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Sir Peter Jackson's The Beatles: Get Back
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How I’ve come to understand it is that the whole concept was Paul’s…  he was inspired by their “live” performances on the David Frost show the previous year to the point where they were gonna play a live show and film them rehearsing for it…  so yes, it was a noble attempt at “getting back”…  “to where they once belonged”…  which didn’t really work out so well…  All four of them agreed 50 years ago today that the project was to be indefinitely shelved…  it was with only Allen Klein’s urging on later that something be done with it because the business situation at Apple had become so bleak…  it sorely lacks the enthusiasm (with the sole exception of Paul’s) that was expected of them for such an undertaking, in my opinion…:-)

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How I’ve come to understand it is that the whole concept was Paul’s…  he was inspired by their “live” performances on the David Frost show the previous year to the point where they were gonna play a live show and film them rehearsing for it…  so yes, it was a noble attempt at “getting back”…  “to where they once belonged”…  which didn’t really work out so well…  All four of them agreed 50 years ago today that the project was to be indefinitely shelved…  it was with only Allen Klein’s urging on later that something be done with it because the business situation at Apple had become so bleak…  it sorely lacks the enthusiasm (with the sole exception of Paul’s) that was expected of them for such an undertaking, in my opinion…:-)  

Well, that’s wrong. Originally planned as a TV special, when they dropped that idea, it was switched to a cinema release to fulfil their 3-film contract with United Artists as Yellow Submarine  hadn’t, despite their being led to believe it would by Brian.

Michael Lindsay-Hogg went off to start editing it when the sessions finished, with them seeing the first edit of Get Back  – which was about an hour longer (a lot more John and Yoko) – on the 20 July 1969. The day after they saw it, Lindsay-Hogg got a call from Peter Brown to say the thought was there should be less John and Yoko, when questioned about this, Brown said something along the lines of, “Let’s just say I got three phone calls this morning…”, and so the long re-editing process began, with the group politics dragging it out.

Meanwhile, Glyn Johns was working on mixing the accompanying Get Back album, which was constantly held back to be released alongside the film, hence Abbey Road  being released before it.

Spector came in to take over the soundtrack album in January 1970 as they finally agreed an edit they were happy with, with the whole project becoming Let It Be  in early 1970 once they’d agreed that song would be their next single, and to put that banner across the whole project.

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What’s interesting to me is how Peter Brown suddenly gains some credibility when it suits your needs…  Excuse me, for my “glass half empty” is now being emptied “fully”…  not to worry, it’ll be full again soon enough…  most happy that my half empty glass makes yours appear to be half full…  Cheers…:-)

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I don’t recall having major problems with Peter Brown in the main, Geoff Emerick I question the reliability of often, Peter Brown less so.

And the majority of my reply above comes from multiple sources, including a new interview with Michael Lindsay-Hogg published in the New York Post on 29 January:

There was more John and Yoko in the longer cut, then I got a call from Peter Brown early the next day. He said he thought it was good but a bit long and said, “I think some of the John and Yoko stuff should come out. Let me put it this way — I’ve had three calls this morning.”

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I don’t recall having major problems with Peter Brown in the main, Geoff Emerick I question the reliability of often, Peter Brown less so.Ron Nasty said

then maybe you should re-familiarize yourself with his accounts of the ‘White Album ‘ & ‘Get Back ‘/’Let It Be ‘ sessions…  they too were corroborated “from multiple sources” (of which were from the same inner circle as he)…  still wanna believe Giles Martin’s (who still was yet to be born unto this world) accounts over his, or some Director’s (the only Peter Jackson I’ve ever heard of is the one whom they named a brand of cigarettes after here in Canada) after many translations version instead?  well then…  each to their own I say…  just don’t expect those who’ve followed their legacy for decades now to just jump on their bandwagon…  someone referenced the incumbent Director’s past fling with the World Wars as some sort of promise to deliver here, but did that said film cover imprisonment? (I confess ignorance)…  because the reality of the situation is that The Beatles were imprisoned during this time…  it’s not a pretty picture no matter how you paint it…:-)

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then maybe you should re-familiarize yourself with his accounts of the ‘White Album ‘ & ‘Get Back ‘/’Let It Be ‘ sessions…  they too were corroborated “from multiple sources” (of which were from the same inner circle as he)…  still wanna believe Giles Martin’s (who still was yet to be born unto this world) accounts over his, or some Director’s (the only Peter Jackson I’ve ever heard of is the one whom they named a brand of cigarettes after here in Canada) after many translations version instead?  well then…  each to their own I say…  just don’t expect those who’ve followed their legacy for decades now to just jump on their bandwagon…  someone referenced the incumbent Director’s past fling with the World Wars as some sort of promise to deliver here, but did that said film cover imprisonment? (I confess ignorance)…  because the reality of the situation is that The Beatles were imprisoned during this time…  it’s not a pretty picture no matter how you paint it…:-)

  

It’s possible I’ve misunderstood you here. But it seems you’re not aware of Peter Jackson’s reputation and the films on which his reputation is based.

If that’s a correct reading, (can’t believe it myself) then Google is your friend and only a few key strokes away.

As for the film……Bring it on. Let it Be.

Can’t wait….. 

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It’s possible I’ve misunderstood you here. But it seems you’re not aware of Peter Jackson’s reputation and the films on which his reputation is based.Wigwam said

No…  as I said I’ve never heard of him before…  you’re talking to someone who rarely watches any films and hasn’t subscribed to cable ever…  I watched TV in the 1970s with “rabbit ears” that allowed you to tune into two channels…  that’s it…  it’s not that I can’t afford to (I own a 55″ HD flatscreen which is used for a computer monitor) but television and movies is all a bunch of crap, in my opinion…  whether it’s news, sitcoms, documentaries, etc. I can’t enjoy anything where my BS detector is constantly ringing in my ears (I’m a Netflix Virgin as well)…  don’t even get me started on the commercials!  I do enjoy the radio on in the background but unfortunately it’s becoming a dying medium…  the only reason I’ve even heard of Ron Howard is because of the old ‘Happy Days’ show…

Forgive my ignorance here, but I’m not about to dismiss the countless interviews I’ve listened to and read from The Beatles and their inner circle, for many years now, just because of some supposedly well respected Hollywood Director…  I never came across his name before which tells me that he’s an outsider who’s been hired by Apple for a specific task, his filmmaking skills aren’t in question here…  it’s his mandate…

I’m all for releasing unreleased footage…  just don’t pick through the many reels and only glue together the stuff that paints some rosy picture of a troubling time in their history while attempting to convince the public how it really was when we all ready know how it really was…  In all honesty, I’m not interested in hearing the infighting either (I’m glad that John & George’s fight was discarded forever)…  last time that I watched ‘Let It Be ‘ (only seen it twice) was on a VHS tape, and I didn’t really enjoy it, save for the rooftop gig…  I’ve picked through countless ‘Get Back ‘ Beatlegs and the gems, in my opinion, are few and far between…  for every “gem” there’s atleast an album’s worth of throwaways performed by a dysfunctional and obviously disinterested group…  the official record from 1970 is as good as it gets…  just let it be, I say…:-)

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Good little article in today’s paper about the rooftop concert and the new documentary.

Good to have something ‘new’ Beatles wise go look forward to.

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I can believe that Jackson got the nod after the WW1 doco, it was very well done.  But who can say how it will end up? Of course it will be, how to put it, refocused. That’s inevitable, but as was already said, the original isn’t that bad. I would like a decent version of the rooftop concert, that’s all. Just get that right and don’t let the whole thing get boring, that really would be awful. Make the rooftop concert a separate thing perhaps.

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It’s possible I’ve misunderstood you here. But it seems you’re not aware of Peter Jackson’s reputation and the films on which his reputation is based.Wigwam said

No…  as I said I’ve never heard of him before…  you’re talking to someone who rarely watches any films and hasn’t subscribed to cable ever…  I watched TV in the 1970s with “rabbit ears” that allowed you to tune into two channels…  that’s it…  it’s not that I can’t afford to (I own a 55″ HD flatscreen which is used for a computer monitor) but television and movies is all a bunch of crap, in my opinion…  whether it’s news, sitcoms, documentaries, etc. I can’t enjoy anything where my BS detector is constantly ringing in my ears (I’m a Netflix Virgin as well)…  don’t even get me started on the commercials!  I do enjoy the radio on in the background but unfortunately it’s becoming a dying medium…  the only reason I’ve even heard of Ron Howard is because of the old ‘Happy Days’ show…

You and I have very similar views on this – there’s rarely anything on (except sport but that’s a bit different) bar the news that is worth watching and even then…mccartney-shrug_01_gif

However even I’d heard of him. I’m not at all saying you should/shouldn’t have, because only you can decide that, but all I’m saying is that if I’ve heard of someone in the TV and movie industry, they have to be pretty famous – and because of the competition in that industry, generally you have to have a good reputation to get that famous. 

Regardless, I eagerly await this release, because I’m getting my hopes up for a great re-release. It can’t possibly be bad – it’s the Beatles! Any unreleased footage is great, and remastered rooftop concert would be good…

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even I’d heard of him. I’m not at all saying you should/shouldn’t have, because only you can decide that, but all I’m saying is that if I’ve heard of someone in the TV and movie industry, they have to be pretty famous – and because of the competition in that industry, generally you have to have a good reputation to get that famous. The Hole Got Fixed said

I’m not disputing that he’s “that famous”, only stating that I’d never heard of him before this thread…  his notoriety doesn’t automatically make him an expert on the climate of The Beatles’ inner workings in 1969 is what I’m saying…  just about everyone in the music industry had heard of the murderous producer whom eventually tabled a ‘Let It Be ‘ album in 1970…  did that necessarily make him the right man for the job?  many believe that he wasn’t (I’m not one of them)…  it’s fair comment to say that I’m shooting this down before it’s been viewed but you could also say that many of you are giving Mr. Jackson an Oscar (I’ve heard of those) quite prematurely as well…:-)

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PJ already won his coveted golden statuette in 2004, Billy…:-)

This opinion piece reveals Jackson’s longtime superfandom, and makes a convincing argument for his qualifications.  (I really hope he doesn’t try to assume the inaccurate title of “director” of this resulting assemblage, however.)

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Let’s start with the basics and go from there.

  • No stupid celebrities and experts appearing giving their opinions, those killed ‘EDAW’.
  • No new interviews with any Beatles or anyone else who was there or knew someone who was, heck let’s keep it in January 1969 for the entire length. I don’t want or care about hearing from Barry who heard 43 seconds of ‘DLMD’ whilst on the street below buying his cheese and spam sandwich for lunch nor do I want Paul or Ringo remembering 50 years on.
  • Let the audio and footage match identically, ‘EDAW’ badly screwed that up. 
  • No stupid edits to remove a mistake or a naughty swear word – if John says “fuck”, let him say “fuck”.
  • Whatever happens, however long the film is, no matter the content, give us the complete Rooftop Concert.

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Agree with most of this – I thought the Whoopie Goldberg and Kitty Oliver reminiscences in 8DAW were moving and useful, but that film had a wider scope than this one should. I also don’t wish to see anything that wasn’t filmed in January 1969 by Michael Lindsay-Hogg’s camera crew.

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    • No stupid edits to remove a mistake or a naughty swear word – if John says “fuck”, let him say “fuck”.

  

It’s one of the things that irked me about the 50th Anniversary ‘White Album ‘ release…  bad enough that they supposedly didn’t have room for ‘Helter Skelter – Take 3′ so that they could make room for repeated tracks from ‘Anthology 3 ‘, but Giles cuts out John’s “oh shit” bit from ‘Happiness Is A Warm Gun ‘ which made it shorter than what’s all ready been released officially…  times have changed and I don’t think that Apple need worry about scaring off a new generation of listeners…:-)

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        • No stupid edits to remove a mistake or a naughty swear word – if John says “fuck”, let him say “fuck”.

  

It’s one of the things that irked me about the 50th Anniversary ‘White Album ‘ release…  bad enough that they supposedly didn’t have room for ‘Helter Skelter – Take 3′ so that they could make room for repeated tracks from ‘Anthology 3 ‘, but Giles cuts out John’s “oh shit” bit from ‘Happiness Is A Warm Gun ‘ which made it shorter than what’s all ready been released officially…  times have changed and I don’t think that Apple need worry about scaring off a new generation of listeners…:-)

  

Take 3 of ‘Helter Skelter ‘ runs for 27 minutes, Apple was not going to include it as they would have been devoting almost half a CD to one song that most listeners would get bored of after 5 minutes. How many will listen to the full take 2 often (I love how we have a ‘best of’ and the full track)? Some will say put it online but that’s not Apple’s way as they want people to pay large amounts for the material, not 99p for 27 minutes of minutes. 

The ‘HIAWG’ demo on the 50th anniversary has a longer fade not heard on the ‘Anthology’ box for whatever reason but the removal of the swearing is pathetic. I’d love it if someone interviewing Giles would ask why such decisions were made and then challenge him instead of fawning over how great a job he did.

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Agree with most of this – I thought the Whoopie Goldberg and Kitty Oliver reminiscences in 8DAW were moving and useful, but that film had a wider scope than this one should. I also don’t wish to see anything that wasn’t filmed in January 1969 by Michael Lindsay-Hogg’s camera crew.

  

Kitty’s was alright as it highlighted the importance of the Beatles stance against racism. The rest, including Whoopie’s, were instantly forgettable but it’s the times we live in – if there isn’t a pointless face (normally a ‘celebrity’) telling you why it was important to them then how on earth can the watcher verify and relate to the information. One look at the BBC News shows the increasing tendency of including tweets from celebrities in articles on most major news stories is one of my major annoyances; god knows why we need a tweet from Gary Lineker expressing his opinion on the chaos of the Venezuelan economy but apparently it imperative nowadays.

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I’m a huge fan of the Lord of The Rings movie adaptations, the Hobbit less so. He did a great job in LoTR including essential elements, but his reputation is mainly known for how awe inspiring his cinematography is and how epic his battle scenes are. Ron Howard I remember had a similar reputation as a director. He had beautiful wide shots of burning buildings in his movies, and despite a relatively unsuccessful adaptation of the Angels and Demons series he’s tapped to direct the new Beatles doc. They are repeating the same mistake with Peter Jackson. 

The footage already exists. We don’t need a headliner director to come in and flood the film with a bunch of his own pointless BS. The footage has already been taken! Why do we need and All Star director to film something that was shot over 50 years ago? 

I’m glad to see Michael Lindsey Hogg involved in deciding the cuts as he’s as legit a primary source for Let It Be as it gets. Aside from that I agree with @Billy Rhythm that there seems to be several figures with their hands on the project with big egos about their accounts of the Beatles but actually were not there or have questionable reliability. I’m anticipating a disappointment here, but I am still excited to finally have this footage restored and released. 

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Perhaps one argument for a “headliner director”, @sir walter raleigh, would be a fresh pair of eyes on what there is, rather than the biased eyes that have kept it locked in the vaults for decades.

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Let’s not forget some of Peter Jackson’s early work such as Meet the Feebles, Braindead and Bad Taste. 

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Perhaps it was this thread that got me back watching LOTR again last week? It was certainly having watched those that got me thinking I should take another look at the Hobbit.

(I was surprised how much more I enjoyed the Hobbit 2nd time around).

Whether Sir Peter is the best choice……Or the worst? I’m excited to find out.

Partly it depends on what’s there. You can hand a tailor the finest cloth but if he’s not, ‘cut-up-to-much’ the suit won’t be either……..Sir Peter Jackson was given the most precious material of the post hippie era…..LOTR ….A lot of love, anticipation, personal interpretations to counter, great expectations……hope and frankly the fear of cocking it up were involved in taking on THAT project. 

Sound familiar?

Taking on the lore and the legacy of the most popular band of all time, seems to me to be a very similar challenge and certainly one of equal responsibility.

This time we are handing the tailor more precious cloth…..But we do that knowing that Sir Peter Jackson is a tailor of proven Savile Row quality.

 

Anyway…… Those against Jackson……..Put up a better candidate….Your choice for the job!!  

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