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What's the harm of a fluff thread? It's not taking up any space on the digital Internet...

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I don't know the overall forum as well as do Joe and all the moderators, but I find it hard to believe that the All Together Now sub-forum is causing -- or even CAN cause -- any problems, seeing as it's just one compartment among a majority of compartments devoted to Beatles topics.  This statement by Joe --

For a while now we've felt that the All Together Now section (ATN ) is a bit out of control. I know the whole point originally was to discuss anything and everything non-Beatles, but we've increasingly felt that it's overrun with chatter about other music, current affairs, politics, sports, and personal matters. It sometimes seems like The Beatles are a sideshow to the rest of the broader forum.

-- makes it sound like an inordinate amount of people are coming to BB and gravitating to ATN to the detriment of the 95% of the Forum that's not ATN . Is that really true? Like I said, as just a guy who likes to visit and pick and choose various topics to comment on, I can't say one way or the other; but I find it hard to fathom how. Do all these invisible "guests" who come in daily really flutter to ATN like moths attracted to a flame? And to the detriment of the Beatles focus of this forum? If so, how exactly does that work?

Related to this, it is a dearly held belief of mine that off-topic ruminations & banter are a precious part of life, and I would think that having 95% of a forum discouraging such off-topic activity would be enough...

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13 March 2018
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No, it's not an inordinate amount of people, but some people do clearly just come here for ATN . And I do absolutely think it needs a bit of housekeeping

It works to the detriment of the rest of the forum because fairly often the newly-updated topics are swamped by non-Beatles chatter. It was even worse when we had non-Beatles games running – back then I'd log in and see masses of completely irrelevant posts every day. People didn't like it when I put a stop to those either, but life carried on.

There will still be a place for off-topic rumination, banter and off-topic activity. The crux of the matter is this: we're just trying to make things a little more orderly so it doesn't become a total free-for-all, and to rebalance things a little.

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What's the harm of a fluff thread? It's not taking up any space on the digital Internet...  

It does require actual humans to moderate everything, to make sure people aren't duplicating links, posting in the wrong place etc. I want to grow traffic and attract new users, but I want them to be here primarily for the Beatles. Otherwise we're just going to multiply all the bad things about the ATN section. As I've said before, there are better places for off-topic chat on most subjects than this site, places with either specialist knowledge being shared or where general discussion is better served.

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Thanks Joe for that detailed response. It's an amusing paradox that I particularly value off-topic meanderings, and yet probably at least 80% of my activity on BB over the years has been in on-topic Beatles convos in various non-ATN threads.

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I want to thank Joe and all of the mods for discussing this with us and actually listening to the feedback that the users have been giving them. 

I can understand some people questioning this but having read this entire topic I can see that no one is taking this lightly and nobody wants to make this forum only about the Beatles.

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14 March 2018
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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8 As Joe said, "We Can Work It Out ." heart

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And there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend. 

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14 March 2018
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Elementary Penguin said
And there's no time for fussing and fighting my friend.   

Hey, that would be a good name for a thread, for people to bicker: "Time for Fussing and Fighting My Friend".

Or not.john-lennon-salute_gif

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Hey, that would be a good name for a thread, for people to bicker: "Time for Fussing and Fighting My Friend".

Or not.john-lennon-salute_gif  

That's not a bad idea. They could also work as lyrics to a song a-hard-days-night-john-1

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@Ahhh Girl, you can add me to the list of those who are O.K. with those threads being locked. Those are the exact type of threads that I thought would help to lock, but wouldn't do much harm. apple01apple01apple01 to you for helping us positively progress through this issue by having us take little steps. john-lennon-salute_gif

As for you, @Ron Nasty, I won't call you disappointed, but I sure as heck am. Sure, I felt a similar amount of anger in regards to what could happen to the forum I love so much; yes, I thought about leaving; definitely, I want defend my thoughts and opinions and make my voice heard, but I never acted so strongly on those things - it was simply not an action that would help the process move any more smoothly for anybody. I'm unbelievably upset by what you've written, and I dearly hope that you'll reconsider your decision to leave, as many others surely do as well. I love hearing what you have to say about different topics here, Beatles-related or not, and to have you leave over this would damage this community so much more than locking a couple rarely-used threads from yesteryear ever could. I say we leave the lot of this frustration behind, reconcile, and start small, like AG has already begun to do.

"Scan not a friend with a microscopic glass, you know his faults, now let his foibles pass..."

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I am sorry to disappoint, @WeepingAtlasCedars, but would say the thoughts I expressed had little to do with the subject of this thread. Something my own post reminded me of is that it's best not to make 2 + 2 = 5. There are things you unaware of.

While I wasn't intending to post until I was back home, as I told @meanmistermustard a couple of days ago, I owe him a full and abject apology. I was misinterpreting things, making 2 + 2 = 5, and - while I could make excuses, I have none that make the comments I made regarding you in any way acceptable. They were wrong, and I accept they were wrong.

I am truly sorry and hope with all my heart that we can put this ugly and indefensible mistake on my part behind us.

I also apologise fully to @Joe for letting a growing annoyance explode on the forum in the way I did.

I do honestly wish I could offer the same apology to @Zig. However, you made an attack on me and mmm on the forum following our comments on the Parkland shooting, you ended that post by telling us we should both be ashamed of ourselves. You made a point of saying you had privately apologised to mmm, and were making a public apology. I got neither a private or public apology. I only got derision for daring to argue, and attempt to understand, the points you had made. So, your fellow mod is worth an apology, but I am not? Even though you have told us both we should be ashamed of our comments?

However, to respect Joe, I have to be very careful as he wants it kept off the forum, the root of this is an email you sent me, and an email I told you I was incredibly offended by. I won't go into the details of it, but that was our last private conversation, and by your own account earlier in this thread, instead of replying, you deleted the exchange. I'm afraid I didn't, either mentally or from my email account.

Happy to discuss and hopefully sort things out between us, but that is your choice. No point in my sending another email for you to delete instead of respond to.

But, either way, on the forum, I promise peace and love.

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19 March 2018
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Please keep this thread on topic.

Zig, I'm sorry you won't get a right-of-reply here. It's not fair but I know you'll understand.

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19 March 2018
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Joe said
Please keep this thread on topic.

Zig, I'm sorry you won't get a right-of-reply here. It's not fair but I know you'll understand.

stay-on-topic  

Can @Zig make a reply in "The Incredibly Impossible to Derail" thread?

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Evangeline said

Can @Zig make a reply in "The Incredibly Impossible to Derail" thread?  

Let it be dealt with off-forum. No one needs to read the ins and outs and it doesn't do the forum any good either .

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 Let's all be glad I never bucked up against Mr. Big and paulsbass.

Wow, you DO find it hard to let that go, don't you...

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Wow, you DO find it hard to let that go, don't you...  

dude I'm sayin

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I decided that I'd make a rough list of all the ATN threads that I'd personally like to keep (although I'm sure at least a handful of these were never going to be locked anyway), just to get the ball rolling:

In My Life - what's happening in your life currently?
Impossible to Derail
Birthday topic
You know you’re a hardcore Beatles Bibler when…
What are you eating right now?
Whatever happened to..
Funniest Post/Creative contribution
What are you listening to right now?
Song you’re on a kick of
Turn it up or down
Updates on WSC
Things we learned today
Getting-to-know-BBers questions thread
Concerts you have been to
Beach Boys appreciation
Prince
Led Zeppelin
“Holy Trinity” albums
Rest in peace
Your non-Beatles covers
Ukulele thread
What are you reading these days?
Do you have music on the internet?
Poetry
Pet Peeves
Happiness is a nice thread
Songwriting discussion
BB House
New avatar topic
Foreign language thread *(which could be merged with the “what languages can you speak” thread*)
Are you allowed to post a picture of yourself?
BB Birthday
9 random facts about you
Albums you’ve recently bought
Queen
Current events
Pink Floyd (*which could be merged with the Syd Barrett thread*)
Guitar thread
Favourite tv shows
Desert Island Disc
BB Band
Space Race, etc.
Dreams
Elvis
BB History
Writing
Video games
David Bowie (*unless, of course, Joe creates a Bowie site*)
British Invasion
Rock ‘N’ Roll hall of fame
Elton John
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Philosophy
Most overrated band/artist?
The Zombies
What was your first album?
Confessions
Songs that sound similar
Vinyl thread
Movie thread
Early Rock ‘N’ Rollers
End of year awards
BB Theme song
One-hit wonder thread
The Grateful Dead
Top 10 favourite albums
Top 25 favourite songs
Christmas
Underrated albums
Choosing between two things
Bob Dylan
The Rolling Stones
Buddy Holly
Time Capsule
Latin Music/Percussion
Favourite non-Beatles lyrics
Best soundtracks thread
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Memorable quotations
Best 60’s bands
Prog/Art Rock
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Of Your top 5 albums which are not by the beatles
What cars do you drive
Fifty shades of BB
BB stories
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Nirvana
The Goons
Other favourite bands
Easter
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Weird Al
New Years
Monty Python
Thanksgiving
Halloween
How did you get your username?
Covers you thought were originals
Wishing thread
Frank Sinatra
Billy Joel
Classical music
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Tom Petty
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Thank you, WeepingAtlasCeders. 

Any particular reasons you'd care to disclose for any threads you'd like kept open? If not, thank you for the list. 

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a-hard-days-night-ringo-8Nice list WAC!

Could someone please @tt me in this thread, I'd like to do a list too but I can't do one right now. Thanks!

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@The Hole Got Fixed, here you go.

Making a list. Checking it twice.

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