. Can anybody confirm this?

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^ he could just be emotionaly reserved and did his crying in private. He seemed like the kinda person to try to put his best face forward for the public

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There's that interview on the day of John's death where they caught Paul outside of the studio and all Paul said about it was "Drag, isn't it?"

This is not where I first saw it, but here is an article where Linda is quoted as saying Paul waited three months to cry about it:

http://www.sfgate.com/entertai.....972892.php

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Paul's "Its a drag" comment was from someone utterly lost, confused and devastated having a camera shoved in his face and going to his default setting, it was also one that he regretted the moment he said it. Its just a shame it was caught on camera.

It annoys me that folk dig it up and beat Paul with it and use it to portray him as a sick, heartless bastard.

And let it be known that i know thats not what Expert Texpert is doing here.

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Paul's "Its a drag" comment was from someone utterly lost, confused and devastated having a camera shoved in his face and going to his default setting, it was also one that he regretted the moment he said it. Its just a shame it was caught on camera.

It annoys me that folk dig it up and beat Paul with it and use it to portray him as a sick, heartless bastard.

And let it be known that i know thats not what Expert Texpert is doing here.

Paul's clarified on more than one occasion, after he was more comfortable speaking publicly about his feelings, how he's not one to show much emotion and "prefers to weep in private", as he explained to David Frost.  The quote by Linda posted above does conflict with Paul's version that he wept that evening (after his "work day" on December 9) but it's most understandable if he doesn't remember it correctly for like countless others, time kinda stood still for awhile in the Winter of 1980, and even Sir Paul is human like the rest of us, "cold-hearted" or "heartless"?  The Press would love to have us believe that so that we can keep swallowing the eggs that they sling our way everyday, but those who actually know Paul McCartney paint a very different picture.  I actually think that it's good and not "a shame it was caught on camera" for you can clearly see that Paul's becoming increasingly annoyed by the Press and inching his way through the mob which explains his abrupt tone to them, if it was just audio only then people's imaginations would've been a little wilder on the reasoning, in my opinion..:-)

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Oudis said

Expert Textpert said
I don't know a date, but I heard Paul say in an interview that he stopped by The Dakota and made amends with John before his death. Supposedly, John patted him on the shoulder as he left, and said "Think of me every now and then, old friend." Paul cried (for the first time after John's death) when he heard the song "My Old Friend," written in tribute to John by Carl Perkins, because the chorus coincidentally contained a line very similar to what John had said.

For the first time, really? It’s the first time I think of Paul as a cold-hearted man. I would have thought he had cried immediately after hearing the news. Can anybody confirm this?

I know Paul mentioned that on the 9th that night he cried in bed with his family. I dont know the exact interview but I know he said that. Who knows if he literally cried or what happened that night. I also know he said he cried while writing Here Today . I know Carl was working on Tug Of War  in February of '81. I am not sure if Here Today was written before or after this incident. Also it was Linda saying that to Carl so its possible Carl added the first time or if Linda said it wrong but I can't imagine it being the first time he cried. I think she was just trying to let Carl know that he obviously wasn't over it and might of been working on music to try to avoid his feelings towards it all and that Carl reminded him to face his emotions.

Edit* She also might of meant that it was the first time he cried since the day it happened. Meaning he cried that day and then was running from it all by working on album.

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