Please consider registering
Guest
sp_LogInOut Log Insp_Registration Register
Register | Lost password?
Advanced Search
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Minimum search word length is 3 characters - maximum search word length is 84 characters
sp_Feed sp_TopicIcon
What is going wrong with the Forum?
11 January 2023
7.40pm
Avatar
Sea Belt
Royal Command Performance
Members
Forum Posts: 244
Member Since:
7 November 2022
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

That’s cool that the site owner, Joe, weighed in with such a long and thoughtful commentary. I gave the example of Paltalk chat, and I could also cite the example of Twitter where I have been quite active for some 2 years now. On Paltalk, there are some rooms there with 50 to 100 people who are all actively participating, and so my appetite for having vibrant discussion among many people is satisfied on merely a numerical level, but amusingly I have to say most of the time the quality is so abysmal it’s almost not worth it. Similarly for Twitter there’s plenty of participation going on, however, on Twitter there’s almost zero ongoing discussion between people. It just seems odd that on the internet with millions of people as a potential pool to draw from, that It’s So Hard to find any kind of a platform or venue where there’s ongoing discussion, which can range all the way from the respectful but fruitful disagreement & debate, to the silly or abusive, but has a middle range where one must expect — and allow — a little of both in order for a viable center to thrive, in my humble opinion.

I just don’t think there’s any good logical reason to suppress flow of conversation outside of the clear extreme examples of death threats, doxing, repeated abusive speech. One also has to take the structure and nature of the venue into account. For example, on this forum you have an architecture of many different sections, and then within those sections many different subsections, then within that, many different topics. Given that overall architecture, it doesn’t make sense to me to treat one of those little areas of topic within the vast complex beehive of the forum itself, as if it’s somehow threatening and dominating the entire forum. It’s just one cubbyhole within a vast array of cubbyholes organized into different sections. So if inside one of those little cubbyholes called “Paul is dead” a couple of people start posting a lot of stuff that seems wacky or weird or otherwise annoying and they keep on going, it’s not like their activity in that little cubbyhole is spilling out over the whole forum and infecting the whole forum like a poison gas. Reasonable people who don’t like their activity can just ignore particular cubbyhole (or if they had the stamina and patience they could articulate some counter arguments — not to try to persuade those theorists because they’re probably beyond persuasion, but just for the record), and proceed to be active in the hundreds of other honeycombed cubbyholes of the forum. 

Now today I find, you have changed your mind

12 January 2023
12.39am
Avatar
Ron Nasty
Apple rooftop
Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 12339
Member Since:
17 December 2012
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The trouble is that they don’t stay cubbyholes when active, @Sea Belt, they become advertisements for the forum content by appearing in the list of the most recent posts on the home page and forum page. And if, as you suggest, reasonable people ignore those conversations because they know from experience the wall they are banging their head against, it creates the impression that Forumpudlians do not disagree with the opinions being put forward. And when reasonable people do disagree to show it is not a widely believed opinion on the forum, say on the PiD conspiracy theory, as you used it as an example, the conversation can get ugly very quickly, which is also discouraging to those looking in on the forum to see if they want to join and participate.

Having such threads open is a no-win situation.

And, @Neely, your posts have been fine, as others have said, and please don’t think you should only post about The Beatles and nothing else. Joe accepts there is a social element to the forum, and that is part of what makes it work. If Joe wanted no non-Beatles conversation at all he would have just locked the All Together Now section completely, while being annoyed at most of his mods for joining in with it. Please continue to contribute to those threads.

The following people thank Ron Nasty for this post:

Beatlebug, Sea Belt, Neely, Rube

"I only said we were bigger than Rod... and now there's all this!" Ron Nasty

To @ Ron Nasty it's @ mja6758
The Beatles Bible 2020 non-Canon Poll Part One: 1958-1963 and Part Two: 1964-August 1966

12 January 2023
12.40pm
Avatar
meanmistermustard
Thankfully not where I am.
Moderator
Members

Reviewers


Moderators
Forum Posts: 24729
Member Since:
1 May 2011
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline

The aim is to try and find a balance so the forum retains the community element but ensures that the focus at the heart of the forum is the Beatles, it is a Beatles forum after all. No one will complain if there are discussions about other stuff but at one time people would come on and find Beatle-related topics were heavily buried under so much of that other stuff, it was Beatles+. Joe has spend years creating this site, it seems a shame and a bit disrespectful (tho admittedly not intended to do so) to then take the forum and make it into a place to discuss so much else whilst ignoring the actual intent – that’s certainly my view point.

If anyone does think a useful topic could be added to ATN then suggest it to the Joe/the mods but realistically most of the open topics do allow for a wide range of posts, but if someone wants a deep discussion on the merits of 18th century poetry it’s maybe better to look elsewhere on the net than try and get a thread created for it here.

The following people thank meanmistermustard for this post:

Sea Belt, Richard, Von Bontee

"I told you everything I could about me, Told you everything I could" ('Before Believing' - Emmylou Harris)

15 January 2023
3.00pm
Avatar
Tony Japanese
Shea Stadium
Members
Forum Posts: 910
Member Since:
11 September 2018
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
164sp_Permalink sp_Print

In the mid-2000s, I was a regular contributor to another music forum. I have never known a place with that kind of buzz before. The community was close-nit, thriving and you could easily spend hours there every evening talking to like-minded fans – especially between 2005 and 2008. I was also at university, free of any responsibility and work (mostly). The place, as lively as it was, suffered the same fate as a lot of dedicated band forums and declined in popularity as Facebook, Twitter etc gained traction. It was closed down completely last year, I’d stopped posting ten years before, and the most recent posts in different topic areas could go back as far as 2014.

I mentioned the Steve Hoffman forum earlier. I wanted to find out more information about the Revolver Special Edition box-set, but the speed at which the thread moved was overwhelming and made it impossible to keep up with. These days I am no longer at university, free of responsibility or work. I am an occasional poster on this forum because that’s what works for me.

This is the only other dedicated band forum I have ever registered with. Considering the band it caters for split up over fifty years ago, it’s perhaps difficult for people talk about anything that hasn’t been discussed before. There are no new singles to look forward to, no new albums to dissect. I sometimes wonder whether focusing on a particular topic for a Eight Days A Week could stimulate conversations. I noticed the Steve Hoffman forum has a lot of song-by-song threads, which I found interesting and entertaining and would welcome that kind of discussion here – everyone talking about one song per day, from ‘That’ll Be The Day’ to ‘Real Love ‘.

The following people thank Tony Japanese for this post:

Rube, Sea Belt, Von Bontee, Richard
15 January 2023
6.50pm
Avatar
Sea Belt
Royal Command Performance
Members
Forum Posts: 244
Member Since:
7 November 2022
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
165sp_Permalink sp_Print

Well one big factor I think is difference in temperament among people. I seem to be a kind of person who likes controversy and likes to argue and even if I get annoyed by someone else in the argument I consider that just part of the fray, and see the overall context as an atmosphere that helps make ongoing discussion thrive and interesting, certainly more so than no commentary or response at all (see my postings with no responses in the songs category, recording and musicology, John lennon, and Ringo about his drumming, and many others, far more than have received responses), or bland commentary like “boy I really like that album of Paul’s!” Or “Paul was playing great in that concert in 2014!” If that’s the sum of the content it’s not that interesting. Other than that, there are occasional postings where somebody provides some interesting or useful data about the Beatles, and that’s cool, but it’s not really conducive to discussion or conversation, it’s just stuff that one could find anywhere on the internet.

Just as with Twitter, I realize that this forum really isn’t a place for conversation! Sure there have been moments here and there in the last 3 months I’ve been here where the conversation starts and goes on for two or three postings, but if we were to metaphorically compare conversation with a cozy yet roaring fire in a fireplace that lasts all night, the fits and starts of conversation here are like a sputtering Bic lighter that’s running out of oil.

Now today I find, you have changed your mind

19 January 2023
4.29am
Avatar
Expert Textpert
In bed.
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 4982
Member Since:
18 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
166sp_Permalink sp_Print

It was super busy 6 or 7 years ago and there was a mass exodus of youngsters who didn’t really discuss The Beatles all that much when the forum owner started locking pointless threads.

Those people have their own place they post now I guess and only come back here occasionally.

I would be happy to have conversations if anyone were interested in discussing the things I find interesting.

It seems like most of the discussion these days is Paul related.

"If you're ever in the shit, grab my tit.” —Paul McCartney 

19 January 2023
4.59am
Avatar
Sea Belt
Royal Command Performance
Members
Forum Posts: 244
Member Since:
7 November 2022
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online

@Expert Textpert 

I think most people tend to gravitate to discussions that reflect their interests. That’s why I said earlier that the more people you have, the more likely discussions will spark up and then maybe last for a while, just by the sheer numbers because for one thing, there will be more people likely to connect with any given interest some other person posts. I think Joe invoked some principle or “law” about 1% or something, that if you have a thousand people only 1% of them is really going to be active. That may be I don’t know, I’m not so sure it’s some kind of law of nature. I really think the main factor here at Fab Forum currently is just there’s not a big pool of people coming through here, and even worse, of that small pool I think many just drift through on an odd Thursday, take a look at what’s here, maybe read a couple of postings, and then go “Yeah. I got nothing to say.” — and move on to other things in their life.

Now today I find, you have changed your mind

21 January 2023
4.22am
Avatar
Expert Textpert
In bed.
Rishikesh
Members
Forum Posts: 4982
Member Since:
18 April 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
168sp_Permalink sp_Print

Sea Belt said
@Expert Textpert 

I think most people tend to gravitate to discussions that reflect their interests. That’s why I said earlier that the more people you have, the more likely discussions will spark up and then maybe last for a while, just by the sheer numbers because for one thing, there will be more people likely to connect with any given interest some other person posts. I think Joe invoked some principle or “law” about 1% or something, that if you have a thousand people only 1% of them is really going to be active. That may be I don’t know, I’m not so sure it’s some kind of law of nature. I really think the main factor here at Fab Forum currently is just there’s not a big pool of people coming through here, and even worse, of that small pool I think many just drift through on an odd Thursday, take a look at what’s here, maybe read a couple of postings, and then go “Yeah. I got nothing to say.” — and move on to other things in their life.

  

That’s pretty much what I do. I’d be all for a discussion about John’s oedipal complex, his bisexuality, the possibility that he was assassinated by a Manchurian candidate programmed by the CIA, or the conspiracy theory that all four Beatles were replaced with body doubles.

The following people thank Expert Textpert for this post:

Sea Belt

"If you're ever in the shit, grab my tit.” —Paul McCartney 

21 January 2023
4.46am
Avatar
Sea Belt
Royal Command Performance
Members
Forum Posts: 244
Member Since:
7 November 2022
sp_UserOnlineSmall Online
169sp_Permalink sp_Print

@Expert Textpert 

This is the nefarious man behind it all (in the middle in disguise)

bb23.jpgImage Enlarger

The following people thank Sea Belt for this post:

Expert Textpert, Rube

Now today I find, you have changed your mind

25 January 2023
1.53pm
Avatar
Ahhh Girl
sailing on a winedark open sea
Moderator

Moderators

Members

Reviewers
Forum Posts: 21234
Member Since:
20 August 2013
sp_UserOfflineSmall Offline
170sp_Permalink sp_Print

@Sea Belt and @Expert Textpert, feel free to discuss these topics in the various threads we have for them. Just be prepared that it just may end up being you two talking to one another. I just can’t guarantee others will be interested. 

The following people thank Ahhh Girl for this post:

Richard
Forum Timezone: Europe/London
Most Users Ever Online: 700
Currently Online: vonbontee, Richard, Sea Belt
Guest(s) 1
Top Posters:
Starr Shine?: 16104
Ron Nasty: 12339
Zig: 9832
50yearslate: 8744
Necko: 7992
AppleScruffJunior: 7565
parlance: 7111
mr. Sun king coming together: 6402
Mr. Kite: 6147
trcanberra: 6064
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 88
Members: 2786
Moderators: 5
Admins: 1
Forum Stats:
Groups: 3
Forums: 44
Topics: 5180
Posts: 372024
Newest Members:
ICE, Chairman Mahjong, Whiplash41594, Rue B, DONATOMEEK
Moderators: Joe: 5288, meanmistermustard: 24729, Ahhh Girl: 21234, Beatlebug: 17790, The Hole Got Fixed: 8407
Administrators: Joe: 5288