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joshthenesnerd said
it's not the way she pronounces english, i just don't think she can sing well. and it sounds like she's just screaming and not even scream-singing.

  

She doesn’t scream through We’re All Water. I think you must be prejudiced in some way. 

Do you always only listen to singers who have perfect pitch?

Does it bother you more when a woman is off pitch?

"This Beatles talk bores me to death.” —John Lennon 

15 March 2019
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i was mostly referring to the live version of don't worry kyoko towards the end of the album. lotta shouting.

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tell you what since the live version of don't worry kyoko definitely affects my opinion of the album, i'll listen to just her songs on the album (minus the live stuff) and see if i can develop my opinion better. maybe i will appreciate it a little more. and if not i can think about my reasoning a little more.

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@joshthenesnerd thank you for being rational and open minded.

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i listened to sisters o sisters, born in a prison and we're all water. those 3 are credited to just her according to wikipedia. i took notes while i was listening to them to remember what i was thinking. before i copy-paste those notes in, i will say that after listening to them on their own from the rest of the album, i don't dislike them as much as i did.

sisters, o sisters. ok, it's pretty groovy but she needs a couple more people to harmonise with. maybe not a criticism of her singing, but just on the song over all.

 

born in a prison the singing feels like it is droning but the slow bluesy-jazz is nice

 

we're all water - i like the old rock and roll vibe of it. it's like it's echoing the earlier track "new york city" her singing isn't awful but i think the music around her. there's the shouting and random noises from her at about 1 minute 50 seconds in it lasts for about 20 seconds, makes me uncomfortable. comes back in at about 3 minutes 30 seconds. that's the kind of stuff i am referring to that i don't like.

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Interesting. I know that some people don't like such things and I'm trying to figure out what makes me different from a person that doesn't like them.

When I hear Yoko make those sounds I hear raw emotion. I actually hear a lot of different emotions at once. It is funny, sad, angry, and maybe other things too. But mostly I think it is just awesome that she would do something so random.

I don't know, but I'm guessing that people who are made uncomfortable by Yoko's vocal sounds probably don't think outside the box too much, like to follow rules, and enjoy music that makes them feel calm and serene. Am I off the mark?

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Interesting. I know that some people don't like such things and I'm trying to figure out what makes me different from a person that doesn't like them.

Everyone's tastes are different, I suppose. I mean, there are people who don't like the Beatles, which I personally don't understand... but they're entitled to their opinions, I suppose.

When I hear Yoko make those sounds I hear raw emotion. I actually hear a lot of different emotions at once. It is funny, sad, angry, and maybe other things too. But mostly I think it is just awesome that she would do something so random.

If by "those sounds" you mean the screaming, you're absolutely right. It's just that I don't like the sound. I'm like a dog; loud noises scare me.

I don't know, but I'm guessing that people who are made uncomfortable by Yoko's vocal sounds probably don't think outside the box too much, like to follow rules, and enjoy music that makes them feel calm and serene. Am I off the mark?

  

If by "vocal sounds" you mean talking/singing, this doesn't apply to me. If you're referring to the screaming, I don't know about the first two but I enjoy different kinds of music. Sure, I like music like Imagine and Give Me Love, but I also like stuff like Art Of Dying and Helter Skelter and Pablo Picasso. 

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By "vocal sounds" I mean the screaming/weird sounds.

These sounds tend to bother a certain type of person so much that he is usually unwilling to admit that Yoko Ono actually does anything besides making these sounds.

When confronted with the notion that she uses words and actually sings them, this sort of person will gloss over those facts and turn the conversation back around to the screaming.

I suspect that there is some other reason besides the screaming that this type of person doesn't like Yoko Ono, and that they are using the screaming as an easy way to explain why they don't like her.

Their thought process is probably something like this (the following statements are me imagining I am such a person):

I don't like Yoko Ono because she is a Japanese woman. She is a bitch and she should keep her mouth shut. I wish her songs were not on John Lennon 's albums at all. She broke up the Beatles and she thinks she is actually an artist but she's not. How could she want equal billing with a man? How preposterous. However, I know that it is socially unacceptable for me to express these thoughts because people will say I am a misogynist. Therefore, I will instead attack that weird screaming sound that she makes and pretend this is the reason I don't like her. And I will pretend that making this sound is the only thing she ever does.

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When I hear Yoko make those sounds I hear raw emotion. I actually hear a lot of different emotions at once. It is funny, sad, angry, and maybe other things too.

that's an interesting viewpoint. next time i listen to her stuff i will try to go in with that mindset.

When confronted with the notion that she uses words and actually sings them, this sort of person will gloss over those facts and turn the conversation back around to the screaming.

i find it overpowers the rest of her musical work, but i probably need to try to look past it.

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