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Did John dislike any of Paul's songs?
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ivaughan
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15 January 2014 - 9.43pm

Yes, I agree with all of that. Thanks for the responses.

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15 January 2014 - 10.44pm

.  Funny Paper said 

As for Power Cut having deeper meanings, anything's possible; but I don't feel a need to invest a flash of genius with deeper meaning to esteem it enough, and in the absence of actual proof, I must remain agnostic.  But luckily, I don't need those deeper meanings to be perfectly satisfied with the music.  And this need to try to find "real" significations to various phrases in the lyrics seems misplaced as well.  A songwriter, just as a poet or a balladeer or a minstrel, often sings about generalities of the human condition. 

 

The old joke:….

"Question. When did Paul write 'silly love songs'?     ..Ans: From 1963 to 2013." …….is unfair.

 Still I don't look for much in Paul's lyrics………Though that's not a put down. 'Maybe I'm Amazed' is very powerful and personal. And he's written many others from the heart. But like you I distance myself from the interpretive junkies.

But for the reasons I've given and on the evidence of my 'old' ears….( allow that my ears were 40 years younger when I heard this)  at 2.26….2.36 and 2.57 I hear the other Beatles' names…….. And the song all makes sense. 

But thanks for taking the trouble to listen and post.

 

 

 

 

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15 January 2014 - 11.12pm

Atlas, I'm going to listen again...and again. I really, really wanted to hear the names. I strained my ears and brain last night listening for them. I'll try another electronic listening device and see if that makes a difference.

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15 January 2014 - 11.32pm

Ahhh Girl said
Atlas, I'm going to listen again...and again. I really, really wanted to hear the names. I strained my ears and brain last night listening for them. I'll try another electronic listening device and see if that makes a difference.

Thanks Ahh…..

 

Listen for…..'Yes I do,yes I do' pause 'George' 2.26

                  'Yes I do yes I do' pause 'John'    2.36

                  and just when you thought he was forgotten……….But less distinct…... 'Yeah Rin'go' 2.57

 

If after that effort and your good will you still can't hear it…………Then?…….Well it will be my 'question you'd ask Paul'.

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16 January 2014 - 1.30am

Atlas said

Ahhh Girl said
Atlas, I'm going to listen again...and again. I really, really wanted to hear the names. I strained my ears and brain last night listening for them. I'll try another electronic listening device and see if that makes a difference.

Thanks Ahh…..

 

Listen for…..'Yes I do,yes I do' pause 'George' 2.26

                  'Yes I do yes I do' pause 'John'    2.36

                  and just when you thought he was forgotten……….But less distinct…... 'Yeah Rin'go' 2.57

 

If after that effort and your good will you still can't hear it…………Then?…….Well it will be my 'question you'd ask Paul'.

Ohhhhhh. Oooooo. Different device and different set of headphones.

I did hear "George".

I heard something that sounded something close to "John", but it kinda sounded like "Joan". Maybe just a Brit-Yank sound difference?

Didn't hear Ringo yet. I'll try a different listening combination when I get a chance.

 

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16 January 2014 - 3.19am

Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

 

 

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16 January 2014 - 3.27am

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Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

 

 

That reminds me of a conversation a few months ago on the forum. I'll find it and post it tomorrow. I am up past my bedtime as it is.

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16 January 2014 - 4.52pm

Ahhh Girl said

Atlas said
Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

 

 

That reminds me of a conversation a few months ago on the forum. I'll find it and post it tomorrow. I am up past my bedtime as it is.

check out posts 54 & 55 on this thread

for more about the Depends comment see 30 and 33 on this thread

OK, OK. I'll quit the derailment now. Atlas and I can carry it over to the impossible to derail thread if Atlas has any more thoughts on the derailment topic.

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16 January 2014 - 5.13pm

Ahhh Girl said

Ahhh Girl said

Atlas said
Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

 

 

That reminds me of a conversation a few months ago on the forum. I'll find it and post it tomorrow. I am up past my bedtime as it is.

check out posts 54 & 55 on this thread

for more about the Depends comment see 30 and 33 on this thread

OK, OK. I'll quit the derailment now. Atlas and I can carry it over to the impossible to derail thread if Atlas has any more thoughts on the derailment topic.

Don't know if you know or not AG but if you wish to link to a specific post in thread you can do by following these steps

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So you end up with this and no need to write out which post folks are to check out.

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

"Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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16 January 2014 - 6.07pm

meanmistermustard said

Ahhh Girl said

Ahhh Girl said

Atlas said
Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

 

 

That reminds me of a conversation a few months ago on the forum. I'll find it and post it tomorrow. I am up past my bedtime as it is.

check out posts 54 & 55 on this thread

for more about the Depends comment see 30 and 33 on this thread

OK, OK. I'll quit the derailment now. Atlas and I can carry it over to the impossible to derail thread if Atlas has any more thoughts on the derailment topic.

Don't know if you know or not AG but if you wish to link to a specific post in thread you can do by following these steps

    1. Find the post you wish to link to
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              So you end up with this and no need to write out which post folks are to check out.

              Merci. I didn't know this. I offer you this apple. apple01

              With my mind intertwining so many threads, this will be useful information to me.

               

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              Billy Rhythm
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              16 January 2014 - 8.11pm

              It appears that Paul, to this day, still tolerates "dislike" of his songs from Ringo, Olivia & Yoko.  Here's an interesting read on the legendary 'Carnival Of Light' track that Paul appears to be quite keen on for release  http://www.theguardian.com/mus.....l-of-light  but that word "rubbish" came up again when considering it for inclusion on the 'Anthology' project, probably from George...:-) 

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              16 January 2014 - 9.23pm

              Billy Rhythm said
              It appears that Paul, to this day, still tolerates "dislike" of his songs from Ringo, Olivia & Yoko.  Here's an interesting read on the legendary 'Carnival Of Light' track that Paul appears to be quite keen on for release  http://www.theguardian.com/mus.....l-of-light  but that word "rubbish" came up again when considering it for inclusion on the 'Anthology' project, probably from George...:-) 

              Yip, it was George who was heavily opposed to Carnival Of Light seeing a legit release; overall, everyone who has heard it, aside from Paul, has not been very nice about the track. Fan-wise, although the majority would like to hear it, it would more than likely end up in the "not to be played" pile. The best way of releasing it is for Paul to somehow get a copy of it on youtube like with Revolution Take 20; we would all get to hear and no-one can moan at Apple for putting it out and potentially damaging the Beatles reputation/legacy (which Apple are petrified of but i doubt could ever actually happen).

              Would love to know how Revolution Take 20 got out. Anyone have the answer?

              "I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

              "Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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              Billy Rhythm
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              16 January 2014 - 9.45pm

              "Revolution Take 20"?...:-)

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              Ahhh Girl
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              16 January 2014 - 9.53pm

              meanmistermustard said

              Billy Rhythm said
              It appears that Paul, to this day, still tolerates "dislike" of his songs from Ringo, Olivia & Yoko.  Here's an interesting read on the legendary 'Carnival Of Light' track that Paul appears to be quite keen on for release  http://www.theguardian.com/mus.....l-of-light  but that word "rubbish" came up again when considering it for inclusion on the 'Anthology' project, probably from George...:-) 

              Yip, it was George who was heavily opposed to Carnival Of Light seeing a legit release; overall, everyone who has heard it, aside from Paul, has not been very nice about the track. Fan-wise, although the majority would like to hear it, it would more than likely end up in the "not to be played" pile. The best way of releasing it is for Paul to somehow get a copy of it on youtube like with Revolution Take 20; we would all get to hear and no-one can moan at Apple for putting it out and potentially damaging the Beatles reputation/legacy (which Apple are petrified of but i doubt could ever actually happen).

              Would love to know how Revolution Take 20 got out. Anyone have the answer?

              So perfectly thought out and stated. Elegant.

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              16 January 2014 - 11.44pm

              Billy Rhythm said
              "Revolution Take 20"?...:-)

              "I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

              "Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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              meanmistermustard said

              Billy Rhythm said
              "Revolution Take 20"?...:-)

               

              Wow!  I've never heard that before, most hypnotic.  It'd be nice to have the rhythm tracks higher in the mix during the fad-out though, now if only we can get that long version of 'Helter Skelter' leaked out, thanks for the gem...:-)

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              17 January 2014 - 12.55am

              I can see that in cut-power. Pretty sure John and pauls only way to really communicate to each other was through there music in solo years. I get the vibe that listen to what the man said on Venus And Mars is about John. Also that the verse in coming up about a friend who wont fade away is specifically about John. Now that im thinking about he references searching in verse also. A song they used to cover in early days. Belive John is nodding back on double fantasy in beautiful boy with the lines about getting better. Anyone got other example besides the obvious diggs on Ram, how do you sleep, and crippled inside?

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              Personally i think the "getting better and better" lines in Beautiful Boy (Darling Boy) are simply about John having Sean and the joy in seeing him grow up and being able to do things together; the same as most parents feel as their children grow up. Anything about the Beatles and/or Paul is just over-analysing it all to find something else. 

              "I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris) 

              "Don't make your love suffer insecurities; Trade the baggage of "self" to set another one free" ('Paper Skin' - Kendall Payne)

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              17 January 2014 - 1.38am

              meanmistermustard said

              Ahhh Girl said

              Ahhh Girl said

              Atlas said
              Thank you Ahh Girl……..I can put off a 'day-chair' in the 'Home for the Bemused' for a little longer.

               

               

              That reminds me of a conversation a few months ago on the forum. I'll find it and post it tomorrow. I am up past my bedtime as it is.

              check out posts 54 & 55 on this thread

              for more about the Depends comment see 30 and 33 on this thread

              OK, OK. I'll quit the derailment now. Atlas and I can carry it over to the impossible to derail thread if Atlas has any more thoughts on the derailment topic.

              Don't know if you know or not AG but if you wish to link to a specific post in thread you can do by following these steps

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                          So you end up with this and no need to write out which post folks are to check out.

                          Hey, mmm, I followed your steps in a post on the "introduce yourself" thread. Thanks bunches.

                           a-hard-days-night-john-6george-martin

                          @Wigwam, I listened with the two combinations of my mp3 player and car stereo and then car stereo with the video you posted (using my cell phone). The video on cell phone playing on the car stereo made "George" even clearer. AND, it is definitely "John" and not "Joan". I still didn't hear "Ringo" ahdn_paul_01. Maybe if I play around with the treble and bass settings or find another combination I will hear it.

                          Just had a thought. Perhaps I could hear it on trcanberra's new super sound system. Oh, well. I'll keep trying to hear it with the piddly things I have at my disposal.

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                          a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Forgot to add this: I wonder if any of those cool isolating programs being mentioned here and there on the forum would help out in this situation? If this is a dumb question in relation to those types of programs, please forgive my lack of technical knowledge.

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