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Did John dislike any of Paul's songs?
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Musketeer Gripweed
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17 January 2014 - 3.19am

Meanmistermustard they had different points of view while writing and recording Getting Better (basically the duration of whole partnership). Johns contribution of couldnt get much worse. I got the vibe from Double Fantasy that his view on life took a turn. His family, album and music got him through a very dark suicidal period 75-79. The fact that getting better was Pauls original idea and cowritten by John. Hes basically quoting him. John agreeing with Paul publicly was a rarity. Yes, Sean helped him to agree but he is saying to Sean life does get better. Also Paul confirmed this in an interview From 1982 I think. John and Paul were chatting quite a bit in 1980.Jack Douglas producer of DF said John was discretely trying to get the boys back together for Ringos album. 

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28 January 2014 - 12.09pm

 

 

 

 

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Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

@Wigwam, I listened with the two combinations of my mp3 player and car stereo and then car stereo with the video you posted (using my cell phone). The video on cell phone playing on the car stereo made "George" even clearer. AND, it is definitely "John" and not "Joan". I still didn't hear "Ringo" ahdn_paul_01. Maybe if I play around with the treble and bass settings or find another combination I will hear it.

Just had a thought. Perhaps I could hear it on trcanberra's new super sound system. Oh, well. I'll keep trying to hear it with the piddly things I have at my disposal.

 

You're a trooper AG. Thanks for taking this seriously. I think if it's correct it does show Paul in a very good light. 

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28 January 2014 - 1.10pm

Atlas said
 

 

 

 

Atlas said
Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

@Wigwam, I listened with the two combinations of my mp3 player and car stereo and then car stereo with the video you posted (using my cell phone). The video on cell phone playing on the car stereo made "George" even clearer. AND, it is definitely "John" and not "Joan". I still didn't hear "Ringo" ahdn_paul_01. Maybe if I play around with the treble and bass settings or find another combination I will hear it.

Just had a thought. Perhaps I could hear it on trcanberra's new super sound system. Oh, well. I'll keep trying to hear it with the piddly things I have at my disposal.a-hard-days-night-george-2

 

You're a trooper AG. Thanks for taking this seriously. I think if it's correct it does show Paul in a very good light. 

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As anyone who has read very many of my posts on the forum may have surmized, strong friendships/bonds are important to me. ..you know, like Paul's good looks important.

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28 January 2014 - 7.47pm

like Paul's good looks (are) important

Hmmm... yes, I think that would've become apparent quite early on :) ahdn_ringo_09apple01

 

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28 January 2014 - 7.58pm

fabfouremily said

like Paul's good looks (are) important

Hmmm... yes, I think that would've become apparent quite early on :) ahdn_ringo_09apple01

 

Yep, even the newest of comers to our happy playground probably get that about me quickly :-)

 

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28 January 2014 - 9.08pm

Ahhh Girl said

fabfouremily said

like Paul's good looks (are) important

Hmmm... yes, I think that would've become apparent quite early on :) ahdn_ringo_09apple01

 

Yep, even the newest of comers to our happy playground probably get that about me quickly :-)

 

 

Gee, I never would have guessed. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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29 January 2014 - 5.44am

meanmistermustard said
Personally i think the "getting better and better" lines in Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy) are simply about John having Sean and the joy in seeing him grow up and being able to do things together; the same as most parents feel as their children grow up. Anything about the Beatles and/or Paul is just over-analysing it all to find something else. 

He also quotes Getting Better in I Know (I Know), but it could easily have the same interpretation. "as we share in each others minds"

wishing that the story of John mooning Paul mid vocal take "writing fifty times I must not be so0o0" was true. but who knows  

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29 January 2014 - 12.30pm

So John cant write "its getting better" without it being a nod to Paul? What about "spread our wings" from (Just Like) Starting Over, does that therefore immediately become a reference to Paul? 

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29 January 2014 - 2.47pm

WhereArtEsteban said

 
wishing that the story of John mooning Paul mid vocal take "writing fifty times I must not be so0o0" was true. but who knows  

 

I don't think that John was present for the recording of 'Maxwell's Silver Hammer' (he was at home recuperating from an auto accident), must've been Ringo...:-)

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29 January 2014 - 4.02pm

meanmistermustard said
So John cant write "its getting better" without it being a nod to Paul? What about "spread our wings" from (Just Like) Starting Over, does that therefore immediately become a reference to Paul? 

In the song "(Just Like) Starting Over," right after the lyrics "spread our wings"… John sings "Don't let another day go by, my love"… Well, that settles it. Not only does John name-check Paul's post-Beatle band, but he references "Another Day" and "My Love." That's more than just a nod to his former partner… it's like he was a bobblehead doll. ;-)

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29 January 2014 - 6.02pm

I seem to recall reading part of an interview where John called "Birthday" stupid or awful or something in that vein, but I don't have enough time to search for it right now. 

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29 January 2014 - 6.14pm

Bungalow Bob said

meanmistermustard said
So John cant write "its getting better" without it being a nod to Paul? What about "spread our wings" from (Just Like) Starting Over, does that therefore immediately become a reference to Paul? 

In the song "(Just Like) Starting Over," right after the lyrics "spread our wings"… John sings "Don't let another day go by, my love"… Well, that settles it. Not only does John name-check Paul's post-Beatle band, but he references "Another Day" and "My Love." That's more than just a nod to his former partner… it's like he was a bobblehead doll. ;-)

I don't believe it. If you look hard enough then you'll find references all over the place: to Paul, George, the Beatles in general... If the lyrics didn't really work and it's though he's carried on anyway, then I might think it's because he's nodding to Paul, but they work fine in the context of the song and the rhyming.

 

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29 January 2014 - 6.31pm

fabfouremily said

Bungalow Bob said

meanmistermustard said
So John cant write "its getting better" without it being a nod to Paul? What about "spread our wings" from (Just Like) Starting Over, does that therefore immediately become a reference to Paul? 

In the song "(Just Like) Starting Over," right after the lyrics "spread our wings"… John sings "Don't let another day go by, my love"… Well, that settles it. Not only does John name-check Paul's post-Beatle band, but he references "Another Day" and "My Love." That's more than just a nod to his former partner… it's like he was a bobblehead doll. ;-)

I don't believe it. If you look hard enough then you'll find references all over the place: to Paul, George, the Beatles in general... If the lyrics didn't really work and it's though he's carried on anyway, then I might think it's because he's nodding to Paul, but they work fine in the context of the song and the rhyming.

 

fabfouremily, I apologize. I was being facetious with those references, but now I can see I wasn't clear enough. After I read mmm's comment about "spread our wings," I continued to sing the song to myself, and I realized that the next lyrics coincidentally name-checked not one, but two of Paul's songs. I firmly believe that it is just a coincidence, which is kind of unavoidable when you figure how many innocuous song titles have been generated by the former Beatles. I see I need to be clearer that I am kidding around when I am in a sarcastic mode. The "winking" emoticon isn't enough.

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29 January 2014 - 6.37pm

^ No need to apologise, it was me who misunderstood. Yeah, a coincidence. I never really notice things like this myself, maybe my mind isn't tuned to the Beatles enough! Too many other things in there taking up that space :)

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29 January 2014 - 10.06pm

Necko said

I seem to recall reading part of an interview where John called "Birthday" stupid or awful or something in that vein, but I don't have enough time to search for it right now. 

I found it, quoted on The Beatles Bible, no less...

 

"Birthday was written in the studio. Just made up on the spot. I think Paul wanted to write a song like Happy Birthday Baby, the old Fifties hit. But it was sort of made up in the studio. It was a piece of garbage."

 

http://www.beatlesbible.com/so...../birthday/

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1 February 2014 - 7.45pm

I'm the original getter better connection poster and I didn't even realize the getting better line in Beautiful Boy until Paul brought it up in an interview in either '82 or '84. We'd have to ask Paul if John said something or if he himself is looking too far into it. The spread are wings line is definitely not a reference. I think it was in Fred Seamans book (Johns assistant from 79-80) but he almost didn't use the line in fear of people looking to far into it as a Wings connection. I think hes actually referencing his own song Bless You on Walls And Bridges, which has the lines "some people say it's over/Now that we spread our wings/But we know better darling/The hollow ring is only last year's echo." It actually funny that song is on Walls And Bridges because he does make Beatle references throughout the album. Going Down On Love contains the line "Somebody please, please help me", and Surprise Surprise (Sweet Bird Of Paradox) ended with an echo of the 'beep beep, beep beep, yeah' refrain from Drive My Car. Also Beef Jerky instrumental has the same or similar guitar lick from Pauls Let Me Roll It, from Band On The Run. Random side note, but I saw Patti Smith cover Beautiful Boy recently and it was awesome. 

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8 February 2014 - 10.26pm

Bungalow Bob said

vonbontee said
He disliked most of the McCartney album… many of those future Ram tracks ended up pissing him off…

Hey, did anyone here ever read anything about John's reaction to Paul's Band On The Run track "Let Me Roll It?" Hmm, that would be intriguing to know what he thought about that obvious Plastic-Ono-Band-ish-sounding song. Did he feel it was an honest homage to his post-Beatles style, or did it rub him the wrong way? Like Paul sings… "I can't tell you how I feel…"

Not sure about Let Me Roll It specifically but he did say somewhere that Band On The Run was a great album.

 

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The first one that comes to mind is "Ob-La-Di, Ob-La-Da" because he referred to it as Paul's "granny shit".  I can reference some more later but that one always sticks out in my mind.

 

I think part of the reason John hated Ob-la-di was because Paul was so much of a perfectionist.  I think Paul had them playing Ob-la-di virtually non stop for 3 full days in a row or something and then wanted to scrap it all and start from scratch again on a 2nd remake or something.

 

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In addition to the ones above, he hated Maxwell's Silver Hammer, The Long And Winding Road (witness his subliminal sabotage in his atrocious bass playing), Ob-La-Di Ob-La-Da...it seems John had more visceral hate for Paul's songs that he wasn't crazy about once Paul became the dominant force in the group (late-1966 to the end), whereas when John was the dominant force (1962-mid'66), he was more tolerant.

However, he also had high praise for MANY of Paul's tune, especially Hey Jude, All My Loving, Fool On the Hill, etc.

I find it surprising that you say John hated The Long And Winding Road.

I read an interview where John said that The Long And Winding Road was Paul's last gasp, which I took to mean that John thought it was Paul's last great song.

 

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8 February 2014 - 10.56pm

I think one thing worth mentioning on this topic is that, although John was very disparaging of some of Paul's songs, he was just as critical of his own songs.  There are many of his own songs that he described as "garbage".  Cry Baby Cry, Good Morning Good Morning, Mean Mr Mustard, Its Only Love, Sun King, Dig A Pony - all of these were garbage according to John.

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