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Was John Lennon Bisexual?
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McLennon thing always has Paul baking, cooking and making tea for John *aaaarrggghhhh*

I might be wrong but there was something in Norman’s book about John where Yoko says she heard some recordings where John sounded very subservient.

I also came across a snippet somewhere where it was Yoko who related an incident from the early days  (I think Quarrymen days) which Mimi told her where Mimi finds Paul sitting on a stool while John was sitting on a floor and said something like “the boy needs to be put in line” or whatever, but that’s just reading into it a bit too much. 

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I just came across this “McLennon” theory . . . I’m a bit shocked . . I think people are reading into things a bit too much, I’m sure we’d know by now if this was true. Right?

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I agree. Anyway, McLennon is mostly fiction… there are few who actually take it seriously. 

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While the McLennon thing is fanfiction, there are quite a few who think John’s behaviour towards, during and after the breakup can be explained by his “love” for Paul, and of course they base this on “facts”, the weirdest being that Apple staff used to call Paul “John’s princess”, or his dislike for Linda. I’ve read this whole thing being debated quite seriously on some blogs & forums and quite frankly I find most of them to be complete nonsense. However, there are other few who say that their relationship might have had sexual undertones – J&P aren’t the only ones who come under scrutiny for this argument. There are others as well (outside the musical world) who are scrutinised. It has happened when two men have had an intense relationship, intellectually. Freud & Jung come to mind.

Anyway, while it makes for an interesting discussion for sure, I don’t believe it because no book has gone there, not even the most  gossipy kind of books. I don’t think even Goldman went there. I think the closest book that came to alluding to it while not actually saying it was the Lennon book by Philip Norman.

What I think? Since people think it’s mostly John more than Paul for whatever reasons, I think that since John was quite a passionate person, and because he sought to have an intense intellectual relationships with men, which not only includes Paul, but also Stu, Brian and others, to suggest that they have to be homoerotic like some people have done, is going way too far.

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I don’t think it’s all that grim, actually.

Most people in the realm of fanfiction, as well as those on DB, seem to be able to make the distinction between fiction and reality quite well. Of course, there are a few who don’t have that nuance.

One lady in particular springs to mind, who’s 100% convinced that both John and Paul are bisexual, and that they definitely had something going on between them. Her reasons for being so certain are quite laughable; she praises herself for having some sort of sixth sense with which she can see who’s straight, and who isn’t, based on how people look, move, and talk.

Then again, this is someone who believes she’s right about everything, and casually dismisses evidence which proves her wrong. There are a few people like that around, and they can be infuriating, but all in all I do think most people have a pretty balanced view.

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One of John’s artwork in the book.

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This may just be my gay talking (lol), but I think John definitely had something going on with Stuart and Brian at different times but I honestly dont believe in mclennon 

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People focus on John and Paul but what about John and Ringo or George. Could that happen?

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Here are some reasons why I wonder:

1. John writes about gay sex several times in “Skywriting by Word of Mouth.” 

2. In the Norman biography, there is the story of how John was once overheard “pleading in a submissive way” with Paul in the studio, and how Paul was referred to by others in the studio as John’s “princess.”  There was also a rumor that John had propositioned Paul and he said no. 

3.  A story by someone on the Internet (I forget who) who hung out with John and John asked him, “Are you gay?” and then acted disappointed when he said no.

4.  John joked that Paul was an “estranged fiance” at the Elton John concert in 1974. 

5. John’s favorite place in Hamburg was the bar with the drag queens, where he “felt at home.”

6. John confessed to Yoko that he liked her because she looked like a man in drag. 

7. The holiday with Brian Epstein.

There is definitely cause to wonder.  Anyone care to comment?  And I’m not trying to start an argument or offend anyone–I’m just examining what I’ve seen and read from various sources.

….oh, and we can’t forget 8.  He almost killed Bob Wooler for joking that he was gay.  That’s kind of a red flag.

and 9. He told Yoko that he wanted to be loved more by the gay crowd.

and finally 10. When it was suggested that John have other sexual partners (prior to the Lost Weekend), men were brought up (jokingly, supposedly) as a possibility for John.  

This is one of the most stupidest articles I’ve read (I knew at 2 years old that all four of The Beatles were straight and who can forget John and Yoko in bed and John insulting Brian Epstein when singing “Baby You’re A Rich Man “), though I sort of understand where you’re coming from and will take a look at all of these answers:

1. Just because he writes about something doesn’t mean he’s into it. I can write about decapitating special needs children, shrinking their heads, and selling them at yard sales, it doesn’t mean I do it though.

2. Clearly meant as a joke.

3. Could be lying, though he could also be telling the truth (I’ll sort of give you that one).

4. Keyword joked.

5. Cross-dressing and being gay are two different things, just because someone likes to wear makeup and dresses doesn’t mean they prefer men over women. If that were the case, we’d be calling Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Poison, and Scottish people gay even though that’s not the case.

6. Never heard this one before, what’s the source? I think it’s totally off the walls to think that he would actually say it, but if he did, I’ll give that one to you (That doesn’t mean much though).

7. I can go on a holiday with homosexual friends without being in love with them, just as I can bring my 7 year old son to Disneyworld and hold his hand without being a pedophile if I wanted to.

8. If someone were to call me that, I would’ve been pissed off too. Whether you’re homophobic or not, it’s undeniable that being called gay, lesbian, homo, or a certain obscenity I choose not to say is an insult. It’s like calling someone a pedophile, whether they are or not, it’s going to get them mad.

9. John’s goal in life was to end all intentional death and bring everyone together (hence his dislike towards the military and returning his knighthood badge). I bet if he was alive during 9/11, everyone would call him an asshole for trying to tell everybody not to fight against the terrorists, but I respect that he has the balls to tell everyone to hell with the military, if you believe in love, love will set you free. I respect that from him. Actually, my older brother who is also a Beatles fan and a very Christian man convinced one of my sons not to join the military by telling him that “the power of love will set you free” and that “revenge is wrong, if America actually followed The Bible, they wouldn’t fight in Afganistan and Iraq, but wait until they came to us and fight then”.

10. As a joke.

In all honesty, I get where you’re coming from, though overall, I wouldn’t call John Lennon bisexual, but rather straight.

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This is one of the most stupidest articles I’ve read (I knew at 2 years old that all four of The Beatles were straight and who can forget John and Yoko in bed and John insulting Brian Epstein when singing “Baby You’re A Rich Man “), though I sort of understand where you’re coming from and will take a look at all of these answers:

1. Just because he writes about something doesn’t mean he’s into it. I can write about decapitating special needs children, shrinking their heads, and selling them at yard sales, it doesn’t mean I do it though.

2. Clearly meant as a joke.

3. Could be lying, though he could also be telling the truth (I’ll sort of give you that one).

4. Keyword joked.

5. Cross-dressing and being gay are two different things, just because someone likes to wear makeup and dresses doesn’t mean they prefer men over women. If that were the case, we’d be calling Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Poison, and Scottish people gay even though that’s not the case.

6. Never heard this one before, what’s the source? I think it’s totally off the walls to think that he would actually say it, but if he did, I’ll give that one to you (That doesn’t mean much though).

7. I can go on a holiday with homosexual friends without being in love with them, just as I can bring my 7 year old son to Disneyworld and hold his hand without being a pedophile if I wanted to.

8. If someone were to call me that, I would’ve been pissed off too. Whether you’re homophobic or not, it’s undeniable that being called gay, lesbian, homo, or a certain obscenity I choose not to say is an insult. It’s like calling someone a pedophile, whether they are or not, it’s going to get them mad.

9. John’s goal in life was to end all intentional death and bring everyone together (hence his dislike towards the military and returning his knighthood badge). I bet if he was alive during 9/11, everyone would call him an asshole for trying to tell everybody not to fight against the terrorists, but I respect that he has the balls to tell everyone to hell with the military, if you believe in love, love will set you free. I respect that from him. Actually, my older brother who is also a Beatles fan and a very Christian man convinced one of my sons not to join the military by telling him that “the power of love will set you free” and that “revenge is wrong, if America actually followed The Bible, they wouldn’t fight in Afganistan and Iraq, but wait until they came to us and fight then”.

10. As a joke.

In all honesty, I get where you’re coming from, though overall, I wouldn’t call John Lennon bisexual, but rather straight.

a couple of these points offended me. A LOT. 5. You called Scottish men cross-dressers. That is NOT the case. Educate yourself. I am Scottish and I am sure @meanmistermustard will back me up on this next claim, and kilts are NOT a skirt. This point sounds like a joke shout Scottish people that a 4th grader would make. 8. Again, this really offends me in a different way. The fact you would call “gay” an insult, basically tells me you are homophobic. Calling someone “gay” is not an insult, and the YOU ARE COMPARING GAYS TO PEDOPHILES. I am gay myself, and comparing ME to a PEDOPHILE just because i prefer the same sex, is fucking stupid. You bigot.

9. If America followed the bible, I, my boyfriend and all other gays would be stoned. So thanks a lot for wanting me to die

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I was @’ted so here I am and presumably I am to reply and give my opinion. 

I have no idea why Scottish people are mentioned with dressing in women’s clothing; can only think its the whole ‘Braveheart’ thing and the idea a kilt is a skirt. Can’t say i’m offended tho, but then little does. Like the idea that we don’t know what a salad is.

The word “gay” and its connotations are at times still used as an insult, its one of the barriers that needs broken down as some people do still see such a comment in that light. In regards to the connection with pedophilia it was in that some people who don’t know better may use the word “gay” as an insult and a means to cause offence to another person in the same way they may call someone a pedophile to offend. There was no intention from @sgtpepper63, that I can see, to in any way suggest that being gay is the same as being a pedophile.

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I agree with mmm that sgtpepper63 didn’t set out to cause offence, but the choice of wording may be a bit misguided.

@sgtpepper63, in case you aren’t aware, Scottish and Irish kilts are not cross-dressing items just like the robes Arab men wear aren’t long “dresses”. I don’t think you were equating “gay” with pedophile. You were just using the word as an example, right? The way I see it, you could have used the word “retard” (a totally unacceptable word) instead of pedophile – you were just saying that there are some words people throw around that others take as a put-down whether or not the concept applied to them or not.

In many circles of society, when people call people “gay” it is usually done in an insulting way, unfortunately, and I wonder if that is what sgtpepper63 was meaning.

If my psychologizing is off-base, I do apologize to one and all.

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sgtpepper63 said

This is one of the most stupidest articles I’ve read (I knew at 2 years old that all four of The Beatles were straight and who can forget John and Yoko in bed and John insulting Brian Epstein when singing “Baby You’re A Rich Man “), though I sort of understand where you’re coming from and will take a look at all of these answers:

1. Just because he writes about something doesn’t mean he’s into it. I can write about decapitating special needs children, shrinking their heads, and selling them at yard sales, it doesn’t mean I do it though.

2. Clearly meant as a joke.

3. Could be lying, though he could also be telling the truth (I’ll sort of give you that one).

4. Keyword joked.

5. Cross-dressing and being gay are two different things, just because someone likes to wear makeup and dresses doesn’t mean they prefer men over women. If that were the case, we’d be calling Alice Cooper, Motley Crue, Poison, and Scottish people gay even though that’s not the case.

6. Never heard this one before, what’s the source? I think it’s totally off the walls to think that he would actually say it, but if he did, I’ll give that one to you (That doesn’t mean much though).

7. I can go on a holiday with homosexual friends without being in love with them, just as I can bring my 7 year old son to Disneyworld and hold his hand without being a pedophile if I wanted to.

8. If someone were to call me that, I would’ve been pissed off too. Whether you’re homophobic or not, it’s undeniable that being called gay, lesbian, homo, or a certain obscenity I choose not to say is an insult. It’s like calling someone a pedophile, whether they are or not, it’s going to get them mad.

9. John’s goal in life was to end all intentional death and bring everyone together (hence his dislike towards the military and returning his knighthood badge). I bet if he was alive during 9/11, everyone would call him an asshole for trying to tell everybody not to fight against the terrorists, but I respect that he has the balls to tell everyone to hell with the military, if you believe in love, love will set you free. I respect that from him. Actually, my older brother who is also a Beatles fan and a very Christian man convinced one of my sons not to join the military by telling him that “the power of love will set you free” and that “revenge is wrong, if America actually followed The Bible, they wouldn’t fight in Afganistan and Iraq, but wait until they came to us and fight then”.

10. As a joke.

In all honesty, I get where you’re coming from, though overall, I wouldn’t call John Lennon bisexual, but rather straight.

a couple of these points offended me. A LOT. 5. You called Scottish men cross-dressers. That is NOT the case. Educate yourself. I am Scottish and I am sure @meanmistermustard will back me up on this next claim, and kilts are NOT a skirt. This point sounds like a joke shout Scottish people that a 4th grader would make. 8. Again, this really offends me in a different way. The fact you would call “gay” an insult, basically tells me you are homophobic. Calling someone “gay” is not an insult, and the YOU ARE COMPARING GAYS TO PEDOPHILES. I am gay myself, and comparing ME to a PEDOPHILE just because i prefer the same sex, is fucking stupid. You bigot.

9. If America followed the bible, I, my boyfriend and all other gays would be stoned. So thanks a lot for wanting me to die  

Sorry about that, not trying to be mean, let me explain:

5. You got me there, I thought it originated from cross dressing or something, next time, i’m going to try to do a little research before I post stuff.

8a. I could care less what sexuality a man is, as long as it doesn’t involve me, but where I come from, if the school bully calls you “gay” or a “faggot”, that means that he is making fun of you.

8b. I was using that as an example and there is a big difference between a homosexual and a pedophile, though there are some similarities. For example, they are both a sexual interest (you can easily say this about heterosexual, necrophilia, zoophilia, and incest too). Also, I am not a bigot, I actually sort of understand what pedophile’s go through (not saying there good people, just saying that society won’t let adults do anything with children). For example, when I was 17, I went to the park with my neighbor’s 4 year old grandson to play baseball with him and when he hit his head and started crying, I gave him a hug to know everything is all right. Someone thought he was crying because I was touching him, so they called the cops. They tackled me to the ground, handcuffed me, put me in their car, and called me a “sick bastard” and “criminally insane freak”. Luckily, his grandfather explained it all to the cops, and no charges were pressed.

9. Though I mostly follow it, I don’t follow it to a tee, that’s my older brother Joe (born 1962) who is also my roommate that I was talking about, though I do wonder if we used the power of love instead of guns, tanks, and bombs, if the world would be a better place and I most certainly consider the US military a form of revenge instead of self defense.

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I agree with mmm that sgtpepper63 didn’t set out to cause offence, but the choice of wording may be a bit misguided.

@sgtpepper63, in case you aren’t aware, Scottish and Irish kilts are not cross-dressing items just like the robes Arab men wear aren’t long “dresses”. I don’t think you were equating “gay” with pedophile. You were just using the word as an example, right? The way I see it, you could have used the word “retard” (a totally unacceptable word) instead of pedophile – you were just saying that there are some words people throw around that others take as a put-down whether or not the concept applied to them or not.

In many circles of society, when people call people “gay” it is usually done in an insulting way, unfortunately, and I wonder if that is what sgtpepper63 was meaning.

If my psychologizing is off-base, I do apologize to one and all.

If we do need to work this out between gembo555 and sgtpepper63, like mmm said, let’s communicate via PMs.  

I was just using pedophile as an example and about calling people “gay”, that’s what I meant too.

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Did you see the article where Yoko Ono said that John was sexually attracted to men? That pretty much settles it, but if it makes you feel better about things to insist he was straight, go ahead.

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Did you see the article where Yoko Ono said that John was sexually attracted to men? That pretty much settles it, but if it makes you feel better about things to insist he was straight, go ahead.  

I did take a look at that, and after reading it, I feel Yoko misunderstood John. When John said “I like you because you look like you’re in drag”, I think what he was trying to say is that he feels more comfortable around men, something a straight person can feel too. Plus, if John was gay, don’t you think he wouldn’t be so close to Yoko and would’ve had another relationship while still being on a good note to her, similar to Freddie Mercury and his mate Mary Austin. Also, John could just be curious to what it’s like. For example, a 5 year old boy trying on his mother’s bra or a man just wondering what’s it’s like to be homosexual is not homosexual. Though after taking a good look I understand where your coming from, I feel that John is straight for all the reasons above. Though there is a Beatles that is purely gay, Billy Preston. Sure, all he did was play piano on “Something “, “I Want You (She’s So Heavy)”, “Come Together ” (unsure about this one, some say Paul, but it sounds like him), “Don’t Let Me Down “, and most of Let It Be , but I feel he was the fifth Beatle (he did play live with them after all) and he said himself that he preferred men.

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^ He could be Bi but more heterosexual side of things.

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This is the article I’m talking about:

http://www.usmagazine.com/cele…..n-20151410

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Conversations such as this one can be interesting and thought provoking as long as they remain civil. Thanks go to mmm and AG for steering the topic back on course after an unfortunate turn.

Any one of us can cite sources that defend a position of either “I think he was gay” or “I don’t think he was gay”. That’s fine – thought provoking. To use those same sources to defend any position that he “definitely” was or was not is foolish to the nth degree. As much as I love John and his work, he was not a stable person. He would say or write anything any time, true or not, just to get a reaction. That renders useless most of those sources I mentioned. This thread has proven that most sources used as a “yes he is” can also be spun into a “no he’s not” and vice versa. 

Please continue this discussion if you must. Again, it can be interesting. But unless we heard it from John himself, in a moment of honesty, a definitive answer will never be proven. Don’t kid yourself.

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