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Do you think George really wanted to do the anthology documentary?
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bewareofchairs said "If I was going to sum George up I'd say he was the Misunderstood Beatle. I think he viewed The Beatles as being two bands."

There had to be one Beatle who was the "black sheep" -- it completes the irregular asymmetry of the whole. (Meanwhile, Ringo was the sideways, casually grinning, copacetically not-having-a cow Beatle; while John and Paul were the gods wrestling on Mt. Olympus...)

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@bewareofchairs I love it whenever you pop onto the forum... your posts are always of the highest quality. john-lennon-salute_gifpaul-mccartney-thumb_gif  

Aw, that's very sweet of you to say! Thank you. This is my favourite place to talk about The Beatles. heart

@PineappleRecords - Yes, the black sheep is a great way of wording it. Another thing that just occurred to me is that George would've been particularly impacted by the trauma because of all The Beatles he had the most regular life up until that point. 

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@bewareofchairs -- Yes, true; and also to repeat what many others have said, it must have been difficult being a "fifth wheel" of a 4-wheel band, in the shadow of John & Paul

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 Namaste to all
First of all excuse my english it isn't my mother tong.
Well..i think he did,but imo it was not easy for him to play once more ,and as a middle-age person, the role of an ex-beatle, cheerful for the reunion.He had accepted by then, that he always  will be an ex-beatle for the public, and he loved his ex-bandmates and pals but still was not easy for him.With all the spiritual understanding he had accumulated.I am almost sure a part of him was finding the whole thing a bit ridiculous. But of course it was his past,his mates,and he also considered the beatles as being a really good band, to   which beatlemania  had  an influence  not auspicious.
George was the one who had changed the most during the years. He was by far the most mature,psychologically and spiritually of all.
It was not easy for him to play a role that played or had been at his 20s.
He had been really beyond all this .
"I played with the guitar,write a few tunes,make a few movies..but none of that's really me..the real me is something else..

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I am new to this forum and not much of a Beatles scholar. I do have to say reading this past thread has been fascinating and people have such probing, thoughtful response that it's humbling.

A few thoughts because this thread really seems to come down to George's relationship to the other Beatles, particularly Paul.  Actually, many George discussions always are about George's role, which is a disservice to him but I believe we all innately understand why.

George's relationship to John seems not great but people take it as a given. I'm not sure if it's because John could be prickly so no one expects him to have gotten along well. No one seems to take John to task for not doing more. Or maybe it's just because their relationship was truncated in 1980 and there's less material to go on. I believe with the ubiquity of media, we'd have tons more John material had he lived - he'd be talking to every blog or probably blogging himself daily.  There would be so much more to excavate and interpret.

I feel like one facet of George's feelings is that while he knew how the Beatles were a one in a billion shot that he was fortunate to be in (all others were exactly as fortunate) there is a time element to this. George was only in his early 20s once. At that time there was no template for rock artists being productive into their 30s and beyond. Maybe he felt that during his most fertile period he was stifled but he also felt that was a time he will never get back.  He had a backlog of songs for ATMP but perhaps he felt that had he been more nurtured he could have been even more productive. Working *within* the Lennon/McCartney school more fully would have been a great exercise.  Age is just a number (and certainly spiritually George knew that it shouldn't be considered a factor in one's outlook) but maybe he felt his creative mind was most elastic at that time and can't shake the fact it won't be coming around again.  John was gone by 1980 so it's pretty hard to maintain that resentment (at least outwardly - he'd sound terrible deriding John) but Paul was still active, generally acknowledged to have some issues of being controlling, and Paul will sort of gladly put up with it.

I always feel I must put a disclaimer that none of this is a comment on the quality of George's solo work, but just trying to unpack any feelings he may have had.  

You know, I've thought about this a lot, and I think there's a lot of truth in it. The way I see it, Lennon and McCartney were definitely extremely talented. However, they also benefited from being able to grow together, from all the Beatles putting 100% energy into their songs, and being mentored by George Martin. They told George what not to do, and Paul certainly put a lot into his songs (which George has noted he appreciated), but I'm sure he always wondered what could've been if he was treated like their equal. In order to get where he ended up he had to look outside The Beatles towards Ravi Shankar, Eric Clapton, Bob Dylan, The Band, etc. Imagine if he was able to gain more from John and Paul. That's another thing people don't get about why he was so bitter. It wasn't just about not getting songs onto albums. As John put it, it was a "festering wound". I wouldn't be surprised if he one day expected them to be a trio when in fact the opposite happened. George got better, but Paul didn't want his guitar on his songs anymore and Yoko came along, so he was somehow drifting further away from them by the day. An important aspect of George is that he loved being in a band where everyone collaborated. He was always looking for groups to fill that hole the rest of his life, and he probably wished deep down that The Beatles could've stayed together.

As for why John tends to be let off the hook - I assume when he was alive it was because whenever George stood up for himself John would come back with some pretty cruel comments in interviews about him, and he was the one who was quickly willing to drop him for Eric Clapton. It seemed like George felt his relationship with Paul was more secure. When John died maybe it was a desire to protect him and his image since The Beatles held onto the little privacy they had and didn't want to reveal too much that the public didn't already know. The Let It Be film made Paul an easy bad guy and Yoko was Yoko, so it was like they purposefully kept the attention on them. Paul could've easily trashed John for how he treated George. Ringo too, and to my knowledge they haven't done that.

If George was able to release his songs when he wanted to, and The Beatles stayed together for longer, it's certainly possible he could've written even better songs.

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I lent my VHS copy of The Anthology to a co-worker.  She and I are of an age.  When she returned it to me, she mentioned how bitter George seemed to be.  I noticed the same thing. I can even semi-quote some of the things he said.  What remains with me is George was hardly the poster boy for meditation being an avenue to ameliorate the pressures and stresses of life.  I mean, here he was, remarried to a fantastic lady, fathered a healthy son... and still seemed to be wallowing in recesses of resentment that time had hardly diminished.

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He was probably not wallowing most of the time, but perhaps those specific circumstances would have brought it to the surface.

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Prolly being around Paul I would venture was one of those specific circumstances.

George liked to be here now and having to rehash the past would not been a comfortable for him I would think.

I read somewhere that he only participated in Anthology for the money.  

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I don't think George was bitter, I think you have to see the humour behind it and George was always self-depreciating about the Beatles in such a way, even in the 60's. I still believe the 'Anthology' documentary needed George that way as otherwise, it would have been too self-pleasing and over-the-top. Paul annoyed me far more.

 

I will always remember Ringo on the BBC's 'One Show' when promoting his UK concerts back in 2011(?). He took nothing too seriously, was very off-hand with some questions, and folk complained that he was grumpy throughout, which he wasn't. Same as George in 'Anthology'.

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i think he looks pretty relaxed and funny during the interviews. Even though when they are at his home he is not the life and soul of the party he looks pretty relaxed and enjoying the moment (imo). Just they way he looked in the 60's in all those Beatles interviews.
About the money, well... who wouldn't need it living in a 120 room house? a-hard-days-night-john-7

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i think he looks pretty relaxed and funny during the interviews. Even though when they are at his home he is not the life and soul of the party he looks pretty relaxed and enjoying the moment (imo). Just they way he looked in the 60's in all those Beatles interviews.
About the money, well... who wouldn't need it living in a 120 room house? a-hard-days-night-john-7  

Well i don't think that Friar park was the problem. The real problem was Denis o'Brian
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"Harrison brought a lawsuit against O'Brien in Los Angeles in January 1995 claiming O'Brien had deprived him of £16 million over a 12-year period.[1] O'Brien was instructed to pay Harrison £6.7 million in damages.[3] O'Brien filed for bankruptcy; an ailing Harrison sued O'Brien in bankruptcy court without success.[4] The judge dismissed the case because Harrison failed to appear for a deposition, despite Harrison's claim that he was too ill. The illness was the cancer that ultimately claimed Harrison's life.[5]"

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