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John Lennon Quotes About Reincarnation?
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13 May 2013 - 7.42pm

fabfouremily said
^^^ Why are you not surprised?

Because their lives and their death are both similar.  Both were rich, widely known, public figures who were adored, and they were both assassinated by members of the public who were asking them for things outside their own homes...in Yasuda's case, a donation.  In John's case, an autograph.  It just makes sense to me, especially if John felt the connection.

I wonder if Yasuda's death brought about the end of an era in the way that John's did...I don't know much about Japanese history.

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13 May 2013 - 7.59pm

fabfouremily said
^^^ Why are you not surprised?

Actually it' s not weird to see people sharing the same birthdays with their most recent past life self or that their birthday is the day they died in a past life. And this with people that were not famous in a past life. However, what would be interesting to know is how John felt about Japan before he thought he was Yasuda.

 

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fabfouremily said
^^^ Why are you not surprised?

Actually it' s not weird to see people sharing the same birthdays with their most recent past life self or that their birthday is the day they died in a past life. And this with people that were not famous in a past life. However, what would be interesting to know is how John felt about Japan before he thought he was Yasuda.

 

I don't know how he felt about Japan but he always had a fantasy of a high-cheekboned, dark-haired artist woman, and he had a thing for Asian women (I've seen his preference for Asians described as a fetish, although I don't remember where I read that).

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13 May 2013 - 8.09pm

I think the coincidence is even more interesting when you remember that Sean shared the same birthday as John and Yasuda...not saying that Sean is the reincarnation of anyone, just--what are the odds of that?

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13 May 2013 - 8.29pm

John and Sean being born the same day is a pretty remarkable coincidence. I can't see how any of it supports a reincarnation fantasy, though, even if I believed in such a thing. Like, are incarnations believed to share dates of birth? I thought it was all about the birth of one coinciding with the death of another. And are the life events of the previous incarnation expected to re-enact themselves in a future one? That kinda defeats the purpose of the whole exercise, I think!

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13 May 2013 - 8.37pm

Von Bontee said
John and Sean being born the same day is a pretty remarkable coincidence. I can't see how any of it supports a reincarnation fantasy, though, even if I believed in such a thing. Like, are incarnations believed to share dates of birth? I thought it was all about the birth of one coinciding with the death of another. And are the life events of the previous incarnation expected to re-enact themselves in a future one? That kinda defeats the purpose of the whole exercise, I think!

I' ve been interested in reincarnation for quite some time and participate in various places online. Incarnations are not supposed to share a birthday or a death day, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn' t, same as physical appereance. It they have it, the case is somewhat stronger, if they don' t, they don' t. The important thing is what they remember of their previous lives. Even though the events are not expected to re-enact themselves there are patterns that the person might follow, always choose the same field of work, or even die young could be patterns, or be left be lovers, or experience the death of somebody close, I don' t know, it depends on the person, but those could be examples.

Anyways, wasn' t Sean just born on John' s birthday because Yoko scheduled a c-section on that day?

 

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13 May 2013 - 8.44pm

Spectre said

Von Bontee said
John and Sean being born the same day is a pretty remarkable coincidence. I can't see how any of it supports a reincarnation fantasy, though, even if I believed in such a thing. Like, are incarnations believed to share dates of birth? I thought it was all about the birth of one coinciding with the death of another. And are the life events of the previous incarnation expected to re-enact themselves in a future one? That kinda defeats the purpose of the whole exercise, I think!

I' ve been interested in reincarnation for quite some time and participate in various places online. Incarnations are not supposed to share a birthday or a death day, sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn' t, same as physical appereance. It they have it, the case is somewhat stronger, if they don' t, they don' t. The important thing is what they remember of their previous lives. Even though the events are not expected to re-enact themselves there are patterns that the person might follow, always choose the same field of work, or even die young could be patterns, or be left be lovers, or experience the death of somebody close, I don' t know, it depends on the person, but those could be examples.

Anyways, wasn' t Sean just born on John' s birthday because Yoko scheduled a c-section on that day?

 

I didn't know that about a c-section.  Anyway, yes, when people reincarnate, the incarnating soul carries with it certain karmic patterns that can repeat if the lessons they need to learn have not been learned.  The body type can be the same as well as certain abilities, interests, character flaws, etc.

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14 May 2013 - 4.35pm

The planned birth date has been a rumour for some years, but I've never seen any evidence for it. AFAIK he didn't reunite with Yoko until February 1975, which would - assuming they conceived Sean immediately* - have put the due date somewhere in November. Now, I know the Lennons were very rich and used to getting their way, but would they really be able to schedule a pre-term c-section for no reason other than "It's John's birthday"? I can't help but doubt it.

I live in the UK. It wouldn't happen here, but I've no idea what medical professionals in 1970s America would have allowed the super rich to get away with.

My understanding is that Yoko was encouraged to have the c-section due to her age and previous miscarriages. She'd spent several days in hospital before the birth. I doubt they were hanging around for John's birthday, though it's a nice idea.

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The planned birth date has been a rumour for some years, but I've never seen any evidence for it. AFAIK he didn't reunite with Yoko until February 1975, which would - assuming they conceived Sean immediately* - have put the due date somewhere in November. Now, I know the Lennons were very rich and used to getting their way, but would they really be able to schedule a pre-term c-section for no reason other than "It's John's birthday"? I can't help but doubt it.

I live in the UK. It wouldn't happen here, but I've no idea what medical professionals in 1970s America would have allowed the super rich to get away with.

My understanding is that Yoko was encouraged to have the c-section due to her age and previous miscarriages. She'd spent several days in hospital before the birth. I doubt they were hanging around for John's birthday, though it's a nice idea.

I would think that would be dangerous especially cause of the technology back then, but then again...I'm not a doctor and I have no kids. 

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14 May 2013 - 6.06pm

This Western attraction to reincarnation (and other Eastern ideas) is amusing, when one considers that in Buddhism, reincarnation is precisely a bad thing to escape: reincarnation in that perspective is the continuing imprisonment of the "self" in the karmic wheel, delaying the freedom from karma that is the true goal.

 

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14 May 2013 - 6.21pm

Funny Paper said
This Western attraction to reincarnation (and other Eastern ideas) is amusing, when one considers that in Buddhism, reincarnation is precisely a bad thing to escape: reincarnation in that perspective is the continuing imprisonment of the "self" in the karmic wheel, delaying the freedom from karma that is the true goal.

 

Yes, that's true.  Also, Buddhists don't believe that you necessarily come back as a human every time.  However, the Western tradition teaches that souls evolve and reincarnate along a chain of being...there is an old saying that goes "First the stone, then the plant, then the animal, and finally the man."

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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Funny Paper said
This Western attraction to reincarnation (and other Eastern ideas) is amusing, when one considers that in Buddhism, reincarnation is precisely a bad thing to escape: reincarnation in that perspective is the continuing imprisonment of the "self" in the karmic wheel, delaying the freedom from karma that is the true goal.
 

Yes, that's true.  Also, Buddhists don't believe that you necessarily come back as a human every time.  However, the Western tradition teaches that souls evolve and reincarnate along a chain of being...there is an old saying that goes "First the stone, then the plant, then the animal, and finally the man."

But the reincarnation into any one of those beings could be repeated several times (i.e., a "soul" could be locked into coming back successively several times not only from lower beings to higher beings, but also as the same level of being, e.g., as several different humans).

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Funny Paper said
This Western attraction to reincarnation (and other Eastern ideas) is amusing, when one considers that in Buddhism, reincarnation is precisely a bad thing to escape: reincarnation in that perspective is the continuing imprisonment of the "self" in the karmic wheel, delaying the freedom from karma that is the true goal.
 

Yes, that's true.  Also, Buddhists don't believe that you necessarily come back as a human every time.  However, the Western tradition teaches that souls evolve and reincarnate along a chain of being...there is an old saying that goes "First the stone, then the plant, then the animal, and finally the man."

But the reincarnation into any one of those beings could be repeated several times (i.e., a "soul" could be locked into coming back successively several times not only from lower beings to higher beings, but also as the same level of being, e.g., as several different humans).

Yes...and then you would keep coming back as a human until you no longer need to reincarnate...then you could choose to come back and help others (like a boddhisattva), or guide humanity as an "ascended master."  That's the western hermetic/occult teaching anyway.

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28 May 2013 - 3.02pm

Here's two quotes that would have been nice for the article, from September, 1980:

1. "Well, you're asking why we met [John and Yoko].  I mean, I don't know.  It's like asking why you were born.  I can give you theories of karmic pasts and things like that, but I've no idea why."

2. "It's like what they say about karma.  If you don't get it right in this lifetime, you have to come back and go through it again.  Well, those laws that are sort of cosmically talked about, accepted or not but talked about, apply down to the most minute detail of life, too.  It's like 'Instant Karma,' which is my way of saying it, right?  It's not just some big cosmic thing, although it's that as well, but it's also the small things, like your life here and your relationship with the person you want to live with and be with.  There are laws governing that relationship, too.  You can either give up halfway up the hill and say, 'I don't want to climb the mountain, it's too tough, I'm going to go back to the bottom and start again,' or you can do it this time."

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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''You can either give up halfway up the hill and say, 'I don't want to climb the mountain, it's too tough, I'm going to go back to the bottom and start again,' or you can do it this time."

I love this - could be applied to my life right now. I sometimes forget what a wise man John was.

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fabfouremily said
''You can either give up halfway up the hill and say, 'I don't want to climb the mountain, it's too tough, I'm going to go back to the bottom and start again,' or you can do it this time."

I love this - could be applied to my life right now. I sometimes forget what a wise man John was.

I'm glad you found the quote encouraging.  I like to think that Yoko was very wise, and helped John to be who he really was.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death." --John Lennon

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