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8 November 2016
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I don’t think there’s a central group, just some people who post more prolifically than others, and some who are a bit more vocal with their opinions. As in life. If people are forming cliques then they should be ignored, because everyone has equal right to post on here (spammers or idiots excluded). The obvious exceptions to that equality are the mods, but we try to listen to a range of opinions before doing what’s best overall for the forum.

I don’t have a problem with old threads being redirected. In fact I’d definitely encourage it because it avoids duplication and keeps things fresh, and allows different viewpoints to emerge. Just because something was last discussed in 2009 doesn’t mean it’s sorted for once and for all.

I do have a problem with the forum rankings, and never read them because they seem deeply boring and rarely spark interesting discussions. But I’ve shut down threads and forum sections in the past and it hasn’t been popular, so I’ll let them be. Some people like them, so hey.

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I think a game that is successful is one that is quick and easy to post in. The Even trivia thread for example, is very easy to post in. Fun easy Beatles games are the way to go.

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It’s funny @Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< you should mention the clique thing because I thought of mentioning it before I read your post. I regard myself as a new kid on the block and my observation is that sometimes if I post something I regard as a valuable post it sometimes receives no feedback and no thanks. Now I’m not so sensitive that it bothers me and I understand you can’t expect a response to everything but the perception sometimes is that maybe often posts go unnoticed and perhaps even unread. (that may not be the case but it is the perception). Added to that I have noticed if an established member posts something it usually gets more responses. Also I frequent a few other non Beatle forums and they are more relaxed about posters starting new threads. I haven’t started a new thread since I first joined and almost got my head bitten off. So I try to avoid it.

Having said all that I have kept coming back here (almost daily) because I realise it is the best site for Beatle fans (where I have already learned new things) and is well run by Joe and the Mods. So don’t worry you won’t get rid of me that easily. a-hard-days-night-paul-11

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Ahhh Girl said
@Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^<, you are in the inner circle. I love the depth of your Macca knowledge.

I DO concur! john-lennon-salute_gif

I guess I am just headstrong sometimes. When I joined, I just wanted to talk about Beatles, Beatles, Beatles, Beatles. I didn’t let being a newbie stand in my way. I just plopped myself in here and got busy Beatles yabbering. I’m glad the people who were here at the time didn’t paul-mccartney and shun me. heart

Same here a-hard-days-night-john-6 although it helped that I met wonderfully welcoming people (@Ahhh Girl being among the notable notables, but not alone) who helped me learn the kinks of the Forum. 

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
We’ve got a wonderful welcoming committee in the form of the Ahhh and Silly Girls who are worth their weight in gold.

I feel so loved a-hard-days-night-george-9 heart

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Mademoiselle Kitty >^..^< said
We’ve got a wonderful welcoming committee in the form of the Ahhh and Silly Girls who are worth their weight in gold.

 

Absolutely. Those two made me feel welcome right away. Thank you for that! apple01heart

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Holy heck, @Leppo. What was the thread? I am SO THANKFUL the experience didn’t chase you away from the forum.

One of my first posts on the forum was the beginning of a new thread. Zig gently steered me to the proper thread. https://www.beatlesbible.com/f…..g-to-play/ I didn’t let it stop me from becoming active on the forum.

I’m sad to hear that people see cliques here. I know we talk about our lives a lot. If people come in and don’t know the whole background story, is that what makes them feel like outsiders? If anyone wants to know the story behind a story, I hope they will ask.

I hope folks will feel free to PM me if I am causing them discomfort or if they feel discomfort with something else going on. Hopefully We Can Work It Out . I want us all to be one big happy Bealtes family.

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I think one way to see who is a central member is look at the birthday thread.

Also, for more activity, I think we should follow @William Shears Campbell’s lead and @ people more. Like instead of thanking a post, could instead quote, @ and write a thankful message since they will more likely see that and the newly bumped thread could get more conversation going.

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Ahhh Girl said
Holy heck, @Leppo. What was the thread? I am SO THANKFUL the experience didn’t chase you away from the forum.

With hindsight I was in the wrong as I started a thread about “Best Beatle books” when it had been covered before. But I noticed it started a heated debate on the “Mother Superior” thread between the mods. I thought it was going to be a full scale escalation it to DEFCON 1. ahdn_george_08

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I’m not @tting anybody if I don’t feel it necessary. 

  If a newcomer is seriously interested in staying, they will. (WeepingAtlasCedars, William Shears Campbell, Leppo, etc…) If they’re just beginning in the Beatles field, they can post in the trivia threads, post opinions, or ask questions. 

 I don’t know or about the clique thing, and honestly it doesn’t really bother. All the posts have some value no matter if you’re a newcomer or not. 

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Leppo said

Ahhh Girl said
Holy heck, @Leppo. What was the thread? I am SO THANKFUL the experience didn’t chase you away from the forum.

With hindsight I was in the wrong as I started a thread about “Best Beatle books” when it had been covered before. But I noticed it started a heated debate on the “Mother Superior” thread between the mods. I thought it was going to be a full scale escalation it to DEFCON 1. ahdn_george_08  

I don’t think Joe can go above DEFCON 114. He’s just too chill. stuart-sutcliffe

I looked back at the thread you created. I see how that the exchange that developed could make someone go ahdn_paul_01 or a-hard-days-night-paul-10 or paul-mccartney

I do Ron Ron (that was a funny line!)

Glad you didn’t get scared off.

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Ron’s avatar almost scared me off. 

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I’ve been avoiding social stuff on the Internet a bit lately. I’m trying to do more job stuff lately. I also figure that between the U.S. election and the Cubs winning the World Series that social media is a madhouse right now. So that’s my justification for not being here and I’m stickin’ to it.

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@Evangeline said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I’m not @tting anybody if I don’t feel it necessary. 

 

What defines necessary?

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I would imagine that @Bongo would say that what is wrong with the forum is that it needs more cowbells.

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Starr Shine? said

@Evangeline said
a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 I’m not @tting anybody if I don’t feel it necessary. 

 

What defines necessary?  

If I have a question for someone, or if I have something important to say. 

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Not sure if my ramble is going to add anything, but at least it’ll be another new forum post, so yay! john-lennon-salute_gif

Every once in a while, I’ll search for something to see if it’s been discussed yet. Often, it has, but the topic hasn’t been updated in years. Sometimes, I’ll add my comments anyway, but usually I don’t. The reason for that being, I don’t know what the general consensus on reviving dead topics is. I used to go to a forum that had strict rules about ‘necromancy’ as they called it, and it you revived ancient topics often enough, it could earn you a ban. So, not wanting to annoy the Forumpudlians any more than I already do on a regular basis, I often choose not to reply. I can’t be the only one who has qualms about digging up topics that have been dormant for years.

There are no rules to where you can post or an expiry day on threads. If you want to post in a thread 7 years old please post (within a very small reason, a few were dug up some months ago but from what I can remember they were threads that were inane at the time never mind now. The forum was very different back then. Maybe it could all have been handled better when they were.).

I also think that some of the more opinionated members, myself included, sometimes make people reluctant to post. It can be very intimidating to reply to something after one of our more controversial members has posted, knowing there’s a good chance they’ll come after you if you write something they disagree with. It’s happened to me, and I am very ashamed to realise I’ve done it to others as well. I try not to, it’s just that there are a few people here who manage to make me forget how to count to 10. I’m working on it, mainly by attempting to avoid the topics started or frequented by those members. I’m only one person, though, and not even the biggest offender. I’m not sure every one of our more abrasive members are aware of their impact. I’m not trying to point fingers, just trying to think out loud, so to speak.

I’m no doubt guilty of this and apologise now (again, for the 85th time); I willingly admit i lack tact, it’s one of my many failings. I do have the opinion however that its a public forum where differing opinions will be raised and nothing is meant personally. It’s good to be opinionated, it’s how you g about it.

Just like any forum, there are cliques on this one as well, and that may very well be the main issue why new members often don’t stay or become active. I consider myself to be at the fringe of the central group: I’m not an outsider, but I’m also not part of the in-crowd. It hasn’t stopped me from becoming active, but it does keep me from being as active as I’d like to be. There are many inside jokes that go over my head, there’s a lot of off-topic banter that can be very off-putting, and sometimes there’s some degree of bullying going on.

Now, let me stress that compared to most forums I’ve frequented, this place is more inclusive than any other place I’ve been. It’s generally a great forum, with mods who manage to keep things from getting out of hand. But the clique is very clearly visible for a newcomer, and it nearly made me give up when I first got here. So, perhaps we should all be more aware of that. We’ve got a wonderful welcoming committee in the form of @Ahhh Girl and @Beatlebug who are worth their weight in gold. Perhaps if we would all aspire to being a bit kinder to new members, more people would choose to stay.

There’s so much knowledge here, which can be terribly intimidating. Perhaps we should have some beginner topics, where we don’t go out of our way to show out Beatleclopedia skills, but rather just have some easy-going, welcoming Beatles-related chat which would make it easy for anyone to join in without feeling stupid for not knowing who played which instruments on all songs of the White Album  by heart, or for not knowing how many hairs were sticking out of Paul’s nose on 12 December, 1965. Yes, I know we have some fairly accessible topics. Let’s have some more, and keep them active. Or revive some of the older ones. You know, make people want to chat with us… paul-mccartney-thumb_gif

If any bullying is going on then it needs to be reported to the mods, we do anonymity if so desired. Please contact us without hesitation as it should not be part of the forum. If it’s by a mod then PM Joe and he will deal with it. No mod is ever bulletproof or beyond reproach.

And i don’t mean to be demeaning but this does remind me of the time during the ‘White Album

Ringo: While we were recording the ‘White’ album we ended up being more of a band again, and that’s what I always love. I love being in a hand. Of course, I must have moments of turmoil, because I left the group for a while that summer.
            I left because I felt two things: I felt I wasn’t playing great, and I also felt that the other three were really happy and I was an outsider. I went to see John, who had been living in my apartment in Montagu Square with Yoko since he moved out of Kenwood. I said, ‘I’m Leaving the group because I’m not playing well and I feel unloved and out of it, and you three are really close.’ And John said, ‘I thought it was you three!’
            So then I went over to Paul’s and knocked on his door. I said the same thing: ‘I’m leaving the band. I feel you three guys are really close and I’m out of it.’ And Paul said, ‘I thought it was you three!’
            I didn’t even bother going to George then. I said, ‘I’m going on holiday.’ I took the kids and we went to Sardinia.

Sadly I think the only way to really feel one belongs is to join in and post and become part of the place through interaction. I personally don’t bother with cliques and would fail to spot one. I also don’t bother with thinking of thanks before posting, tho they are nice if they come. If you want to post please don’t stop because of lack of a ‘thank you’ or because you think no one cares, agrees etc as that is total bullshit thinking. The forum only works if people post and so often its the seemingly inconsequential ones that do spark off the discussions. The forum should be all inclusive and if folk feel ‘on the outside’ then we are doing something wrong.

If ever I offend, hurt or step over a line with anything please PM and tell me or tell another mod and let them do it. I won’t be offended and actually would be far happier if you did (however it’s done).

 

As for thread content I’m not a fan of the ranking threads as normally it is only a list with no explanations but they do hold a purpose and we all have differing opinions on what threads are of interest and which ones should be nuked. Sometimes we mods get it wrong with our actions towards them but the fundamental basis of being here is The Beatles and that does need to be maintained and is what we do strive for.

 

I expect 34 “thanks” and 7 gold stars for this. a-hard-days-night-john-1

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 I expect 34 “thanks” and 7 gold stars for this.

 Perhaps it sounded like I was being over sensitive about receiving replies or thanks. But the point was that if people post and there is no response they might end up wondering why they are posting in the first place and maybe post less as there is no dialogue which goes back to @Starr Shine?’ s original point.

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I post more for my own piece of mind. Articulating my thoughts and analysis of the band make listening more enjoyable. That’s what it’s all about right? No point in having a forum if listening to the music isn’t at the forefront.

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Ahhh Girl said
I would imagine that @Bongo would say that what is wrong with the forum is that it needs more cowbells.  

More Bongos…. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15

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More Bongos…. a-hard-days-night-ringo-15  

No way. You are unique, our one and only Bongo. Anyway, multiple users can’t have the same username. a-hard-days-night-john-6

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