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Did John ever find out about his sister Victoria/Ingrid?
23 February 2015
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Hi :) Well I’ve wondered this for a while now, and I know maybe no one really knows but I would love to read what you guys know ;)  

So I’ve read Julia Baird’s book “Imagine This”, and also Cynthia Lennon’s “John” and I don’t remember that in any of these they mention that John found out about having another sister, Victoria. 

Julia says that she did, but years after John’s death. And that their aunt Nanny told her.

But I’ve also read that John did know, around the web, and I saw an interview with Victoria/Ingrid where she says John was looking for her but under the wrong name and day of birth.

I find hard to believe that neither Julia or Cynthia would know that he knew and was supposedly looking for her. Specially Cyn, since “he found out in 1964 when aunt Harrie told him”, and well Cyn was around.

Of course I have thought maybe he didn’t tell Julia or Cyn, but sounds unlikely to me. I don’t know. I feel he never knew. Nor in 1964, nor later or before :(

What do you say, guys? :)  


p.s. I didn’t find a topic about this

p.s. Sorry for any grammar mistakes, English is not my first language.

p.s. I love you ;)  

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Mr. Kite, ewe2
23 February 2015
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Hi @LonelyHeart. Welcome to the forum!

Victoria/Ingrid found out about the Lennon family connection in 1966, but didn’t go public due to loyalty to her adoptive parents. There’s some more information on this page.

John was four when Victoria was born, and I’ve read that he was unaware of her existence. It would have been quite difficult for Julia to hide a pregnancy and birth from her son (four-year-olds tend to be curious) but I *think* John was living with Mimi by that point so it could feasibly have been kept from him.

Julia Baird was told of her half-sister during an interview with Liverpool Echo journalist Bill Smithies. She explains it in this BBFC interview:

How did you first hear about Victoria/Ingrid“That was Bill Smithies from the Liverpool Echo, the features editor then. He was trying to set the story straight, and within a short time he mentioned about the four children, and I just looked at him, and straight away he said, “you don’t know, do you?” I said “No, what are you talking about, are you saying there are four of us?” He said, “Julia , your mother had four children, and I can see you don’t know. I’m going.” He was a lovely man, and gave me his number to ring him when I was ready to talk. I went straight out of the house, grabbed the little fella and had to do three visits to Nanny in Rock Ferry. I said, “Nanny, I’m going to come again and again until you tell me the truth. I’ve been told by a complete stranger.”

You met Ingrid, didn’t you?“It was so strange when she turned up. Stan (Julia ‘s cousin) and I were at Mendips putting up the Blue Heritage Plaque. It was a really nice day and he turned round and quietly spoke – we were concerned he was going to fall off the ladder – “I think I can see Ingrid”. “What?”, I said. “Ingrid, she’s over there”. We got down the ladder and there she was walking up the road with a friend. The first thing I did was look at her. John and I look alike, my sister and I look alike – some people even think we’re twins – so the genes are really strong. Green or brown eyes: my father and mother had brown eyes – I don’t know about Alf – and we’re a redheaded family, and we also look like John. I thoroughly and absolutely expected Ingrid to look like me John and Jackie, but she looks nothing like us. She has pale blue eyes and fair hair, so I was scrutinising her right off, and I was in a state of shock: she doesn’t look like me, she doesn’t look like John. You build up a mental image, because of the “halfness” of John and Jackie and I, and yet we look the same, the strong gene. Obviously, Ingrid must favour her father more. Our father was very dark, so different.”

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28 February 2015
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Hey @Joe :) Thanks for giving me that link!

I agree with you about that maybe John would have noticed “something” when Julia was expecting, but yes, as you said in those days he stayed a lot with Mimi and George because Julia wasn’t at his best with all her problems and sadness :(  

And also thanks for that interview excerpt, I’ve already read a little of that in Julia Baird’s book, but she says some other things in that interview, it was pretty helpful :)

I still wonder if John ever, late in his life found out, but I think he didn’t and that’s so sad…


Thanks again for everything ;)  

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