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Did Yoko love John?
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John had a habit of finding gurus he would soon abandon, usually finding a way to make his a reaction to some sort of wrong, and often finding someone other than himself to justify his changed view.

There isn't too much difference between his desertion of the Maharishi and his desertion of Janov. The casts may be different, but John grabbing hold of someone else's doubts, doubts that he may have sown, to give him an out was far from unusual. He'd walk away saying he'd been given some useful life tools, but he would walk away.

He didn't like being the villain. He liked other people to be the villain for him. Perhaps that is the role he gave Yoko as the Janov episode progressed.

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Interesting theory, Ron.

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John wasn't very far away from the mark when it came to the Maharishi.

And as far as Yoko doing his dirty work, she didn't have to go with everything he said. It takes enormous strength to say no. Perhaps she was just as needy. At least in the beginning.

 

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I do wonder, Yoko stated John's cheating didn't hurt her. She need it a break. John always wanted to be close to Yoko. But she was hurt. Didn't she call May Pang and threating John with divorce? I do have to question something she did do like making him leave therapy and not seeing Cynthia.  I hope she truly did love John. I wish he did get the help he need it.

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What a person feels and what a person says are not always the same.

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I've been doing a little thinking, mainly about the way John and Yoko make me feel. I'm putting it here because I feel it's appropriate. The two of them together, when I see a statement they have released, or art or music they created together, a video of them interacting or performing, or even just images of the two of them together, make me feel very inspired. 

There has been a lot of deconstructing or tearing down of The Beatles myth. John was himself responsible for tearing down The Beatles. Since his death, there has also been a lot of deconstruction of the "Johnandyoko" myth. For some, that actually probably started with Yoko's appearance on The Beatles scene, because there has been a lot of hatred directed at Yoko from the start. 

I have never really understood why some people enjoy knocking their heroes off pedestals. Yes, they are just human, but I don't understand the need to wallow in negative stories about their lives. Many people also criticize Yoko for creating a manufactured story, or manufacturing an image. However, I think that John and Yoko probably created this image together, and now Yoko is perpetuating the image. And after doing some thinking it occurred to me that maybe they didn't do it just to hide the awful reality of their personal lives. Maybe they did it to create an "imaginal realm" out of love for their fans, where we can go and be inspired. Maybe they want to help us create, help us imagine, give us a little love and light.

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 That was beautiful Expert Textpert. Especially the last paragraph.

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Why would anyone think that Yoko didn't love John, I mean they were so close together and once John met Yoko, he completely ignored Cynthia and was happy when he left her for Yoko.

Maybe you should try posting more.

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HMBeatlesfan said
Why would anyone think that Yoko didn't love John, I mean they were so close together and once John met Yoko, he completely ignored Cynthia and was happy when he left her for Yoko.  

One of the reasons is because they did Yoko just wanted to marry a wealthy man. That she wanted to control John for her own genre. I disagree while she did do some questionable actions. John could do what he wanted.  John still kept in contact with his family.

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@HMBeatlesfan said
Why would anyone think that Yoko didn't love John, I mean they were so close together and once John met Yoko, he completely ignored Cynthia and was happy when he left her for Yoko.  

That's pretty much the image that John and Yoko created, and Yoko has perpetuated, of johnandyoko, but there was a good deal more to it than that.

If you're curious about this, you're in the right thread. Happy reading! 

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I must say that this is an interesting thread.

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http://brainblogger.com/2010/1.....-disorder/

So read and think of who this might be.

“Send John out first; he’s the one they want.”

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C.R.A. said
http://brainblogger.com/2010/1.....-disorder/

So read and think of who this might be.  

Donald Trump?

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Well, obviously you're intimating that the second wife of a certain Beatle perfectly fits the diagnosis, @C.R.A..

And, to be honest, as you work your way down the list putting tick after tick against the symptoms, it is hard to avoid reaching the same conclusion.

She has to be one of his biggest missteps, with warnings coming from all around him long before they married.

Despite the obvious fact that the marriage was far more disastrous than the worst fears others had had for him, he was blessed with Beatrice, and without having gone through all that, who knows whether his relationship with Nancy would have become what it is.

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C.R.A. said
http://brainblogger.com/2010/1.....-disorder/

So read and think of who this might be.  

I seem to remember you posting that before, probably in this same thread. Deja vu? I think not... 

Tried to see if the infamously egotistical Roger Waters would fit, but no. It actually reminds me a little of John. 

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"There is that tongue in cheek (but also very telling) picture on one of Yoko's albums of him on his hands and knees begging for forgiveness."  

 

I don't have my LPs accessible to check what pictures are on which albums.  Are you referring to Feeling the Space?  I can't recall the picture exactly, but there is a song for which such a picture would be appropriate.  If so, the kneeling is not to ask or beg for forgiveness, but to illustrate the lyrics to the song Men, Men, Men.  

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....dQ5YGd1ofU

 

If you could be more specific about which album contains the picture. or link to the picture, I would be interested.  

 

To really understand Yoko, I would suggest to anyone to listen to all of her albums.  Some of my favorite songs are Yoko songs.  One of my favorite quotes is from her: "Dream we dream alone is only a dream, but dream we dream together is reality."  

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I thought I'd put this here since most people blame Yoko. In a 1975 letter to his cousin, Liela, John wrote that the reason he doesn't see Julian very much is because Cynthia won't let him. He also mentions he sent his half-sister Julia around to see Julian and she was turned away. He also mentions that Cynthia and her mother taught Julian to think of him mainly as a source of money. He also wrote that Cynthia stopped Julian from phoning him. 

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Oudis said
I have read the whole thread. Frankly I have nothing to contribute to it; all this information is new to me, and there are many contradictory opinions. But I found it deeply disturbing, and depressing.

But I do have something to say. Yoko will just be remembered for a while –and just as John’s second wife. Then she’ll be forgotten. She’s nobody, nothing. John will be remembered for at least decades, and for being who he was.

Agreed completely. Time always speaks for itself. 🙂

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Disagree completely. Not only is she an artist in her own right, her albums set the stage for much of the alternative music scene. The baby boomers who criticize her do so from deeply held racist and sexist biases.

It's not the 60s anymore. Times have changed and those attitudes are no longer acceptable. As Bob Dylan once said, please get out of the new world if you can't lend your hand.

Let's put hate behind us.

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I'm going to have to partially disagree with you there. While some of her hate may come from sexism and racism, a lot of it also comes from the idea that she broke up The Beatles because she supposedly tried to maneuver John towards her interests, although i'd argue that it was actually Paul who broke them up because of him caring too much about the way his songs came out and being a complete jerk about it.

I believe that John and Yoko's love is one of the most truest loves in existence. To support my point, i will mention how after John's death, Yoko didn't remarry and she still supports his ideas and seems to really care about him.

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