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Did John Lennon have gay leanings?
28 July 2022
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castironshore
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John wasn’t just bi-curious. He had sexual relations with men across the balance of his life, sometimes he was comfortable with that and at other times he wasn’t. The evidence is in his own words and conversations with those closest to him. John was far from the only rock star of his era to behave like that. 

I don’t think John and Paul ever had an actively sexual/romantic relationship of any kind…  But i think there were definitely feelings left unspoken between them, to a large degree they were each others soulmates.

5 August 2022
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I was listening to the aforementioned podcast women again, and they had a theory that John might have made some sort of proposition to Paul while in India.  Because they said when John returned from India, he was in a very bad mood, and he ended up claiming he was Jesus Christ in the Apple boardroom.  Shortly thereafter, John got together with Yoko and Paul got together with Linda.  According to them, this period was the beginning of problems between John and Paul.  They said John felt rejected so essentially replaced Paul with Yoko, started making solo records with her, and eventually asked for a “divorce” from the Beatles.  

I don’t buy their theory about John propositioning Paul, sounds more like fan fiction than anything else.  But it is an interesting question.  The India trip is usually described as harmonious and a positive thing.  But it does appear something happened at that time or shortly thereafter that caused some major changes in John’s life especially, but also to Paul’s (breaking up with Jane Asher and getting together with Linda).  What was it?

5 August 2022
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forn said
I was listening to the aforementioned podcast women again, and they had a theory that John might have made some sort of proposition to Paul while in India.  Because they said when John returned from India, he was in a very bad mood, and he ended up claiming he was Jesus Christ in the Apple boardroom.  Shortly thereafter, John got together with Yoko and Paul got together with Linda.  According to them, this period was the beginning of problems between John and Paul.  They said John felt rejected so essentially replaced Paul with Yoko, started making solo records with her, and eventually asked for a “divorce” from the Beatles.  

I don’t buy their theory about John propositioning Paul, sounds more like fan fiction than anything else.  But it is an interesting question.  The India trip is usually described as harmonious and a positive thing.  But it does appear something happened at that time or shortly thereafter that caused some major changes in John’s life especially, but also to Paul’s (breaking up with Jane Asher and getting together with Linda).  What was it?

  

If you look at it from the perspective that John was Bisexual, and needed to have a relationship that fused his artistic and emotional/sexual needs it kind of makes sense. 

Brian had died by this point so John had no outlet for this in his life, which i believe he had with Stuart beforehand. And also the laws against homosexuality had gone by this point. 

I think it’s true something changed in India, because up to then John still felt very much an active part of the Beatles. India was also one of the most productive periods writing wise for John, Afterwards he went back to drugs in a big way and his behaviour got more and more bizarre. I mean playing your bandmates a tape of you having sex is a pretty odd power play. 

It’s entirely reasonable to consider that something private happened between John and Paul at this point, and John clearly felt betrayed and angry afterwards. 

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The Cyn-to-Yoko transition happened around the same period of upheaval, remember that too, seems pertinent to John’s emotional/mental state.

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6 August 2022
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castironshore said  

If you look at it from the perspective that John was Bisexual, and needed to have a relationship that fused his artistic and emotional/sexual needs it kind of makes sense. 

Maybe it was more like John thought he needed to have a relationship that fused his artistic, emotional, and sexual needs.

And Brian died while the Beatles were in India (or some of them at least).  That famous interview where John and George are reacting to the news:  George is giving the spiritually enlightened line, while John looks absolutely devastated.  Maybe that had a bigger effect on him than we thought, and maybe that was the big event that threw him so off kilter at the time?  It’s all conjecture on our part.

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forn said
And Brian died while the Beatles were in India (or some of them at least). 

Brian died on 27 August 1967 while the Beatles were on a retreat with Maharishi Mahesh Yogi in Bangor in northern Wales; and Brian had previously agreed to travel to Bangor after the 1967 August Bank Holiday.

The Beatles didn’t go to Rishikesh, India until February 1968 – about six months after Brian’s death.

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forn said

castironshore said  

If you look at it from the perspective that John was Bisexual, and needed to have a relationship that fused his artistic and emotional/sexual needs it kind of makes sense. 

Maybe it was more like John thought he needed to have a relationship that fused his artistic, emotional, and sexual needs.

And Brian died while the Beatles were in India (or some of them at least).  That famous interview where John and George are reacting to the news:  George is giving the spiritually enlightened line, while John looks absolutely devastated.  Maybe that had a bigger effect on him than we thought, and maybe that was the big event that threw him so off kilter at the time?  It’s all conjecture on our part.

  

Seeing that again you are absolutely right. 

I firmly believe that when john later said that he thought “we’ve had it” when Brian died, he really meant “I’ve had it”.  He didn’t just look devastated he looked utterly terrified. 

There was always something a bit odd about John and Brian’s relationship. And i don’t mean the sexual element either.

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So John was codependent when it came to Brian?

“imbalanced relationships where one person enables another person’s self-destructive behavior such as addiction, poor mental health, immaturity, irresponsibility, or under-achievement”

Maybe all 4 were, but only John acknowledged it.

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