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"Coincidences" leading up to and after John Lennon's death.
3 May 2013
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I dont get this. What am i meant to wonder? The Beatles crossed paths with many people and…

Oh i cant find the energy to get into this.

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3 May 2013
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You havent ruined my day in the slightest and i wasnt looking for a debate either, just replied to a post. Peace Expert.apple01

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I was always interested in how he predicted his death in at least two songs, like how Jimi Hendrix did; but I’ve never looked much into coincidences and conspiracies beyond that. There are conspiracy theories for several other people, as well.

Although for John’s case, I’ve sometimes thought about the ideas that he was lucky all the drugs he did didn’t kill him; they could have eventually if things turned out differently for him, but he did the most drugs out of all of them; then he did primal scream therapy and some other things. Apparently he still smoked until his death, though. I try not to think about how certain people should be alive, because it’s hard to think of what would’ve happened. All good things do come to an end, after all.. 

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3 May 2013
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Thread totally incomprehensible to latecomers like myself…

Paul: Yeah well… first of all, we’re bringing out a ‘Stamp Out Detroit’ campaign.

         

3 May 2013
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Incomprehensible threads are the best.

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3 May 2013
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Who was the total pussy that deleted everything they said?  a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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(shrugs) Probably for the best.

Paul: Yeah well… first of all, we’re bringing out a ‘Stamp Out Detroit’ campaign.

         

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I think that was probably my fault. I expressed my distaste for the “coincidences” in strong terms, and made an unwelcome comparison. I’ve deleted my responses because they look silly out of context. Otherwise I would have left what I said in place. It seems a shame the original poster did not leave their “coincidences” in place. You may have found others more interested in them than I was.

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Who was the total pussy that deleted everything they said?  a-hard-days-night-paul-11

Read meanmistermustard’s post..

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Well, I suppose I could re-post my original comment and give everyone else here a chance to be offended by it.  Or, perhaps it would be better if I keep my thoughts to myself and you guys can go on debating which Beatle is cutest.

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I read it and actually found it quite interesting. I wasn’t offended at all, as you were not implying that those coincidences had anything to do with his death. If you did say that they were all directly related, I might have been a little annoyed, but that’s not what you were saying. I think you should repost it. 

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I read it and actually found it quite interesting. I wasn’t offended at all, as you were not implying that those coincidences had anything to do with his death. If you did say that they were all directly related, I might have been a little annoyed, but that’s not what you were saying. I think you should repost it. 

1966 Susan Atkins stars as a vampire in Satanic Church founder Anton Lavey’s Topless Witches’ Review. 

1966 Bobby Beausoleil acts as Lucifer in Satanic Church member Kenneth Anger’s film, Lucifer Rising. 

1967 Beausoleil and Anger have a falling out. Beausoleil begins associating with The Manson Family. Susan Atkins also meets Charles Manson and joins The Manson Family. 

1967 Rosemary’s Baby by Roman Polanski, starring Mia Farrow, is released. Lavey is rumored to have acted as an unofficial adviser on the film. Filming takes place at The Dakota. 

1967 The Beatles are rumored to have attended an acid party at the Tate-Polanski residence on Cielo Drive. 

February, 1968, The Beatles travel to Rishikesh. Mia Farrow is there, as well as Mike Love of the Beach Boys . At the same time, in the USA, Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys is hanging out with his new friends, The Manson Family. Manson is such an influence on Wilson that he records one of Manson’s songs (Cease to Exist) for an album (giving it another title, Cease to Resist). In India, The Beatles write songs for the White Album

1969 Anton Lavey publishes The Satanic Bible. The Manson Family become influenced by The White Album , thinking they hear secret messages in the songs. 

1969 Bobby Beausoleil murders Gary Hinman. Susan Atkins is present. 

August 8, 1969 Anton Lavey leads a ritual to curse the hippie movement in the same room where his Topless Witches’ Review took place. 

August 9, 1969 At the house on Cielo Drive, Polanski’s wife, Sharon Tate, is murdered by members of the Manson Family, including Susan Atkins, Lavey’s “vampire.” Tate had previously acted in one of Polanski’s films as a vampire victim. There is a theory that the killings are copy-cat murders to get Beausoleil out of jail. The Manson Family use knives and forks in the killings and scrawl “Death to Pigs’ on the wall in blood, in reference to George Harrison ‘s song, “Piggies .” 

1980 John Lennon , now living in The Dakota, dreams that he is reading his own obituary. The obituary says that he murdered himself at the entrance to The Dakota. 

December 8, 1980. Outside the entrance to The Dakota, Mark Chapman sees Mia Farrow walking with her children on the way to Central Park. He hears a voice in his head saying “Do it, do it, do it.” He shoots John Lennon

September 24, 2009 Susan Atkins dies. 

September 27, 2009 Roman Polanski is placed under house arrest for a crime he commmitted 30 years ago.

 

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I am glad to see your thoughts reposted, though may I say there is at least one missing from what you originally posted. My view hasn’t changed, but I will say this, by putting coincidences in quotations marks to me you are making an inference that one event/rumour/speculation led inevitably to the next. I would also point out that it was Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys who had the Manson connection, not Brian.

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I am glad to see your thoughts reposted, though may I say there is at least one missing from what you originally posted. My view hasn’t changed, but I will say this, by putting coincidences in quotations marks to me you are making an inference that one event/rumour/speculation led inevitably to the next. I would also point out that it was Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys who had the Manson connection, not Brian.

Okay, I’ll change it.  The one that is missing from the list is not essential.  I originally included it as a funny afterthought.

…also, I don’t really believe in coincidences.  I think all things in the world are interrelated.

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Well, I suppose I could re-post my original comment and give everyone else here a chance to be offended by it.  Or, perhaps it would be better if I keep my thoughts to myself and you guys can go on debating which Beatle is cutest.

I see what you are implying, and it’s absolute bullshit.  You think we’re just a bunch of giddy fan-girls that have no depth and don’t give a shit about anything except which Beatle is the cutest?  I’m not speaking for anyone else, but I take personal offence to that.  I am absolutely in love with their music, it saved my sanity and has made me a calmer person in general.  It is possible to love a band for their music, and also find them attractive.  I can’t help if I find Paul McCartney attractive, and there’s nothing wrong with that.  Feeling that way doesn’t make me less of a fan, does it?  That seems to be what you are implying, so if it’s not, you had better make yourself more clear.

Remember too, you were the one going on and on about why John is so attractive in that very thread.  Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black?  Nobody said that justified your love for his music or just for him as a person, so why are you?  a-hard-days-night-paul-10

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Sounds like a version of the “Kevin Bacon Six Degrees of Separation” game.

More interestingly, I think, James Taylor in a recent interview revealed that he was in New York City that same time.  He was staying at an apartment very near the Dakota apartments where John and Yoko lived, and James heard gunshots that night, but thought it was just the police and some criminals.  He only found out the next morning what had happened.  However, that’s not all:  The night before Lennon’s death, James happened to be in the subway station, and none other than Lennon’s future assassin, Chapman, accosted James and started ranting about something James could not fathom.  James said that Chapman was sweating and seemed rather unhinged; then he just went on his way. 

 

 

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Well, I suppose I could re-post my original comment and give everyone else here a chance to be offended by it.  Or, perhaps it would be better if I keep my thoughts to myself and you guys can go on debating which Beatle is cutest.

I see what you are implying, and it’s absolute bullshit.  You think we’re just a bunch of giddy fan-girls that have no depth and don’t give a shit about anything except which Beatle is the cutest?  I’m not speaking for anyone else, but I take personal offence to that.  I am absolutely in love with their music, it saved my sanity and has made me a calmer person in general.  It is possible to love a band for their music, and also find them attractive.  I can’t help if I find Paul McCartney attractive, and there’s nothing wrong with that.  Feeling that way doesn’t make me less of a fan, does it?  That seems to be what you are implying, so if it’s not, you had better make yourself more clear.

Remember too, you were the one going on and on about why John is so attractive in that very thread.  Isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black?  Nobody said that justified your love for his music or just for him as a person, so why are you?  a-hard-days-night-paul-10

Chillax. Everything is fine. Just take a deep breath and say “John is the cutest.” ;-)

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Didn’t you mention in another thread that you are married?  You should know that telling a woman to “chillax” or “take it easy” or anything along those lines is not a good thing to say.  

Also, since you didn’t deny anything I said I will have to assume that that is how you feel.  

You should go check out the new pictures of Paul I just posted in the “Who’s the best looking Beatle?” thread.  Just for you, buddy.  a-hard-days-night-john-1

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I was just remarking that if my personal thoughts offend people maybe we should stick to shallow topics. Nothing wrong with engaging in shallow banter. As you pointed out, I have done the same. Besides, who is the one who called someone a “total pussy”?

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You can post all of the personal thoughts and opinions you want to, whether it’s about something “shallow” or the conspiracy theory discussion in this thread.  Maybe next time don’t be a baby and delete your comments just because somebody doesn’t agree with you.  Just saying.  

"Please don't bring your banjo back, I know where it's been..  I wasn't hardly gone a day, when it became the scene..  Banjos!  Banjos!  All the time, I can't forget that tune..  and if I ever see another banjo, I'm going out and buy a big balloon!"

 

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