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Sir Peter Jackson's The Beatles: Get Back
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Ron Nasty said
I just thought it was too big a story for the Beatles News thread, @Elementary Penguin, so just plunged right in and gave it it’s own thread as I suspected it might get some reaction.

While I was creating this thread, @Joe was writing an article for the main site, so we both caught it (from different sources) at around the same time.

  

That’s alright @Ron Nasty . You are right that it is too big of a story to be in the Beatles News thread but I just went there first because it is news and figured it would be mentioned and I was surprised that it wasn’t and instead of looking I posted a link straight away. 

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It’s great exciting news that Apple are finally a) revisiting the sessions from January 1969 and issuing new, unreleased and unseen material and b) reissuing the ‘Let It Be ’ movie. However, my fear is that there is going to be a readjusting of how the time was. All four Beatles are on record stating very explicitly the times were shit for all of them. Now that’s not completely true, there are a lot of fun moments, even in the released movie but I fear Apple will turn this into a BFF film with only the happy fun times and not George walking out, John wanting to ditch the three and be with Yoko whilst out of his head on drugs, Ringo bored senseless and Paul driving them mad. It wasn’t all the time but it did happen yet it doesn’t fit Apple’s brand image and ultimately Apple will have approval for what is included. 

Certainly on the music and promotional side of the 50th Anniversary ‘White Album ’ box the brand image was harmony, great friends and happiness with any tales of discord underplayed, labelled a myth or not mentioned at all.

So reading 

“I was relieved to discover the reality is very different to the myth,” continues Jackson, “After reviewing all the footage and audio that Michael Lindsay-Hogg shot 18 months before they broke up, it’s simply an amazing historical treasure-trove. Sure, there’s moments of drama – but none of the discord this project has long been associated with. Watching John, Paul, George, and Ringo work together, creating now-classic songs from scratch, is not only fascinating – it’s funny, uplifting and surprisingly intimate”.   

does concern me. Let the audience see what actually happened not what suits Yoko, Paul, Olivia and Ringo. 

And if if there is any sense both the original film and the new one should be screened as a double showing in the cinema for the audiences to compare. 90 minutes for the original followed by an interval and then back in to see the new fresh edit. 

  

I share your concerns…  Apple wants you to believe Giles’ interpretation of events (filtered by Yoko, Paul, Olivia & Ringo) over his father’s account of the bickering during the ‘White Album ‘ sessions, despite the fact that George Martin was there atleast part of the time while Giles wasn’t even on the planet in 1968…  Now you have yet another revision of ‘Let It Be ‘…  what’s this one gonna be called?  ‘Let It Be …  Neutured’?  or, how about ‘Four Virgins’?

 

I remember George Martin reminiscing about how he “was quite surprised when Paul rang me up” to kickstart the ‘Abbey Road ‘ album because he “didn’t really wanna work with them anymore because they were becoming such unpleasant people, not just to each other but to others as well”…  It seems as though there is a concerted effort to rid their legacy of these accounts…  which is somewhat understandable for it seems to be a cycle of life eventually…  I mean, family disputes become less and less meaningful as the years pass by and as family members die…  you remember the good fun instead of the spats and want to have a smile on your face whenever you think of that lost loved one…

 

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They buried this line right at the very end of the press release. I have no idea why they didn’t make a bigger deal of it:

Following the release of this new film, a restored version of the original Let It Be movie directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg will also be made available

  

It’ll be tacked onto the ‘Super Deluxe’ DVD Package just as the prized unheard ‘White Album ‘ outtakes were on that 50th Anniversary release…  Pay for the Revision that you’re not really gungho about and for some more beanies you’ll get what you’re really after…  just as “They buried this line right at the very end”…

 

The ‘Get Back ‘/’Let It Be ‘ project, while containing some fine musical moments, was a very difficult time…  The smiling and laughing throughout seems very put on to me…  with the cameras rolling they became actors…  Billy Preston brought out some genuine happiness in them, but it seemed very short lived…  John got very adept at his “laugh like a clown, beneath this mask I am wearing a frown” act but was tired of it long before then and it shows…  even The Rooftop show, the undisputed highlight, sees them going through the motions and just wanting to get it over with…  they only performed because Paul said that they would do a show while sitting in the director’s chair…  Thank Goodness for ‘Abbey Road ‘ for without it there wouldn’t have been a Happy Ending at all…

 

It has been said that Apple are “scraping the bottom of the barrel” with potential new releases and it’s about to bottom out with this one…:-)   

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There are suggestions on other forums that Apple could screen the ‘Let It Be ’ film like they did with the Shea concert and negate a general release be it on DVD, Blu-Ray and Digital release. Nothing more than idle speculation but it wouldn’t surprise me, I do have a deep untrusted of Apple after all. 

Only time will tell so we shall just need to wait and see.

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If they were to do that, I never imagined I could dislike Apple more than I currently do- but wow, I might go over to their HQ myself and give them a piece of my mind.

 

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If only he focus on showing us The Beatles really working on the songs… working on the arrangments…learning their parts… sharing ideas…from scratch… like that bit that i heard once in one of those Something about the beatles podcasts where Paul was teaching them Let it be and they were working on the vocal harmonys…that would be awesome…

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meanmistermustard said
There are suggestions on other forums that Apple could screen the ‘Let It Be ’ film like they did with the Shea concert and negate a general release be it on DVD, Blu-Ray and Digital release. Nothing more than idle speculation but it wouldn’t surprise me, I do have a deep untrusted of Apple after all. 

Only time will tell so we shall just need to wait and see.  

I don’t buy it at all myself.

Firstly, there is the obvious in the statement, “Following the release of this new film…” rather than “Along with the release of this new film…”. Granted, that could be a sleight of hand to distract from their intentions.

But then there is the time. The Touring Years clocked in at 97 minutes and they added on a 30 minute concert, taking it up to just over two hours. Let’s say Jackson’s version clocks in at roughly the same as TTY, though it could well be longer knowing Jackson — he has been known to make 2 hour + films (which were then longer when they got released for home viewing in extended versions), but for the sake of this let’s say it’s around an hour and 40 minutes, and the suggestion is that they’re going to show the eighty minute original after it, with all the crossover footage between the two that there’s bound to be (after all, we might get different camera angles on some scenes but I can’t see them, for instance, representing the rooftop using only performances that aren’t in the original)?

Also, would Jackson want his take on January 1969 instantly compared to Lindsay-Hogg’s?

TTY was a different beast to the Shea Stadium footage, a documentary about their live performances along with one of those performances, while showing the Lindsay-Hogg original alongside Jackson’s new take would be showing two films together which will follow roughly similar narratives.

That doesn’t make sense to me.

Billy Rhythm’s suggestion (though I disagree with much of the rest of his post) that the original will come as a bonus feature on the DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital release wouldn’t surprise me though.

Myself, the constant cynicism that are the defaults of some bores me.

Sorry.

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Ron Nasty said

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There are suggestions on other forums that Apple could screen the ‘Let It Be ’ film like they did with the Shea concert and negate a general release be it on DVD, Blu-Ray and Digital release. Nothing more than idle speculation but it wouldn’t surprise me, I do have a deep untrusted of Apple after all. 

Only time will tell so we shall just need to wait and see.  

I don’t buy it at all myself.

Firstly, there is the obvious in the statement, “Following the release of this new film…” rather than “Along with the release of this new film…”. Granted, that could be a sleight of hand to distract from their intentions.

But then there is the time. The Touring Years clocked in at 97 minutes and they added on a 30 minute concert, taking it up to just over two hours. Let’s say Jackson’s version clocks in at roughly the same as TTY, though it could well be longer knowing Jackson — he has been known to make 2 hour + films (which were then longer when they got released for home viewing in extended versions), but for the sake of this let’s say it’s around an hour and 40 minutes, and the suggestion is that they’re going to show the eighty minute original after it, with all the crossover footage between the two that there’s bound to be (after all, we might get different camera angles on some scenes but I can’t see them, for instance, representing the rooftop using only performances that aren’t in the original)?

Also, would Jackson want his take on January 1969 instantly compared to Lindsay-Hogg’s?

TTY was a different beast to the Shea Stadium footage, a documentary about their live performances along with one of those performances, while showing the Lindsay-Hogg original alongside Jackson’s new take would be showing two films together which will follow roughly similar narratives.

That doesn’t make sense to me.

Billy Rhythm’s suggestion (though I disagree with much of the rest of his post) that the original will come as a bonus feature on the DVD/Blu-Ray/Digital release wouldn’t surprise me though.

Myself, the constant cynicism that are the defaults of some bores me.

Sorry.

  

I take it this refers to me. Sorry but Apple have 40 odd years of letting us down, 2 releases don’t negate that and even the ‘White Album ‘ 50th has issues. I’m not coming on hear to scream praise and excitement without just reservation.

Jackson’s film is instantly going to be compared with Lyndsay-Hogg’s, any ideas that it’s not are naive. It’s a Beatles film revisiting a period of time covered by another Beatles film which is being made available at the same time for the first time in almost 40 years.

I won’t reply further as god forbid it provokes a yawn.

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No, @meanmistermustard, I was responding to the discussions you noted are taking place elsewhere, though I’ll concede that — by default — it would include your approach oft-times, it also includes Billy Rhythm, and those who on other forums who are suggesting by your account that making the original available following the release of Jackson’s film means they’ll just show it alongside Jackson’s new take on January 1969 and then bury it again without a home market release.

Billy R seems to have already written off what Jackson will do with the footage…

Yes, Apple have a history of disappointing (I was very critical of the White Deluxe not including Revolution  (1) [take 20] — a massively important recording that still remains officially unreleased) but I think overall they’ve done pretty well the last couple of years.

I’m not shy of criticising, as you know, but I’ll wait to see what we get before I damn it, hoping I don’t need to.

It’s a shame you didn’t have a riposte to the main arguments in my post rather than just the aside at the end of the post that addressed all those already dismissing this project before we’ve seen even a few seconds of it.

I certainly wasn’t aiming that aside directly at you, it just so happens that you often fall into that group, but it really was a general comment about the approach of some fans to this kind of project rather than being directly aimed at, and being only about, you.

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I certainly disagree that Apple is scraping the barrel for material. Sure the casual fan might not be interested in outtakes and alternate versions of songs but a lot of Beatles fans want this material. 

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I certainly disagree that Apple is scraping the barrel for material. Sure the casual fan might not be interested in outtakes and alternate versions of songs but a lot of Beatles fans want this material. 

  

I won’t be happy until I have everything. You got Revolution 9 part two? Hand it over, buddy. 

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If only he focus on showing us The Beatles really working on the songs… working on the arrangments…learning their parts… sharing ideas…from scratch… like that bit that i heard once in one of those Something about the beatles podcasts where Paul was teaching them Let it be and they were working on the vocal harmonys…that would be awesome…

  

Judging by the auditory record, you’d be hard pressed to find any “sharing (of) ideas”…  it was about attempting to rediscover (unsuccessfully, in my opinion) the “good old days” of Hamburg where playing live was all that mattered, which is evidenced by the myriad of Moldy Oldies that they took a stab at (literally) and the youthful exuberance appeared to be sadly lost forever…  it really had become one of them where the other three had served (at times unwillingly) as a backing band…  for “old times sake”…  which is why the original film is so effective…  “whatever it is that you want me to play, I’ll do it“…  and we all know the rest of it…

 

I’m curious about these “beatles podcasts” that you speak of…  I’ve never been one to think that The Beatles would need to spend much time “working on the vocal harmonys”…  it was second nature (think I’ve even used the word “Supernatural” on here before) for them to fill out any song with their signature harmonies…  they seemed to dial in without even thinking (let alone “working”) on it…

 

“showing us The Beatles really working on the songs” is something that’s all ready widely available, and you won’t find it while the cameras were rolling (when they were it’s quite obvious that The Beatles were acting) but with the extensive audio…  the ‘Let It Be ‘ example is one of the better ones, especially after the 50th Anniversary ‘White Album ‘ rehearsal which recently added to an all ready extensive archive…  history also shows that the unmentionable murderous producer who delivered us the album version brought the song to its well deserved apex…  whether it’s the drums, harmonies, lead guitar or post-production editing, the unmentionable got it right as with the rest of the album…  like John said, “he worked like a pig on it” and it shows…:-)

 

  

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@Billy Rhythm said
I’ve never been one to think that The Beatles would need to spend much time “working on the vocal harmonys”…  it was second nature (think I’ve even used the word “Supernatural” on here before) for them to fill out any song with their signature harmonies…  they seemed to dial in without even thinking (let alone “working”) on it…

Of course they had to work on getting their harmonies right. Think For Yourself  — and the vocal harmony overdub session that was taped in case anything might be usable on that year’s Chrimble record is a perfect example of them working hard on the vocal harmonies…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?…..QdcpmFQOZs

There was nothing “supernatural”, just great musicians who worked hard to get it right.

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yeah…  heard this one before…  sounds more to me like they’re using their bread & butter harmonies to carry out what the structure and chords are for one of George’s songs…  they also sound very stoned to me here…  “working hard” indeed…:-)

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So, some people have a problem with Jackson’s comment that:

After reviewing all the footage and audio that Michael Lindsay-Hogg shot 18 months before they broke up, it’s simply an amazing historical treasure-trove. Sure, there’s moments of drama – but none of the discord this project has long been associated with.

They think it shows signs of an upcoming whitewash of what the atmosphere at the sessions was really like. Yet, in October 2012, Kevin Harrington (@kneeler)…

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…who was there throughout, the redhead on the rooftop holding up lyrics for John, when asked on this forum by @Into the Sky with Diamonds, “Was the atmosphere during the Get Back sessions as bad as they’re made out to be? Worse?” replied:

Personally I don’t think they were as bad, but bear in mind they were not used to having so many people around when recording and I think that just highlighted the personal tensions that were around at that time.  everything that happened in the studio was recorded, I know there were meetings outside studio time but hey there was no hate between them just disagreement’s, which every band I have ever worked for has had.

A very similar view to Jackson’s.

And Jackson says he’s got 140 hours of audio alongside the 55 hours of footage, now I’ve got just under 98 hours of audio from the sessions, and I know others do as well, and while not the most upbeat of sessions, they’re not the fecking infamous Troggs Tapes… (language advisory)

(Heh! Heh! They were trying to record a song called Tranquility!)

Same as I don’t think Giles distorted what the White Album  period was like. He didn’t say there were no tensions during the sessions, just that it didn’t show up on the tapes.

Seems to me that some people want to cling to John’s view that they were most miserable sessions ever, rather than take Ringo’s line that when they were playing music and it was good, it was good and the politics were left outside.

Always surprises me, every time, when people here find LIB  to watch, and they pluck up the courage to watch it, dreading its reputation, most say it’s nowhere near as ugly and dark as its reputation suggests.

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Even the oft-mentioned verbal exchange between Paul and George in the LIB film is actually fairly mild-mannered without raised voices.

I think there was a special bond of love and friendship between the four Beatles, which never really left them:
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I certainly disagree that Apple is scraping the barrel for material. Sure the casual fan might not be interested in outtakes and alternate versions of songs but a lot of Beatles fans want this material. 

  

Absolutely. If it’s unreleased we want it. Period.

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Very excited about this project as I love hearing their studio banter – now we will get to hear and see more of it. Hoping for the best.

I’ve read some posts above, that I may be misinterpreting, in regard to a potential softening of the Let It Be film or a comparison between Jackson’s and Lyndsay-Hogg’s versions. The press relelease said “Following the release of this new film, a restored version of the original Let It Be movie directed by Michael Lindsay-Hogg will also be made available.”  If it is a straight-up restoration of the original, what is there to compare it to? Is there another source that says Jackson is going to edit it?

If I’m totally off base, and maybe the thoughts above were that the new documentary/film would be somehow compared to the original LIB , them I’m still lost. To me, that is comparing apples to oranges. What am I missing? 

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From what I understand, @Zig, some believe that Jackson will produce a whitewashed version of what happened in January 1969 on the orders of Apple, making it out to be a happy-clappy time without any tensions between them.

Obviously there will be comparisons between Lindsay-Hogg’s original and Jackson’s revisit to footage and audio that Lindsay-Hogg was responsible for.

Rather than be happy that this is being done, the instinct of some fans — as always with this type of thing — is to complain about the what the new film will be like before they know.

Some of us are glass half-empty people, while others – like myself and you – are glass half-full.

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I don’t think Giles distorted what the White Album  period was like. He didn’t say there were no tensions during the sessions, just that it didn’t show up on the tapes.Ron Nasty said

  

It’s a safe assumption that Giles had access to infinitely more material from the sessions than I do, and even in my own very modest collection of unreleased ‘White Album ‘ sessions there most certainly was tension that did “show up on the tapes”…  one that sticks out is a row between his father and George Harrison which likely prompted George Martin to leave and make way for someone else to deal with them being so disrespectful…  so Giles is wrong when he said that “it didn’t show up on the tapes”…  we also know that many recordings were erased, it’s how they found the outtake of ‘Julia ‘ that was just released for it suddenly appeared towards the end of what was thought to be blank tape…

as for the same sentiment not showing up on the tapes for ‘Get Back ‘/’Let It Be ‘, we do know that a heated exchange between John & George was wiped from the tapes…  kinda hard for Giles to find this stuff which they made efforts to conceal from the record…  this particular row saw George come home to Patti in tears…  there’s audio of John tossing the idea of Eric Clapton replacing George while Yoko screams John’s name repeatedly in the background like a child…  One Big Happy Family?  I think not…:-) 

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Judging by the auditory record, you’d be hard pressed to find any “sharing (of) ideas”…  it was about attempting to rediscover (unsuccessfully, in my opinion) the “good old days” of Hamburg where playing live was all that mattered, which is evidenced by the myriad of Moldy Oldies that they took a stab at (literally) and the youthful exuberance appeared to be sadly lost forever…  it really had become one of them where the other three had served (at times unwillingly) as a backing band…  for “old times sake”…  which is why the original film is so effective…  “whatever it is that you want me to play, I’ll do it“…  and we all know the rest of it…

As far as i know the whole Get back/Let it be thing was their attempt to record an album without the studio trickery involved in their past (overdubs, edits, etc, etc…though finally this didn’t happen at all) and they did it while being filmed…

About they sharing of ideas well… i’m sure it happened as Paul helped George with I, me, mine… I’ve Got A Feeling is made from two different bits. One from Paul, the other from John… those things doesn’t happen magically… there’s a work behind them… a share of ideas and concepts…even if you are The Beatles… 

I’m curious about these “beatles podcasts” that you speak of…  I’ve never been one to think that The Beatles would need to spend much time “working on the vocal harmonys”…  it was second nature (think I’ve even used the word “Supernatural” on here before) for them to fill out any song with their signature harmonies…  they seemed to dial in without even thinking (let alone “working”) on it…

The podcast was an episode of “Something about The Beatles”… don’t remember which one…probably one of their “Winter of discontent” series…don’t have the time to go through all of them now though…

“showing us The Beatles really working on the songs” is something that’s all ready widely available

Really ??…i’d be more than pleased if you or whoever can tell me where to look for that stuff.The most extense piece of audio showing them working on a song/arrangement that i know is the one that Nasty linked above. That Think For Yourself session. I do not consider listening to takes 1 to 126 of whatever song as an evidence of how they worked…

and you won’t find it while the cameras were rolling

Well, i thought they were filmed full time.

 They were very talented musicians and had an hability to do their stuff. But i do not think they just relied in their “signature” harmonies/licks/rythmic patterns, etc… as a formula to make their songs. As we all know they always avoided any type of repetition in their production. I’m sure they would come up with a very decent song at first attempt…but probably they would give it a second, third, forth thought just in case…though this is probably a matter of opinions it seems… you say no, i say yes…

 

 

  

  

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