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Imagine if John had lived...
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Funny Paper
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5 January 2013 - 5.59am

Paul once remarked that if John had lived on, he might well have pursued his fiction-writing hobby more earnestly (he already had published A Spaniard in the Works and In His Own Write, two wonderfully whimsical novellas).

Other things Lennon could well have done as the 80s unfolded into the 90s and beyond:

1) star in a Woody Allen film

2) guest-host Saturday Nite Live

3) agree to George Martin persuading him to let him produce a cable TV special where John and Paul, just the two of them, banter and sing -- the show could be called "McCartney/Lennon".

4) Write a Broadway play

5) Spend 24 hours in a hotel with Bob Dylan -- musically, that is

6) Sail across the Pacific with William F. Buckley, Jr.

7) and last but not least, put out a reunion album with the other three Beatles.

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Little Piggy Dragonguy
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5 January 2013 - 6.11am

Visit his family in England. I don't understand all of that on why he couldn't do that. Why could he go to Japan, but not to England? I think The Beatles would have had at least a reunion concert, don't know about a whole album, though. Then maybe he could have died of something nicer, like cancer, or, even better than that, a brain aneurysm! Those are oftentimes so fast you don't even have time to react before the person's dead.

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5 January 2013 - 4.33pm

Funny Paper said
2) guest-host Saturday Nite Live

I've seen this suggestion elsewhere and the mind boggles with possibilities. Such as a digital short with Lonely Island. Depending on the year/caliber of writers, it could have either been an unmitigated disaster or one of the funniest episodes ever.

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Ron Nasty
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5 January 2013 - 5.48pm

I hate to imagine if Lennon hadn't been gunned down by a madman, because it just gives a thousand-and-one possibilities of what was stolen from us. The only thing I'd like to imagine John having if he'd lived would be happiness. Everything else is just what we fans would like to have seen him do. And as I said, there's a thousand-and-one possibilities... but would John have liked anything we suggested for him?

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5 January 2013 - 9.04pm

The Anthology project would have been so different if all four Beatles were alive. Instead of recording Free As A Bird and Real Love, they would've wrote something new.

"The world is a very serious and, at times, very sad place - but at other times it is all such a joke."-George Harrison

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Funny Paper
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6 January 2013 - 1.52am

mja6758 said
I hate to imagine if Lennon hadn't been gunned down by a madman, because it just gives a thousand-and-one possibilities of what was stolen from us. The only thing I'd like to imagine John having if he'd lived would be happiness. Everything else is just what we fans would like to have seen him do. And as I said, there's a thousand-and-one possibilities... but would John have liked anything we suggested for him?

He made millions thanks to us; I'd say we have the right to at least imagine.

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6 January 2013 - 11.48am

thewordislove94 said
The Anthology project would have been so different if all four Beatles were alive. Instead of recording Free As A Bird and Real Love, they would've wrote something new.

I often think what it would´ve been like had John been alive and involved (we don´t actually know he would have wanted to do it), I wonder if it would have been better, more happy, in general. I don´t know about anyone else but I detect this air of sadness when I watch Anthology, although it´s probably just in my head.

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6 January 2013 - 1.29pm

Its impossible for me to forget what happened to John when watching the Anthology simply because they had to use archive clips alongside the 90's Paul, George and Ringo especially when they are sitting around the table or in Georges garden. There is no question it would have been different but then the whole of time would have been different from December 8th 1980.

As said above we simply dont have a clue what John would have done: for all i know he would have decided music wasnt for him, moved to Scotland and lived in the Highlands breeding Highland Cows and running the local pub with a shaggy beard whilst donning a kilt. 

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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6 January 2013 - 11.08pm

Does anyone know what John was working on when it happened?

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6 January 2013 - 11.21pm

The song they were working on in the studio that night was Walking on Thin Ice. According to Wiki it was released on the 6th January 1981 and John was carrying a tape of the final mix into the Dakota when Chapman opened fire.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

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6 January 2013 - 11.44pm

Thanks. Interesting to know!

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Ron Nasty
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7 January 2013 - 5.29pm

I wasn't saying above that I would choose not to let others imagine, just that it doesn't work for me. It just makes me sad. As 1 or 2 above me have said, we don't have a clue about what would he would have wanted to do if he'd had the luxury of the life he deserved. George in his last couple of decades decide he was happier Watching The Wheels than playing the game. While I wish there was more George, I respect his choice and that he found a way for him to Carry That Weight. Who knows what way John would have found?

I disagree strongly with Funny Paper's statement about him making millions thanks to us. He made millions because of his talent. He is still discussed because of his talent, and the talent of three other young men from Liddypool. I do not think it was wrong of me to say that I cannot find pleasure in what might have happened in the decades stolen from him.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

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7 January 2013 - 7.47pm

mja6758 said I disagree strongly with Funny Paper's statement about him making millions thanks to us. He made millions because of his talent. He is still discussed because of his talent, and the talent of three other young men from Liddypool. I do not think it was wrong of me to say that I cannot find pleasure in what might have happened in the decades stolen from him.

The world has far more people with great talent who never have the good fortune to make any money at all; many suffer illness, or poverty, or a boring life of having to work doing something they hate while never being rewarded for the talent they have.  John and other celebrities who make millions doing what they love belong to a tiny percentage of people far smaller even than the "1%" all those "Occupiers" bitch about.  Such a rare Royalty should be eternally grateful for what the capitalist system has given them, routing the money of ordinary fans into their pockets to give them a life few are blessed to enjoy.  There's just no argument here.

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7 January 2013 - 11.25pm

I just do not believe that those who "make it" owe their souls to those who "made them". John could not choose to operate in a non-capitalist world, he was in the world as it is. I believe one of the reasons entertainment is increasingly bland formula mediocrity is because in a digital world there are too many people who think everything should come for free. I am eternally grateful that John, Paul, George and Ringo existed in an age where they could experiment and develop. I do not begrudge a single penny I have given them over the years, nor do I think they owe me anything more than the joy their music has brought me.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

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8 January 2013 - 12.38am

mja6758 said
I just do not believe that those who "make it" owe their souls to those who "made them". John could not choose to operate in a non-capitalist world, he was in the world as it is. I believe one of the reasons entertainment is increasingly bland formula mediocrity is because in a digital world there are too many people who think everything should come for free. I am eternally grateful that John, Paul, George and Ringo existed in an age where they could experiment and develop. I do not begrudge a single penny I have given them over the years, nor do I think they owe me anything more than the joy their music has brought me.

There's nothing I wrote that would necessarily be in conflict with your sentiments here.

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Ron Nasty
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8 January 2013 - 1.21am

Thank you. We seem to be butting heads in a few threads at the moment, but it's all in the name of love and passion, and I hope you see there is no disrespect from my side. I just have to say what I think.

Edit: !!!! Just noticed I've made it to Abbey Road!!!!

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

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Little Piggy Dragonguy
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8 January 2013 - 1.35am

Congratulations on your 100 posts in three weeks. Took me a whole year to get to 300.

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Ron Nasty
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8 January 2013 - 1.39am

Thank you for your congratulations! Think I might have lots to say! From the under-informed to the well-informed! Hope not to piss off too many people with my opinions along the way.

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

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8 January 2013 - 1.03pm

I'm reading Ken Scott's excellent autobiography at the moment. At one point he says something along the lines of: "I'm regularly asked if John would have used Autotune. The answer is yes, once, then never again. He was always interested in trying out new things but hated repeating himself."

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8 February 2013 - 6.14pm

fabfouremily said

I often think what it would´ve been like had John been alive and involved (we don´t actually know he would have wanted to do it), I wonder if it would have been better, more happy, in general. I don´t know about anyone else but I detect this air of sadness when I watch Anthology, although it´s probably just in my head.

That is so true. The whole thing leans to the bitter side of sweet. There's a sense you get in most events, even tragedies, that they're "supposed" to happen somehow. But with Lennon... that was not supposed to happen. That was a mistake and the world is cheaper for it.

Or, at least he wasn't murdered in 1965. Or 1959. Or 1940. And maybe the pain of his loss has and will inspire some truly beautiful art; I can't think of a more appropriate way to honor him.

SNL, agreed.

 

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