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Sure Wigwam; I wasn't condoning the idea of killing Chapman.  While it could well be deranged for a fan to do it, I wouldn't say it would necessarily be deranged, if it was out of extreme distress.  It would still be wrong, but not deranged.  Anyway, these are fine points, and I realize not everyone shares my interest in nitpicking philosophizing -- or the fine, lost art of casuistry -- here's a good book on it: 

https://books.google.com/books.....TiJgiWcqQC)

Sorry Pineapple.....I only use 'casuistry' as a pejorative........ Leaning, (as i do) more towards Diogenes that Aristotle. 

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Has anyone ever discovered the reason why Chapman murdered Lennon?? I've heard rumors and what not, but I mean he was a huge fan.  Was he just insane? 

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Actually he was not a fan. Supposedly he had Beatles tapes on his person when he was arrested, but this story is false.

"This Beatles talk bores me to death.” —John Lennon 

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Has anyone ever discovered the reason why Chapman murdered Lennon?? I've heard rumors and what not, but I mean he was a huge fan.  Was he just insane? 

He was/is insane. Just because he was/is insane, doesn't mean he's stupid or incapable of planning an execution. The conspiracy theories are an American pastime, they've never held up to any scrutiny. There was a psychological theory of some kind of personality displacement where MDC had to murder JL to recover his sense of self but I think that's rubbish too; his later explanation is closer to the truth, he wanted the attention and the fame, and boy has he got it. I think the whole thing is a tragedy, nobody wins. He's entitled to parole but I think it's madness to ever let him out, for his safety and anyone else's. What's done cannot be undone.

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I think you should read the Bresler book and make up your own mind whether the conspiracy theory is implausible. Also watch The US Vs. John Lennon . At the end when discussing John's assassination Yoko says "They finally got him."

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I also recommend a documentary called The Weather Underground. It shows the lengths the government went to assassinate important revolutionary figures in the 60's and 70's. They kept a list. MLK was on the list.

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But I wasn't there-- oh, you mean that MLK. a-hard-days-night-george-10

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Finally, I recommend that you do some research on assassination attempts and "Catcher in the Rye." It's a popular book for assassins to own and to carry with them when they assassinate. Coincidence?

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I actually really like that book.

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Finally, I recommend that you do some research on assassination attempts and "Catcher in the Rye." It's a popular book for assassins to own and to carry with them when they assassinate. Coincidence?

Not according to the film Conspiracy Theory which has some really funny running jokes about conspiracies; some of them running quite subtly in the background on TV screens and the like.

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Has there ever been any evidence that John read the book? I don't know why but Ive often wondered if ever he read it himself

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I think you should read the Bresler book and make up your own mind whether the conspiracy theory is implausible. Also watch The US Vs. John Lennon . At the end when discussing John's assassination Yoko says "They finally got him."

Expert Textpert was around back when I posted a comment aeons ago (under my previous nick "Funny Paper"), and he participated in the particular forum where I did so, when I wrote:

"... there is interesting anecdotal evidence that his politics may have changed radically (pun intended) in his last couple of years, according to Fred Seaman, who was his personal assistant in his last year and wrote a book about it. 

According to this interview, Seaman says he talked a lot about politics with Lennon during that last year, and he claims that Lennon became pro-Reagan...

http://swf.tubechop.com/tubech.....id=1312453
 
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So if there was a secret government cabal that wanted him assassinated (which I doubt, at any rate), it may not have been on the side of the political spectrum which ExpertTextpert glibly assumes...

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Except that John, Yoko and Sean were planning to resume their radical politics:

"In January, 1981, John would have become eligible for United States citizenship. If he were to become a citizen, the incoming Republican administration would not have the option available to the previous Republican administration: that of deportation. This bit of history is conveniently left out of the official story, as was the fact that John, Yoko and Sean had planned to participate in a street demonstration the Friday after his assassination.

Planning to participate in this demonstration broke a long-standing agreement between John and the INS. Still deportable as a resident alien, John nonetheless decided to go to San Francisco to march."

I don't believe Seaman one bit. I think Seaman is probably the Republican.

I've read and heard the information about the planned protest elsewhere (I think in an official documentary?) but this is the only place I can find a reference to it at the moment:

http://rod-harrel.blogspot.com.....lence.html

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I feel dirty even entering this thread, but I figured I'd go ahead and bring this information to the thread. There's a new book out by MDC's pastor.

NOT MY GOD . . . My Life As The Pastor Of The Man Who Murdered John Lennon

by Ken Babington

Pages: 264

People still remember John Lennon , pay tribute to him, and listen to his music.
Most never think of Mark David Chapman, the man who murdered him. When
they do, there is always the question - why did he fire 5 bullets at Lennon’s back?
He didn’t know him, had only briefly met him as he got his autograph, and had
been a fan for years. In this book, you will learn of Mark’s troubled childhood as
he learned to escape into his imaginary world, his rebellion and depression, his
delving into the occult, and his spiritual struggles. Those same issues followed
him into prison, and this book is a one-of-a kind look into the life of Mark David
Chapman through the eyes of his pastor, Ken Babington. Why did Mark murder
John Lennon ? What is his life like today? The answers are in this book.

Author biography

Ken Babington has been in pastoral ministry for 38 years. Shortly after becoming
a pastor he began ministering to prisoners. In addition to his full-time pastoral
ministry, he writes letters and Bible studies to over 30 prisoners each week,
nationwide. He has a heart for all people - the famous and successful, everyday
struggling people, the hurting, the prisoner, and the homeless. His passion for
ministry has always been The Golden Rule - to treat others as he would have them
treat him. You will see this as he shares his ministry, and especially his ministry
and friendship to Mark David Chapman. Ken’s desire is that you see how the
Lord can work in the heart of a murderer, and how He can work in the heart and
life of each of us.

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Sorry but what!!? Chapman's Pastor has got a book out? When do we get the guy who shared the prison cell or who served him his porridge every day?

And "What is his (Chapman's) life like today?" I honestly couldnt give a shit.

 

This is [looking like to me its] going to be one of those books where evil (occult, greed, demons, eating cookies on the Sabbath, whatever) was responsible but the Good Lord is in amongst all the hell, giving reason in the chaos and gives us all a new chance making us better people. So if reading about Chapman wasnt bad enough i'd also have to swallow all that. I'd rather read the complete Mills and Boon Collection.

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That introduction/synopsis makes me want to chunder.

Who the fuck cares about Chapman's troubled childhood? John had a troubled childhood and psychological issues - he never murdered anyone. I had a troubled childhood and psychological issues - I never murdered anyone. LOADS of people have shitty lives, yet they don't go around killing other people. 

Fuck that shit. John should have been celebrating his 75th birthday on Friday. He can't, because someone had to go and shoot him dead. There's no excuse for what Chapman's  done. Like Paul said: he's the jerk of all jerks. I wholeheartedly agree with Paul on that one.

 

Apologies for the language. I'm a bit touchy, for obvious reasons.

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In terms of killers Chapman isn't even that interesting, he's not like John Wilkes Booth who lead the police on an 11 day chase or anything interesting.

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I wouldn't buy that pastor's book. He's probably an undercover CIA agent.

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I wouldn't buy that pastor's book. 

What's his name?.........'Pastor Buck' probably.........And he want's to make one.     Avoid.

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In an interview with 'The Daily Beast' Yoko discusses Chapman and the possibility of him being released.

...She stopped taking drugs in “maybe 1981 or ’82. After John’s passing, the doctors said, ‘We’ll give you morphine, every day if you want to.’ When you are in extreme sadness, you don’t know what they will do—jump out from the side of a building or something.”

Is she talking about another assassin?

“What happened was that I suddenly realized I had extra responsibility on many levels, so I couldn’t be taking anything. The first night they gave me morphine, but from then on I didn’t take anything. I couldn’t do it. I had to be super-clear to take on the business situation, the political situation, everything. And then I think I took some drugs, sort of like designer drugs or something.”

Whoever gave them to her said they would make her happy. “It wasn’t very good and I just didn’t feel right.”

I ask if she was really worried that somebody would shoot her, after Lennon’s assassination.

“I was concerned, yes. At the time, they could have done it, too. I was really lucky that I didn’t die with John. If that had happened, what would have happened to [their son] Sean?”

How does Ono feel about the possibility of Chapman being released? He was denied parole last year for the eighth time, and his wife Gloria told the Daily Mail the couple had written to Ono seeking forgiveness.

“I’m super-careful, almost like a certain animal who is used to being hunted, like a deer,” says Ono, who employs personal security. “So when I go out or when I don’t go out, in my apartment, I’m very, very careful. It’s very, very difficult for me to think about Chapman, especially because he doesn’t seem to think that was a bad thing to do. It’s crazy.”

Ono has opposed every single one of Chapman’s bids for parole. On her husband’s killer’s possible future freedom, Ono says, “One thing I think is that he did it once, he could do it again, to somebody else—you know. It could be me, it could be Sean, it could be anybody, so there is that concern.”

Does Ono still feel Chapman represents a threat to her safety?

“Yeah. I would be concerned. I said he’s crazy, but probably not—probably he had a purpose he wanted to accomplish like ‘Kill John Lennon .’ So he might have another purpose. He’s not the kind of person who’s… I don’t think he’s just doing it emotionally. There is a reason, whether a simple reason or not, to do what he does, and justify it. So that’s very scary.”

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