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John Lennon and Jesus
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In 1966, John said the Beatles were more popular than Jesus. This was taken out of context. It was my cousin, Tommy Charles, a DJ in Birmingham, that read the quote in a magazine and started the country in a frenzy to burn Beatle albums in bon fires all over the country. I was only 16 at the time, a Beatle fan (and still am), and met with him in Chattanooga when he drove up to visit family after John had apologized to him. He told me it was a publicity stunt. I was pretty upset, as this caused much turmoil. John later said in an interview that he also thought it was a publicity stunt. Good for John! Good for the Beatles! Catch the interviews on You tube.a-hard-days-night-john-2a-hard-days-night-john-2

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I have the copy of Datebook, the teen magazine you're referring to in which the article appeared. It's signed by Lennon, and he signed it John C Lennon, C not being his middle initial.

When I have a moment, I'll post it.

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Holy moly, rcurrey, I was just reading about your cousin.a-hard-days-night-paul-2

"Now and then, though, someone does begin to grow differently. Instead of down, his feet grow up toward the sky. But we do our best to discourage awkward things like that."

"What happens to them?" insisted Milo.

"Oddly enough, they often grow ten times the size of everyone else," said Alec thoughtfully, "and I’ve heard that they walk among the stars."

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Well lets just be glad that notging bad happened to those craven peoples, because had they done not that it could have been bad maybe.

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Wow, a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 so your cousin was partly at fault there, rcurrey? Don't know what to think about that... The whole "Jesus" thing just makes me incredibly annoyed, it's obvious John was right about what he said, obvious the thing was taken out of its context, obvious that John's religiousness or lack of it wouldn't be any teenager's "downfall" because they didn't even know about his so-called paganism. Just makes me realize how easily people are lead by others 

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Still makes me laugh that many of the folks who burnt their lps would go out after and buy them again. Wouldnt surprise me if people bought them to burn. 

People do strange things.

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meanmistermustard said
Still makes me laugh that many of the folks who burnt their lps would go out after and buy them again. Wouldnt surprise me if people bought them to burn. 

People do strange things.

Well, I believe it was George who said "they have to buy them to burn them."

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With Yesterday & Today having been released just weeks earlier, you have to wonder if any newly-purchased butcher sleeves or pasteovers got consumed by those bonfires.

LOL at those fools burning up record sleeves that would otherwise have been worth thousands of dollars today!

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Well I have been talking a lot about this with some friends thanks to some douchebags named Vazquez Sounds.

 

A little history: There's a band formed by 3 siblings, The Vazquez Sounds. They're just kids, and they did a cover of Rolling in the Deep that became more famous than Adele because I live in a country where people listen to crap like regeton or tribal. So the kids became a national sensation.

 

Well, Yoko Ono invited with a personal letter to the Vazquez Sounds to record Imagine to promote the non violence organizartion.. and it seems the kids said no because of the line "no religion" and they're deeply Catholic. Somebody must have told them it was not wise to refuse such invitation so now they say they're "honored" to be part of the project.

 

What a bunch of douchebags. And not because refusing to sing the song, but for the reason. Last year a local band played My Sweet Lord in a local Catholic school, and the nuns didn't chant "The power of Jesus compels you" and threw them water when they sang the Hare Krishna line. a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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9 May 2012
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Call me crazy but my brother and I have a running wink that John IS the 2nd coming of Christ and he gave us clues all along but we were at church and synagogue and mosque and missed it. At the very least the similarities are astounding.  J.L. died at age 40, about the same as J.C. He said  "The way things are going they're going to..."  and in Come Together  he repeatedly says "shoot me" Like Jesus predicting his pending death at the last supper.  Jesus was betrayed with a kiss by his disciple Judas. John by his disciple MDC with an autograph. James Taylor seems to agree when He sings "With a HOLY HOST of others standing 'round me" in Carolina In My Mind  he is referring to the Beatles.  (See Wikipedia for J.T.).  What is the difference between "Come Together...Over ME", "Imagine All the People...", "All You Need Is Love...", etc and most of what Jesus was saying in his day?   He even looks like the popular images of Jesus, but we were busy making other plans.  Over the years I have seen many statements like "John is like a God to me" Even the opposition he got such as from the Jesus comment that started this thread is analogous to J.C.'s detractors like Pontious Pilot, etc.  If you have ever seen the movie John Lennon Imagine - He lets a beggar in to his home (Tittenhurst) and instead of calling the Bobbies, John offers to feed him.  In The Word He sings "I'm here to show everbody the light"

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You can read anything into anything if you look hard enough. Im sure you could get pink elephants are the greatest of all animals from I Saw Her Standing There if you wanted.

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everfine said

Call me crazy but my brother and I have a running wink that John IS the 2nd coming of Christ and he gave us clues all along but we were at church and synagogue and mosque and missed it.

Firstly, your writing style is cannily similar to John's.

Secondly, have you ever heard the song "The Fallen" by Franz Ferdinand?

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Into the Sky with Diamonds said
I have the copy of Datebook, the teen magazine you're referring to in which the article appeared. It's signed by Lennon, and he signed it John C Lennon, C not being his middle initial.

When I have a moment, I'll post it.  

Do you still have that copy of Datebook, @Into the Sky with Diamonds?

I was just reading an article about the magazine. Knowing what type of magazine it was, and it's agenda, it makes the whole story more interesting.

Here's a part of the article:

Datebook

While on Datebook’s payroll, Fields was tasked with revamping its cover for a special “Shout Out!” issue to mark the transition from bi-monthly to monthly publication. That was the issue that featured Lennon’s interview with his infamous quote, “I don’t know which will go first, Christianity or rock’n’roll!” on its cover. Even more prominent was McCartney’s tart comment on US race relations: “It’s a lousy country where anyone black is a dirty nigger!” The cover also advertised articles on LSD, the Vietnam War and the virtues of interracial dating.

This content suggests Datebook was not the “standard teenybop rag” routinely depicted in accounts of the “Jesus" controversy. Most of those accounts also erroneously accuse Datebook – Unger is seldom mentioned by name – of cynically reproducing Lennon’s controversial comments out of context and using the interview without permission.

In fact, Unger had been encouraged to use all four Beatles interviews, which were reproduced in Datebook without any significant changes, by Tony Barrow, the band’s press officer. In March 1966, Barrow wrote to Unger:

I think you might be more than interested in a series of ‘in-depth’ pieces which Maureen Cleave is doing on each Beatle for the London Evening Standard. I’m enclosing a clipping showing her piece on John Lennon; I think the style and content is very much in line with the sort of thing DATEBOOK likes to use.

Clearly, Barrow already understood Datebook’s politics. Unger had created a socially engaged magazine dedicated to challenging all manner of prejudice, dogma, and discrimination, even as it dispensed advice about haircare, makeup and dating etiquette. The fact that Unger, like Fields, was a gay may have fuelled their determination to nurture more tolerant attitudes among Datebook’s young readers. Nowhere was Datebook’s quietly subversive agenda more clear than in the realm of race relations.

‘Segregation is a lot of rubbish’

At the height of the civil rights movement in the south, Datebook often focused on racial and religious intolerance. In 1961, for example, it asked “should you date boys of another race or religion?” and concluded that “across-the-line dating can be a healthy and desirable thing”. That same year Lillian Smith, a leading southern white racial liberal, urged Datebook’s overwhelmingly white female readers to break with the racism of an older generation. The magazine even included contact details for various civil rights groups so that readers could support the movement.

The Beatles were also aware of Unger’s liberal agenda. They first met him in 1964. Afterwards, their press office regularly supplied Datebook with news scoops and provided extensive access whenever the band toured the US. The band often proved willing accomplices in Unger’s plans. In 1965, Datebook reported a flight from Houston when drummer Ringo had “joined a circle of performers, many of whom were Negroes, and they talked about everything, including race relations, Ringo making his pro-integration feelings very clear”. Ringo insisted: “Segregation is a lot of rubbish. As far as we’re concerned, people are people, no different from each other.”

Understanding the Beatles’s links to Unger and their willingness to speak out on social issues in his magazine long before 1966, changes our perspective on the dramatic events of that summer. Suddenly, they begin to look less like the first chapter in the story of the band’s political awakening and more like an important episode in a much longer tale. Looking back through the pages, not to mention the covers, of Datebook certainly reminds us that Lennon was not the only Beatle with strong opinions on current affairs.

Fifty years on, it is time to stop casting Unger’s decision to reprint Lennon’s interview as the act of the unscrupulous owner of a “cheesy American teen magazine” out for a fast buck. Instead, we need to see it as one phase in his efforts to use Datebook to showcase progressive politics, encourage unconventional opinions, and expose all kinds of prejudice. The Beatles certainly recognised that Unger’s Datebook was very different from other teen publications. And so should we.

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A lesson in context, @Ahhh Girl, thanks a lot.

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I don't know why people made such a fuss about that comment, it was just a misunderstood statement said by somebody who I always thought was a Christian man himself, although I could be wrong about that.

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mithveaen said
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Well I have been talking a lot about this with some friends thanks to some douchebags named Vazquez Sounds.

 

A little history: There's a band formed by 3 siblings, The Vazquez Sounds. They're just kids, and they did a cover of Rolling in the Deep that became more famous than Adele because I live in a country where people listen to crap like regeton or tribal. So the kids became a national sensation.

 

Well, Yoko Ono invited with a personal letter to the Vazquez Sounds to record Imagine to promote the non violence organizartion.. and it seems the kids said no because of the line "no religion" and they're deeply Catholic. Somebody must have told them it was not wise to refuse such invitation so now they say they're "honored" to be part of the project.

 

What a bunch of douchebags. And not because refusing to sing the song, but for the reason. Last year a local band played My Sweet Lord in a local Catholic school, and the nuns didn't chant "The power of Jesus compels you" and threw them water when they sang the Hare Krishna line. a-hard-days-night-paul-10  

Those kids are more stupid than Charlie from that movie about Willy Wonka that I remember from when I was a kid. I've played tritones on one of the pianos without getting the nun's attention, and that was the late 70's which was a time where there was not nearly as much Christians who had the balls to disagree with the Holy Bible and the nuns would paddle you for something as simple as saying "I don't want to" or "I don't agree with that verse".

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