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If John was here today...
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I’d ask him if he thought Ringo was the best drummer in the world, or if he considered Ringo the best drummer in the Beatles.

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It try to Imagine (see what I did there) that John is still here with us one way or the other, it just saddens me too much. He died WAYYY before my mom was born but I still can’t talk about it. He had no reason to die, he was happy, and successful. The worst part is when jokes about it happen on TV shows and nobody knows I like the Beatles and I would be made fun of if anyone did so then I have to play dumb. Like last night we were watching Community and some guy is like “Get out of here and go kill John Lennon again” and I had to play dumb and be like “oh I didn’t know he was dead” just to hide that i like the beatles

His music is still pretty relevant (in my world at least) so that proves that since his music has lived on so has he. Miss you John (even though I never met you or was alive at the same time you were) <3

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That must be really hard having to go through life hiding a huge part of who you are. I’m sorry you’re going through that, Neely. Back when I was in school, liking The Beatles wasn’t seen as uncool. Lots of kids wore Beatles shirts, including myself, and I only ever got compliments on them. If anybody was judging me negatively for it, they never said anything to me. I wouldn’t have cared anyways though because I know that I am inherently superior to all the Beatles haters. 

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Little Piggy Dragonguy said
That must be really hard having to go through life hiding a huge part of who you are. I’m sorry you’re going through that, Neely. Back when I was in school, liking The Beatles wasn’t seen as uncool. Lots of kids wore Beatles shirts, including myself, and I only ever got compliments on them. If anybody was judging me negatively for it, they never said anything to me. I wouldn’t have cared anyways though because I know that I am inherently superior to all the Beatles haters. 

  

It could be worse — he could be a Monkees fan.

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It could be worse — he could be a Monkees fan.

  

HA! not a monkees fan, but i’ve never given them a proper shot. I did used to think the Kinks were better than the Beatles because they were “heavier” Don’t get me wrong I still love the Kinks but… the beatles are far better

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Neely said

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It could be worse — he could be a Monkees fan.

  

HA! not a monkees fan, but i’ve never given them a proper shot. I did used to think the Kinks were better than the Beatles because they were “heavier” Don’t get me wrong I still love the Kinks but… the beatles are far better

  

 

All kidding aside, I do think “I’m A Believer” by The Monkees is almost Beatles caliber, but of course one song isn’t enough to measure up since the Beatles went through so many amazing transformations of music while the Monkees stagnated.

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@Neely I’m sorry that you feel you have to hide your love of the Fab Four from most people. Luckily for me, most of my friends and family love them. I first discovered the band through my parents at an early age and they encouraged me to listen to them.  

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@Neely I’m sorry that you feel you have to hide your love of the Fab Four from most people. Luckily for me, most of my friends and family love them. I first discovered the band through my parents at an early age and they encouraged me to listen to them.  

  

 

I don’t know if Neely is in high school or junior high, but it’s interesting that kids that age would be so anti Beatles these days. I’m not exactly in touch with that age bracket and haven’t been for many moons, but it seems to me that the Beatles should have some kind of retro cool aura about them among that demographic. One thing I’m pretty confident of, and I would bet my life savings on it, and that is that there’s never been a generation or decade from the 70s to the present where Led Zeppelin has not been cool to the young whippersnappers.

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I don’t know if Neely is in high school or junior high, but it’s interesting that kids that age would be so anti Beatles these days. I’m not exactly in touch with that age bracket and haven’t been for many moons, but it seems to me that the Beatles should have some kind of retro cool aura about them among that demographic. One thing I’m pretty confident of, and I would bet my life savings on it, and that is that there’s never been a generation or decade from the 70s to the present where Led Zeppelin has not been cool to the young whippersnappers.

  

I’m in Middle School (8th Grade). I’ve always loved classic rock, jazz, and blues. To my knowledge the kids in my school like whatever is on TikTok. I don’t because I still use a phone on the wall, record my own music into a cassette, and collect/play records. I’m only on this forum because I have a school issued laptop. I’m pretty out of touch with the world. Even though I was pretty much born yesterday and this forum is older than me, I don’t feel like The Beatles/LZ have a “retro cool aura” because I was raised by my great-grandparents who were born in the early 1940s. They raised me as if it were the 50s-60s, minus the racism and homophobia because my great-grandparents were cool.

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I don’t know if Neely is in high school or junior high, but it’s interesting that kids that age would be so anti Beatles these days. I’m not exactly in touch with that age bracket and haven’t been for many moons, but it seems to me that the Beatles should have some kind of retro cool aura about them among that demographic. One thing I’m pretty confident of, and I would bet my life savings on it, and that is that there’s never been a generation or decade from the 70s to the present where Led Zeppelin has not been cool to the young whippersnappers.

  

I’m in Middle School (8th Grade). I’ve always loved classic rock, jazz, and blues. To my knowledge the kids in my school like whatever is on TikTok. I don’t because I still use a phone on the wall, record my own music into a cassette, and collect/play records. I’m only on this forum because I have a school issued laptop. I’m pretty out of touch with the world. Even though I was pretty much born yesterday and this forum is older than me, I don’t feel like The Beatles/LZ have a “retro cool aura” because I was raised by my great-grandparents who were born in the early 1940s. They raised me as if it were the 50s-60s, minus the racism and homophobia because my great-grandparents were cool.

  

Cassette player!  Cool!  One of my faves, James Taylor had a pic inside his 1979 album “Flag” showing him singing and playing guitar sitting at a table with a small cassette recorder on it.

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@Sea Belt said
One thing I’m pretty confident of, and I would bet my life savings on it, and that is that there’s never been a generation or decade from the 70s to the present where Led Zeppelin has not been cool to the young whippersnappers.

I went through my formative years musically during the late-’70s/early ’80s (I was 13 in 1980), during the era of punk and new wave in the UK, and Led Zeppelin were most definitely not cool here. They were considered overblown and pompous, high on the list of those groups labelled dinosaurs — which included acts like Wings, Pink Floyd, Yes, Fleetwood Mac — that punk sought to sweep aside, and as far from cool as you could get.

I’m reasonably sure I didn’t start giving them a chance until the very late ’80s or early ’90s, and even then I had many friends wondering why I was listening to old outdated rubbish. I’m still not as keen on later Zeppelin as I am their first four albums. They were among many groups considered distinctly uncool during my teens and early twenties.

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One thing I’m pretty confident of, and I would bet my life savings on it, and that is that there’s never been a generation or decade from the 70s to the present where Led Zeppelin has not been cool to the young whippersnappers.

I went through my formative years musically during the late-’70s/early ’80s (I was 13 in 1980), during the era of punk and new wave in the UK, and Led Zeppelin were most definitely not cool here. They were considered overblown and pompous, high on the list of those groups labelled dinosaurs — which included acts like Wings, Pink Floyd, Yes, Fleetwood Mac — that punk sought to sweep aside, and as far from cool as you could get.

I’m reasonably sure I didn’t start giving them a chance until the very late ’80s or early ’90s, and even then I had many friends wondering why I was listening to old outdated rubbish. I’m still not as keen on later Zeppelin as I am their first four albums. They were among many groups considered distinctly uncool during my teens and early twenties.

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I spoke too hastily!  That’s fascinating to me that any youths (who dig anything rock-related) would find LZ uncool.

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The thing is… nobody digs anything rock related now. I asked a few kids at my school yesterday “what’s your favourite song?” I didn’t know any of the songs they said. I then asked these people “why is it your favourite?” The majority of the answers were “fuck you” (not joking) “I don’t know” or “it’s on the radio” I’m going to take a safe bet and say most of them have never heard of LZ or The Beatles and if they have it’s because of their grandparents… which means it’s “boomer music” even though grandparents of people my age were born in the 70s??? I have been called a boomer before, which is better than Gen Z I’m guessing because from mine and my grandma’s observations, most kids my age don’t have much sense. Then there is the rare few that do.

  

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The thing is… nobody digs anything rock related now. I asked a few kids at my school yesterday “what’s your favourite song?” I didn’t know any of the songs they said. I then asked these people “why is it your favourite?” The majority of the answers were “fuck you” (not joking) “I don’t know” or “it’s on the radio”

If you don’t know the songs how do you know they’re not rock-related? And how is a person meant to respond to why their favorite song is their favorite? It’s not a deliberate choice for something to be your favorite. It just is. 

I’m going to take a safe bet and say most of them have never heard of LZ or The Beatles and if they have it’s because of their grandparents… which means it’s “boomer music” even though grandparents of people my age were born in the 70s???

The Beatles are “Boomer” music. They were the first generation of fans. Also, grandparents of a person your age born in the 1970s would be very young. Most would have been born in the 60s. 

I have been called a boomer before, which is better than Gen Z I’m guessing because from mine and my grandma’s observations, most kids my age don’t have much sense. Then there is the rare few that do. 

I think that’s just children in general. The brain is still developing. Frontal cortex is important for decision making and executive functioning and is the last part of the brain to fully develop. 

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The Beatles are “Boomer” music. They were the first generation of fans. Also, grandparents of a person your age born in the 1970s would be very young. Most would have been born in the 60s. 

My mom had me at 15 so all my relatives are young. 

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Neely said

Little Piggy Dragonguy said

The Beatles are “Boomer” music. They were the first generation of fans. Also, grandparents of a person your age born in the 1970s would be very young. Most would have been born in the 60s. 

My mom had me at 15 so all my relatives are young. 

  

I think your Mum is the same age as me. I’m 27.

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Neely said

I’m in Middle School (8th Grade). I’ve always loved classic rock, jazz, and blues. To my knowledge the kids in my school like whatever is on TikTok. I don’t because I still use a phone on the wall, record my own music into a cassette, and collect/play records. I’m only on this forum because I have a school issued laptop. I’m pretty out of touch with the world. Even though I was pretty much born yesterday and this forum is older than me, I don’t feel like The Beatles/LZ have a “retro cool aura” because I was raised by my great-grandparents who were born in the early 1940s. They raised me as if it were the 50s-60s, minus the racism and homophobia because my great-grandparents were cool.

  

I have a brother who is 13 years old. He watches videos on TikTok and has a smartphone, but collects/plays vinyl, like yourself. He listens to The Beatles, Blur, Oasis, The Smiths, Gorillaz, Kate Bush, etc. He has also started to play guitar. For Christmas, he got a pack of 15 Beatles plectrums.

 

Back to the topic, if John was still here today, he would have continued to make great music, would have enjoyed the internet and would have reunited with his 3 bandmates.  

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The thing is… nobody digs anything rock related now. I asked a few kids at my school yesterday “what’s your favourite song?” I didn’t know any of the songs they said. I then asked these people “why is it your favourite?” The majority of the answers were “fuck you” (not joking) “I don’t know” or “it’s on the radio” I’m going to take a safe bet and say most of them have never heard of LZ or The Beatles and if they have it’s because of their grandparents… which means it’s “boomer music” even though grandparents of people my age were born in the 70s??? I have been called a boomer before, which is better than Gen Z I’m guessing because from mine and my grandma’s observations, most kids my age don’t have much sense. Then there is the rare few that do.

  

  

That’s a good point. I guess I didn’t realize the generational change in terms of Rock. The Gen Z & Gen Alpha generations probably don’t really like any rock music at all, it’s all hip hop, rap and whatever else, sort of hybrids of Pop. 

So the question for me is, when did kids (13, 14) stop liking Rock? By liking Rock I mean being fans, listening to the music, following the bands, going to concerts, whatever, but also just liking the music. I would take a wild guess and say the cut-off period was about 2000 to 2005, when you could find 14-year-olds who actually liked Rock. I don’t mean just a few, I mean the majority. Even now you can find the exception, but I’m talking the majority.

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There’s the occasional rock-esque song on the  radio that people will like for 2 weeks and then it dies out. I couldn’t tell you the cut-off as I was born (most likely) after it. I believe it was the 70s, but what do I know? I say this because mostly everything in the 70s was rock driven, as opposed to the later 80s-now everything has been more pop driven.

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