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Does anyone think there was anything suspicious about John Lennon's murder?
5 May 2023
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The accused said he shot John in the back, but medical evidence says he was shot in the front.

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Might this belong in “Pimp Your Stuff”?

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GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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If so, that would be the lowest-key pimping I’ve ever seen online — and only noticed as such with the help of administrators of Beatles Bible helpfully linking!

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Like many conspiracy theories, there’s an oddity at the center of it:  if some sinister & powerful group really killed Lennon and then fabricated a false narrative and covered up the real story, why would they fabricate such a blatantly false detail like he was shot from the back? How does shooting in the back benefit them?  Are they dastardly & powerful AND yet at the same time make elementary sloppy mistakes?  Why not just say he was shot in the front and avoid later questions that could be dug up by some nosy journalist?  Etc.

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The flaws in this guy’s theories are manifest.

According to what can be gleaned of this conspiracy, John and Yoko are dropped off on the street outside the gates of the Dakota, they head for the entrance, Yoko two or three feet ahead of John, shots ring out, some from a second gunman in front of John, who Yoko doesn’t see because it’s a dark night.

But this is the entrance to the Dakota that night:

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Now, admittedly, with the police there in full force, along with the media, this is probably better lit than it was when John and Yoko arrived home, apart from the area behind the gates where the lights have been turned off, possibly to protect part of the crime scene from public gaze. Here’s how that entrance looks on a normal night:

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Now, I wouldn’t call that the darkest of walks. It looks pretty hard to think of a scenario where there could be a second gunman in front of John that Yoko wouldn’t have noticed. Night, yes. Dark, not really.

Also the claim, supposedly from Dr. Halleran, that a Navy Seal would have difficulty with those shots from 25 feet away — well, not if they wanted to keep their job. And even if a 25 foot shot would have been impressive, the evidence shows the arsehole shot from 9 to 10 feet away, including in statements he made.

Then you have the problem of Dr. Elliot Gross’ autopsy report. It has John being hit four times, twice through the shoulder, twice in the back. One of the shots in the back went straight through his left lung and exited, the second also went through his left lung, and lodged in his neck.

I’ll be interested to see what Dr. Halleran and the nurses have to say, but having seen and heard many previous interviews with all three, I have never heard them dispute anything about that night apart from whether Dr. Stephan Lynn had anything to do with the attempts to save John.

You have to feel sorry for these people who just can’t accept that shite happens, that life is what happens when you’re busy making other plans, and so have to scrabble around in stupidity because they refuse to accept that 99.99% of the time it’s just a case of shite happening.

There are always those who can’t accept that it’s that simple; that just because of who the person is, or what the event is, there has to be more to it. And, whatever the evidence, they find their more, and cling to it like a life raft because if senseless violence can happen to someone like John, it can happen to anyone — including them.

So the reach is made to make it more than the senseless shite it was.

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The biggest problem here as with many other conspiracy theories is that the conspirators would have to be very powerful and influential to be able to plan this, execute it, and keep it covered up for 43 years. If they are that dastardly, why wouldn’t they have merely fabricated a patsy shooting from the front? Or better yet, have a trained shooter from behind and then just fabricate a Chapman after the fact. If you’re dastardly enough and have that much power & influence over the media and local authorities, it should be easy to do. No need for Chapman to even be there. Just fabricate that he was. Easy peasy.  Instead, they elaborate complex theories as though their conspirators do NOT have that kind of influence & power and so they take certain details as given, while monkeying with others.

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It was a conspiracy of one.

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Answering to the question of this topic: Yes, probably there might be a lot of people wo think there is anything suspicious about John Lennon ‘s murder. Not in this forum, though. Or no one that i know, anyway.

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Part of the premise is that Lennon was becoming more politically active.

I don’t recall that being the case. He was certainly politically active in the first half of the 70s (see the whole green card / Nixon issues), but when he came out of his shell in 1980, he did so musically. At least that’s my recollection as a New York resident. There was absolutely no reason why Reagan who hadn’t even taken office yet would have wanted Lennon killed.

Lennon was taken to Roosevelt hospital. I was working the emergency room at the sister hospital, St Lukes, that night (and what if he’d been taken to my hospital…. We saw many more gunshot wounds than Roosevelt). They were on the phone with us the whole time, and i don’t recall anyone at Roosevelt saying anything about this.

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Isn’t there also anecdotal evidence that John had become a “Reagan Democrat” at the time of the 1980 election, far from still being the left-wing agitator of the Nixon days?

GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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Well, there’s Fred Seaman, @vonbontee, and anything from him depends on how credible you find him. It’s certainly not unthinkable that John may have thought Reagan was a better than Carter. One of Reagan’s successes was the amount of Democrats he was able to attract, who were dubbed “Reagan Democrats” — an early example of the cult of personality being more important than political beliefs in the Presidential race.

@Into the Sky with Diamonds was spot on when he said John wasn’t talking politics in 1980. I’ve read the 1980 interviews, and the subject is barely touched. John rarely talked about his political views after the end of 1972.

That’s why this guy has to reach — Well, if it wasn’t the Government, it could have been the Christian Right. Just gotta find someone to blame that ain’t the guy who pulled the trigger because that would be too simple. There just has to be more, and I will damn well find it… However ludicrous my arguments, they just have to be true, because it couldn’t just be one man with a gun… There has to be more to it!

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However ludicrous my arguments, they just have to be true, because it couldn’t just be one man with a gun… There has to be more to it!

Exactly. “A madman able to easily buy a gun and murder somebody?? Too simple, too clear cut, don’t like it.”

So it was mostly Seaman’s word about John voting for Reagan, then, as far as the sourcing. Okay…

I suppose its not impossible that John remembered being charmed by Ronnie’s charisma in explaining American football years before – if he could succumb to the magnetism of the likes of Allen Klein or Morris Levy, Reagan isn’t a stretch. And yeah, Jimmy Carter was disastrously unpopular by the time of his (non-) re-election year, with the failed Iranian hostage rescue and brother Billy’s financial entanglements with Libya. I can even imagine Reagan (who after all was a fellow showbiz figure before he was a politician) taking a personal liking to John, in the way Nixon never would – despite Reagan ultimately being even further right than Tricky Dicky on the political spectrum.

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GEORGE: In fact, The Detroit Sound. JOHN: In fact, yes. GEORGE: In fact, yeah. Tamla-Motown artists are our favorites. The Miracles. JOHN: We like Marvin Gaye. GEORGE: The Impressions PAUL & GEORGE: Mary Wells. GEORGE: The Exciters. RINGO: Chuck Jackson. JOHN: To name but eighty. 

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These 2 Chapman letters should settle the issue.

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Here’s the beginning of the New York Law Journal article he read that prompted him to write the letter…

New York Law Journal … By Christopher Dunn | August 22, 2006 … Woodbury personal injury lawyer Daniel P. Buttafuoco is not shy about his confessed “obsession”: collecting rare Bibles. “I kept buying and buying,” said
 
I’ll see if I can get a copy of the entire article.
 
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Call me crazy, but I still think Yoko had something to do with it…. 

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No.

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Some recent articles I have posted on here will hopefully explain more about my three year investigation into John Lennon ‘s murder:

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Some recent articles I have posted on here will hopefully explain more about my three year investigation into John Lennon ‘s murder:

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David Whelan

  

Whelan’s article on the theory of “two Chapmans” is a tissue of circumstantial evidence and supposition based on logic, but it fails to ask the question, why would conspirators go to that trouble of maneuvering a second Chapman into doing things in the days before John’s murder when they could (supposedly) just psychologically brainwash & train the first Chapman to do the same?

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Interesting use of the word tissue. I address the possibility of a brainwashed Chapman being the ‘second’ Chapman. Creating an off-kilter legend around a patsy, seemed very much to be the playbook with Lee Harvey Oswald. I’m glad you recognise that my article was based on logic. Feelings don’t help to get the truth in this case. Finally, most court cases are built around circumstantial evidence. it doesn’t always have to be seen as a derogatory term. Though it helps to paint it that way if you use the word tissue to describe it.

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