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Mark David Chapman
29 July 2015
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To me, it is a conspiracy theory that Mark Chapman was crazy.

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Is he being kept in jail for his own safety, or is it because he killed the John Lennon - the Beatle? Honestly, much as I like John, I don't like this distinction between famous and others. Someone in the beginning of this thread said Yoko has to go through this every 2 years - honestly, people out there go through much worse and not many of them get a say in whether the offender in question is eligible for parole or not.

I know how I come across when I say this, but I don't mean to offend any. If Chapman is being kept in jail, then so should the others who have destroyed many families. All are equal in the eyes of law, but I don't see any equality in this.

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It is unfair that those who commit crimes against celebrities are treated more harshly. I know that Yoko doesn't forgive Mark Chapman. I know that he has sought her forgiveness. What she or John's friends think about the topic is really none of my business, though.

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29 July 2015
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John's death was undeserved.......Chapman's incarceration is deserved. Hope he rots in there. 

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If the guy murdered some random dude instead of Lennon, would he still be in jail?

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Honestly, I struggle with the decision of keeping Mark in jail, or death penalty. Either he has to live with what he has done for life, or lose his own life. I'm very anti-war and violence myself, so I lean more towards him staying in jail. Plus, if he was released, he could end up shooting another person that we may dearly care about.

Also, I looked him up recently, and found out the reason he shot John. I believe it said something about Mark saying he disagreed with John's comment that The Beatles were bigger than Jesus.

So, I'd rather keep him in jail

In August of last year, "He who shall not be named" gave testimony to his parole board.  It was recorded and a transcript was released.

In it, HWSNBN is asked "Why did you do this?" His response is "I was confused.  I needed a lot of attention at that time, and I took it out on him."

He admits he was aware that he could have not done this thing.  He was asked "So you said you had a chance to turn it around."  He replies "I did."  He was asked "You actually encountered him earlier in the day." and "He was kind to you.  I believe he signed an album for you?" He responds "Yes, he did.  He was very kind."  He was asked "What were you looking to get? What was the real purpose? You say you wanted to get out of your doldrums, why kill someone?"  He responds "I had extremely selfish motives for my own self-glory.  That's about the best way I can say it. [REDACTED]. I could have turned it around, but didn't do it."

At the time of this hearing, it had been 34 years since Lennon's murder.  HWSNBN knows he's in prison for life and is both deeply religious and extremely remorseful (none of that saves him, IMO).  He's a man with nothing left and no one to protect and he knows it.

There's no conspiracy.

Why "HWSNBN"?  In 1980, he did this for the attention, for the notoriety; he wanted people to say his name.  I won't.

I'm crazy that way.

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I saw a show about this crime in the HLN netword "Crimes of the Century" series. I mentioned it somewhere else in a post, maybe the "In the news" topic. It's horrible to watch, I couldn't make it all the way through for the tears, but it had interviews with HWSNBN and it details all the stuff from the parole hearing that C.R.A. mentioned and lots of other stuff - interviews with the man animal monster. He won't ever be paroled IMO except to a mental institution. Perhaps it's for his own safety, perhaps it's because his target was one of the greatest men of the 20th century, but I'd rather see him locked up for life than have some fellow Beatlemaniac end up in jail for doing to him what he did to John. Not to get too political but I don't believe in the death penalty.

From as much of the show as I could stomach, I think he was insane at the time. And insane enough that we can't risk ever thinking he's cured and let him go any further than a high security mental institution. This from someone who knows more than I like to admit about insanity.

EDIT: I just found the show, it's still on my dvr - but I'm not about to try watching it, at least not tonight. The stuff I said that was detailed in the parole board hearing C.R.A. mentioned was not from the actual (recent) hearing - the show was made in 2013, and I think I remember them saying he would be up for parole in 2 years - but he was saying the same stuff then as he said in the hearing.

If you have a dvr you can probably catch the show eventually if you have it automatically record anything with the words "John" and "Lennon" in them (no doubt you've already got it set to do that ;). Mine recorded on New Year's Day 2015, was a rebroadcast. But beware it's very difficult to watch.

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Why "HWSNBN"?  In 1980, he did this for the attention, for the notoriety; he wanted people to say his name.  I won't.

I'm crazy that way.

But you, in effect if not in action, said his name by posting in this thread. 

 

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If the guy murdered some random dude instead of Lennon, would he still be in jail?

I'm not sure ......but I think so.

 

This wasn't a crime of passion.....Wasn't in self-defence.......Wasn't for money.......

He'd determined to destroy a man for no more reason other than he was famous........He might just as well offered in his defence 'I don't like Mondays.'

 

Ask yourself this Anna'd..........If you had the say and the responsibility to set him free in your hands, would you? And if you did would you sleep at night knowing the ease with which he once snuffed out a life, his lack of compunction at the time, (whatever he says now) and knowing how his sick mind justified and motivated him to do the deed.??

Where I think you could have a point is that the fame of the victim and the fame of this case makes it (though rightly in my mind) an even more pressured decision for the professional who actually does have the final say and would have to assume full responsibility for saying Chapman is no longer a threat and would never be a threat to anyone in the future.

 

As it is, let the sod rot and serve him right.

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It's not like everyone is being held to the same standards here, that's blatantly obvious. Let all the prisoners be held to Chapman's standards, that's okay. 

I mean, it's not like Chapman is receiving the same treatment as someone who murdered a, let's say, a prostitute? Nopes, he isn't. 

I'm not saying Chapman should get parole for the very reason that Yoko thinks he could still be a threat to her life and Sean's life - she might be right. But well, what about the other random people who fear similar threats? Those offenders aren't denied parole. 

 

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C.R.A. said
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Why "HWSNBN"?  In 1980, he did this for the attention, for the notoriety; he wanted people to say his name.  I won't.

I'm crazy that way.

But you, in effect if not in action, said his name by posting in this thread. 

 

S'not me, just my mind... a-hard-days-night-john-6

LOL

Hey, I didn't start this thread!  heart

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If chapman had murdered some ordinary joe from the streets he would be long released, lets be honest about it. 

I doubt very much that he is a threat to yoko and her family and i equally doubt he could get anywhere near them even if he wanted to. He is incarcerated for his own safety as some beatlemaniac (with the emphasis on the latter) would probably love to go down in history as having topped him.

It's a lose/lose for the american authorities.

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In addition to his own safe (some nutter will be devoted to killing him in some deranged idea of revenge) there is no doubt in my mind that a part will be because it was John but also in how Chapman went about the murder. Lets not forget one of his goals was to be famous thru this and yes he will always be known as the guy who murdered a Beatle who was also John Lennon , but there would have to be measures in place where he cant walk out of prison and into the nearest tv studio. I dont know how the US Justice system works with ex-convicts.

There will be those who disagree and are able to list numerous other murders which were equally cold-blooded and calculated. 

Chapman's sentence was 20 years to life; the 20 years was a minimum, he's served 34.

Personally i'd quite happily let him rot in jail but there are a lot of criminals i could say that for.

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Well his next hearing is August 2016........so with luck if it goes his way, some of you can hold a party.

August 2016.....Addressing the parole board.......Mr Wigwam...... for the prosecution..........Thumbs in weskit....Eyes staring into Chapman's.

"He says your honour," waves a dismissive hand,  "Jesus has forgiven him,  ....he knows this exactly how? 

This personal line of mister Chapman claims to have to Heaven clearly shows he remains in a delusional state your honour."

Wigwam not taking he's eyes off of Chapman expectorates into the court spittoon.......Phhut!!

"Now can I ask you agin, missster Chapman, when you faced for the second time that day the man you were about to kill, why exactly did you use hollow nosed bullets?"

 

Things have moved on from court dramas such as this. A battery of Harvard lawyers who will twist the words of the Constitution and the Federal Statutes into meaning whatever they want them to mean........ Social workers, and interfering do-gooders who can't bare to see anyone suffer except the victim,  will intercede on Chapman's behalf.....Swearing he's a new man and has repented his sin......And never knew his mother's love......And if he had killed anyone else he would have been released after only serving 10 years......

 

I'm a simple unreconstructed old buggar. Let the sod rot........For his own safety of course!     Phhut!!.

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Hear, hear!

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He isn't about to get lucky coz the man he murdered wasn't an ordinary citizen like you and me. So, no party that you were talking about.

 

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Sorry but the ordinary citizen argument is one that doesnt wash with me. Chapman wouldnt have killed an ordinary citizen for the simple reason he would have been forgotten about after a few months. He deliberately went after someone famous so he would make the headlines for years to come if not forever, going so far as to draw up a hitlist. One of the reasons John was selected above the others (and he was selected) was because his personal security was so lax. John's murder was a meticulously planned out assassination.

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If your post was referred to me, then yes, Lennon was targeted. I never denied that. 

My post was in reply to something said few posts before, and that didn't sit well with me. Just because some people here are trying to say that Chapman is being held to different standards doesn't mean we belong to the "Chapman fan club".

 

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You can get famous for killing some random nobody, it just depends how you kill them. MDC went for the easiest path and killed some famous person in a mundane fast acting way (comparatively).

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Jesus has forgiven Mark Chapman. If you follow Christ, you don't have to live in fear that he doesn't forgive you. That's not how it works, sorry.

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