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Jack Douglas erased Lennon's Comments
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robert
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19 July 2010 - 3.01pm

Does anyone have any information or insight as to the nature of the comments Jack Douglas said he erased during the Double Fantasy sessions? Apparently these are comments John made on the day he was killed.

Anybody heard anything?

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Joe
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19 July 2010 - 4.05pm

Well apparently he's never revealed the contents, and won't speak about them. But I don't think I've even heard a quote from him verifying that the tapes were even wiped - I'm not sure where I first heard the story.

Here's some stuff about it: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/for.....40616.html

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19 July 2010 - 4.41pm

To be honest, I skimed that part. He was building up to that, yes - Yoko introducing herself to her lovers family, consulting lawyers, etc. Douglas erasing the tapes was mentioned in Behind the Music. I know I've read it somewhere too.

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20 July 2010 - 6.00am

Holy shit! That's as heavy as surprising to me, never heard of that.

I'd like to say "thank you" on behalf of the group and ourselves and I hope we passed the audition.
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A Fiendish Thingy
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20 July 2010 - 6.30pm

That's really sad. a-hard-days-night-ringo-6

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21 July 2010 - 3.47am

Can we give credit to this story? Is anything related to Goldman a lie?

I'd like to say "thank you" on behalf of the group and ourselves and I hope we passed the audition.
John Lennon

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Joe
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21 July 2010 - 7.30pm

From the Lives Of John Lennon, p682 (may be different in other editions):

Before the session ended [on 8 December 1980], during a period when Yoko was out of the studio, John leaned back against the tape machine, where he had delivered so many monologues during the past four months, and said to Jack: "Don't repeat to Yoko what I'm going to tell you." Then he went into the same rap that he had laid on Fred that night he conceived the album in Bermuda. John said that his days were numbered and that he was living on borrowed time. He didn't allude to assassination, but he appeared completely resigned to dying. He even discussed what would happen to his legend after his death, boasting that he would become much more famous than Elvis. Jack had heard Lennon speak of death before - but never with the sense of its imminence that he conveyed that night."

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21 July 2010 - 8.39pm

So this is bugging you too Joe? I can't seem to find anything concrete, but here's what I've found:

I have been working off of this thread for leads, which includes an excerpt, 

This from a Goldmine interview with Jack Douglas:

Jack Douglas: There's audio of everything, every breath that existed from day one to the last day.

Goldmine: Ono has it?

JD: No, the [tape of the] last day got tossed. I tossed the last day. Doesn't exist.

GM: What happened during the "Walking On Thin Ice" session, the night Lennon was killed?

JD: It was the end of "Walking On Thin Ice." It was the last day of
mixing, but there were things, there were some strange things said in
the control room.

GM: Like what?

JD: I don't want to talk about it. I erased the tape.

GM: Things said by Lennon?

JD: Yeah. So I erased that tape because it was a real painful tape.

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 And that's as far as I got with that. I found other articles (here, here, and here) that are worth reading, but don't address the issue. So if anyone knows about the his interviews with Goldmine or Andy Peebles , let me know.

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21 July 2010 - 11.56pm

Joe said:

From the Lives Of John Lennon, p682 (may be different in other editions):

Before the session ended [on 8 December 1980], during a period when Yoko was out of the studio, John leaned back against the tape machine, where he had delivered so many monologues during the past four months, and said to Jack: "Don't repeat to Yoko what I'm going to tell you." Then he went into the same rap that he had laid on Fred that night he conceived the album in Bermuda. John said that his days were numbered and that he was living on borrowed time. He didn't allude to assassination, but he appeared completely resigned to dying. He even discussed what would happen to his legend after his death, boasting that he would become much more famous than Elvis. Jack had heard Lennon speak of death before - but never with the sense of its imminence that he conveyed that night."


That sounds like Goldman hearing that Jack Douglas found it painful and jumping to conclusions. I mean, I could say something totally innocuous, say, "I like fuzzy bunnies," then walk out into the street and get eaten by fuzzy bunnies. It would be painful for people to think of me saying it, not because it seemed "prophetic," but because it was the last thing I said that wasn't "ouch" or "Holy crap! Carnivorous rabbits!"  

If I seem to act unkind, it's only me, it's not my mind that is confusing things.

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22 July 2010 - 2.54am

MeanMrs.Mustard said:

That sounds like Goldman hearing that Jack Douglas found it painful and jumping to conclusions. I mean, I could say something totally innocuous, say, "I like fuzzy bunnies," then walk out into the street and get eaten by fuzzy bunnies. It would be painful for people to think of me saying it, not because it seemed "prophetic," but because it was the last thing I said that wasn't "ouch" or "Holy crap! Carnivorous rabbits!"
 


 

LOL! New York's problems!

 

Jack Douglas (about Yoko's paranoid crap in heydullblog.blogspot.com): "(...) Like she tried to say the contract was a
forgery, all this really weird stuff, brought in people to say that I
... people like [Rolling Stone publisher] Jann Wenner to say that I was a
nobody, that they'd never heard of me ... and then my lawyer said "Can
we talk about how many times you've mentioned him in your magazine?"...
He made Jann read those on the stand."

 

Jann Wenner's abjectness is quite hilarious.

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John Lennon

Jack Ono Lantern
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10 October 2010 - 7.01am

Let's not put too much into Jack's recall.

The 1980's and 90's were a very blurry period for him.

His mentioned in the past that of the 3 million he got in royalties that 1 million was ear marked for drugs.

He mentioned at one point that John showed him the pictures of him and MDC the night of Dec 8.

I don't believe there was a one hour photo at the studio as these Goresh photos were not Instamatic- Polaroids.

Lennon was pictured gettin into his Limo right after the photo was taken by Goresh.

You do the math.

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Joe
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10 October 2010 - 4.55pm

Hi Jack. Welcome to the forum.

It's true that Lennon couldn't have shown JD the Paul Goresh photos. Mark Chapman himself offered Goresh $50 for a print of the snap of Lennon signing his Double Fantasy, which Goresh was to have given him the following day, but MDC did the evil deed before Goresh could do it.

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11 October 2010 - 12.19pm

Jack, while I do agree with your point in general that John most probably could not have shown a copy of that photo and shown it to Douglas, there was indeed one more photo of John taken by Paul Goresh but not of him getting into a limo.

 

That real last photo of John alive can be found on Tammy Tingle's photo blog:

 

http://beatlephotoblog.com/2006/08

 

scroll about 25% of the page down or Ctrl+F for last photo

Jack Ono Lantern
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11 October 2010 - 7.34pm

I am familiar with that photo.It has been cropped.Watch this vid and you can clearly see the limo and possibly his driver as he is about to get into it,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....NZ2ACfNg50

Goresh states.

" December 8, 1980, became a day I will always remember vividly. It was the last day I ever saw John. He said to me that evening, as he was leaving the Dakota, "I'll see you tomorrow," for we had arranged for me to show him some photos I had taken on him and Yoko on December 2, 1980. John never saw these photographs, and neither of us realized I was going to take two very important photographs that very evening — one of John and the one of the person who was to take him from us. They were the last photographs of John alive, photos of him getting into the limousine. John never saw these photographs either. I will always have the memories of the times spent with John, but this one especially. After John got into the limousine on December 8, 1980, he waved goodbye to me as the car pulled away. That wave will always be very special to me."

Did anyone ever question his limo driver?

I have never even heard who he was or what he may have said.

ochdeus
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14 October 2010 - 10.32pm

I don't think it was about Yoko because Jack hated her at points and he surely would have blabbed by now.

 

It could be he is such an idiot for throwing out tapes of John Lennon's last day- tapes worth a fortune and woul be hugely in demand today- that he justified it by making up or making himself believe he did the right thing because there were stuff on it that should never have gotten out.  I mean, John Lennon's last day in the studio would be historic and this fool throws them out.

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15 October 2010 - 2.30am

Try listening 30 years later of your final conversation with either your grandparents or your spouse
It's probably not easy
Who are you to declare Jack Douglas A fool

As if it matters how a man falls down.'

'When the fall's all that's left, it matters a great deal.

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skye
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15 October 2010 - 4.55am

In his most recent interview, he said that he and Yoko had a private memorial in the studio, just listening to all of the recordings John made there. What could have John said that night that would be so radically different from everything else? And for the life of me, I can't find a quote of Jack saying he erased it - just fans saying they read it some where... I'm starting to think it's a false memory.

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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Joe
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7 November 2010 - 3.09pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but do take the time to watch it. Jack Douglas interviewed on the day after John Lennon was shot.

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skye
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7 November 2010 - 5.09pm

There you have it. He was too concerned about his friend to worry about what history would think of the John Lennon's last recorded words.

Ad hoc, ad loc, and quid pro quo! So little time! So much to know!

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9 November 2010 - 8.40pm

I'm sorry skye but you are reading too much into this. This interview is not contributing anything to the question posed in this thread, not that it was not good to see this (it was new to me) but imho, we are where we were before.

 

Does anyone have a copy of the Goldmine interview and can confirm that the quote is in fact in there?

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