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28 November 2023
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Have you guys heard the theory that the song is directed at least in part toward Paul?  He does cleverly insert "Here, There, and Everywhere" into one of the verses:

"Why in the world are we here?  Surely not to live in pain and fear.  Why on earth are you there, when you're everywhere?"

Some say the "darling" in the lyric is a reference to Paul's song "Oh, Darling".  And to stretch it a bit further, John also says "fools like me" which could be another reference to a Paul song "Fool on the Hill".  

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28 November 2023
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Hummmm...something to ponder, @forn.

Who on earth d'you think you are / A super star? Well right, you are (yeah, Paul was a super star) / Well, we all shine on (the Beatles bright light)

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forn said

Some say the "darling" in the lyric is a reference to Paul's song "Oh, Darling".  And to stretch it a bit further, John also says "fools like me" which could be another reference to a Paul song "Fool on the Hill".  

  

Not that I fully agree with your theory (interesting and plausible though it is), but it's mayve worth further noting that John falsely claimed "I told you about The Fool On The Hill ...", when we all know that was actually Paul. (But John also claimed at separate times that both he and Paul were the Walrus, so John's an unreliable narrator...)

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Hummmm...something to ponder, @forn.

Who on earth d'you think you are / A super star? Well right, you are (yeah, Paul was a super star) / Well, we all shine on (the Beatles bright light)

  

That line has often made me think of Paul, but whether that was John's intention, who can say?

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29 November 2023
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I think this song was intended to be more universal, almost like Piggies , directed at selfish, rich, self absorbed people in high society, government, and the industry he was a part of. Perhaps he considered Paul a part of that, and his personal feelings informed the song in a few ways, but I have doubts that this a directly targeted toward Paul. 

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29 November 2023
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I think you can make most John songs relate to Paul thru linking words to song titles, themes, ideas or pieces of lyrics. People are willing to look far too hard for connections which they then make into  theories which are almost presented as fact. 

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29 November 2023
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forn said
Have you guys heard the theory that the song is directed at least in part toward Paul?  He does cleverly insert "Here, There, and Everywhere" into one of the verses:

"Why in the world are we here?  Surely not to live in pain and fear.  Why on earth are you there, when you're everywhere?"

Some say the "darling" in the lyric is a reference to Paul's song "Oh, Darling".  And to stretch it a bit further, John also says "fools like me" which could be another reference to a Paul song "Fool on the Hill".  

  

It could be directed toward John Lennon himself a-hard-days-night-ringo-13

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I don’t think it’s a dig at Paul, and the thought has never entered my mind at all until this conversation.

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Question for y'all: Does anyone else think the drums on this song sound like bongos? I am not suggesting that they necessarily were physical bongos, perhaps just that the drums sound as if they were.

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Question for y'all: Does anyone else think the drums on this song sound like bongos? I am not suggesting that they necessarily were physical bongos, perhaps just that the drums sound as if they were.

  

I never thought of that.  I have a background in Latin percussion and know bongos well, but I've also heard many songs over the years that use very tight sounding tom-toms on the drumset, and I always just assumed that's what Lennon used.

I'd say they sort of sound bongo-ish.

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They maybe sound a bit bongo-ish at points, yeah, especially during those big elaborate fills. I think Sea Belt is right about Alan White playing on super-tight toms (I am not a drummer), and the ton of echo that Spector added making them sound really extra unusual. 

I think Phil was one of the most overpraised producers in history (aside from being a despicable human), but he always captured huge, booming drum sounds (or his engineers did), that's something he was great at.

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GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Thr drums are really heavily processed, and is apparently pretty influential. I think they're a little darker than I would like but they sound good on the song. Lots has been written about the drums on this song, here's an interesting link I found on them. 

https://reverb.com/news/video-.....that-sound

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14 February 2025
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Much as I love this track as is and believe it is one of the few things Spector didn't make worse or ruin there are early takes out there that Paul and Ringo could use to make this a full Beatles track while they can, stripping out all but John and George. I can but dream...

14 February 2025
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I personally don't need to hear any more "Beatles songs" recorded after the 1960s, thanks

Paul: Yeah well… first of all, we’re bringing out a ‘Stamp Out Detroit’ campaign.

         

14 February 2025
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I cannot wait until about 39 years time when we get a completely 'new' Beatles taking bits of everything unconnected from everywhere, all pieced together by the marvels of technology to give some impression of a 'classic' Beatles track. 

There is an interview by John where when asked about a reunion he says something along the lines of didn't The Beatles give enough, if fans want to reminisce they have the records. Everyone longed for a reunion, finally we got it 25 years later in the 90's and everyone went a little mad again, we then got the last unfinished track another 28 years later. Can we now please let it go? Enjoy what we have and what remains without needing to create more.

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Subsequently found someone has already attempted it - not AI, bits of Beatles mashed together, Ringo from I Me Mine . Needs some fills for sure, but who needs to wait 39 years?

 

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Fans have been creating Beatlised versions of solo tracks for years, the 'Instant Karma ' posted is nothing new. AI just helps make the entire process far easier and the results more believable and less crap sounding.

When I said 39 years I meant Apple, or whatever organisation is operating the Beatles music at the time, creating an official 'new' single from stray baselines, guitar drops, a single snare wack and re-appropriated studio mumblings.

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