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If John had never met Yoko...
26 July 2017
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Don't Let Me Down wouldn't exist.

But I don't know if had John stayed with Cynthia, who's to say the quality would have gone down? I'm don't think it would have gone down.

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26 July 2017
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John needed rescuing and saving from a monotonous daily life which he escaped from by tipping drugs down his throat, whether or not people like it Yoko was the one to do it. 

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In case of confusion. I do not mean Yoko was tipping the drugs down John's throat but that she was the one to rescue him from tipping the drugs down his own throat - which Yoko did not do. So to be clear. Yoko did not tip drugs down John's throat.

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26 July 2017
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@Dark Overlord said
I hope i'm not derailing this thread too much but wasn't it just the US who were against the Japanese whereas the UK was mainly against Hitler and the Nazis.  

Hong Kong, Singapore, Malaysia and Burma, among others were British territories, @Dark Overlord. The same day Japan attacked Pearl Harbor, they attacked Hong Kong. The fall of Singapore was even more brutal, including the Alexandria Hospital massacre. Large percentages of POWs, including civilians, were British, Australian, Canadian, Indian (all part of the then British Empire).

The Nazis, vile as they were, largely treated captured foreign soldiers in accordance with the Geneva Convention. The Japanese didn't.

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I don't think it was as simple as racism. It was the hangover from the Second World War. The British captured by the Japanese were treated brutally, which left a lot of ill-feeling among the British, especially since the Japanese refused to apologise and pay compensation for a long time. Had John fallen in love with someone from virtually anywhere else, of any colour or race, there would have been no problem. It was the hangover of the resentment about Japanese actions during the war.  

I hadn't thought of that, and it may very well have something to do with it, but I don't think it is the whole story and I don't think it explains why the hatred lingers.  

The point I was making was that it wasn't as simple as plain racism. The ill-feeling in the UK towards the Japanese over their actions in the Second World War continued for the rest the 20th Century, as shown by the protests against the State visit of Emperor Akihito in 1998:

Emperor Akihito was greeted with hostility from former British prisoners of war, who symbolically turned their backs on him, while others jeered, as he and the Queen passed by on The Mall in a horse-drawn carriage during a royal procession. Addressing the state banquet later, the emperor spoke of his "deep sorrow and pain" over the suffering inflicted by his country during the Second World War, but he stopped short of apologising for the treatment of prisoners in work camps. A small group of PoWs also held a candlelit vigil outside the Japanese embassy to remember those who died. The emperor was also met with protests at Westminster Abbey and in the Welsh capital, Cardiff.

I think that whenever someone is cast in a certain light, it becomes difficult to overturn, even if those years later are unaware of the original bias that helped formed that opinion.

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26 July 2017
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meanmistermustard said
John needed rescuing and saving from a monotonous daily life which he escaped from by tipping drugs down his throat, whether or not people like it Yoko was the one to do it. 

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In case of confusion. I do not mean Yoko was tipping the drugs down John's throat but that she was the one to rescue him from tipping the drugs down his own throat - which Yoko did not do. So to be clear. Yoko did not tip drugs down John's throat.  

Well, didn't they both snort heroin?... so he kinda kept tipping the drugs down his own throat.

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Shamrock Womlbs said

Well, didn't they both snort heroin?... so he kinda kept tipping the drugs down his own throat.  

They both did heroin due to the pain they were in from Yoko's miscarriage and the reaction to their relationship from the Beatles, their friends, the fans and the press, as well as John losing his relationship with Julian.

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