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Birth of the Beatles
5 January 2014
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It was why I made the point I made. So far as I know from what I have read over the years, the Selteab deal was set up by Nat Weiss (his American lawyer), and was nodded through by Brian on his say-so. The second volume of Lewisohn will be interesting to see how he evaluates these deals, and whether he puts the blame wholly on Brian shoulders, or takes my views that Brian made bad mistakes based on the guidance of those he employed to guide him because he trusted them.

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Thanks mja - Nat Weiss was who I meant. I think you make a very valid point - did Brian have bad advice? Were there other agendas at work?

 

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mja6758 said
Brian made bad mistakes based on the guidance of those he employed to guide him because he trusted them.

 

If we were to subscribe to this reasoning of yours, it still looks pretty bad on Brian for one of the Manager's biggest responsibilities is to assemble a strong Management Team.  Trusting people as friends shouldn't automatically qualify them as trusted businessmen, and I see this as another one of Brian's faults.  Blaming the Seltaeb deal on anybody else but Brian is weak, in my opinion.  It'd be like a Hockey Goaltender blaming a lousy goal from 50 feet out on his teammates in front of him who's job isn't to stop the puck that trickled between his legs...:-)

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I found this on Youtube recently. I remember watching in on TV as a kid, it was fascinating to me then to see the early days of my favorite group dramatized.

I haven't had time to watch much beyond the first 10 minutes since I stumbled on it again, what I have watched is not great - lots of weird, anachronistic lyrical references, oversimplifications, invented dialogue. Even so, it's free, all you need is an hour and 40 minutes to spare.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?.....38;t=4474s

22 February 2017
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Yeah, I never made it far into the film, either. I may or may not have eyerolled so hard I ended up with a headache at the 'cemetery' scene with the Eleanor Rigby tomb. I'd agree, the piss-poor attempt at Scouse, the random insertion of lyrics into the dialogue was grating on the nerves, and I kept wondering who was supposed to be who. I kind of figured out which one was supposed to be George and which one was John, but I don't think I ever managed to decide who was playing Stu, and who was supposed to be Paul. There were so many mistakes in it (even to me, someone who was only just getting into the whole Beatles thing) that I gave up less than 10 minutes into the film. It just wasn't worth the aggravation. 

TL;DR: why do Beatles films have to be so terrible?

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The first time I watched the film I thought it was amazing but as said, the more you learn about The Beatles the more you find the inaccuracy in the film.

The only beatles films that haven't really annoyed me is Backbeat and Nowhere Boy. Both are amazing but I'm not sure if I'm watching them through rose tinted glasses, if someone else thinks they're awful (or, if you also think they're great) please say so because I would love to talk about them with someone. Especially Backbeat. stuart-sutcliffe

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@nowherecara I remember enjoying Backbeat when it came out - of course that was many years ago and I'm much crankier now than I was then. I suppose this is the wrong thread in which to have the conversation. 

Anyway, I ordered the Backbeat DVD recently since it goes for like 8 bucks on Amazon, we can have a convo about it in the right thread when I see it again...

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I'd like to see this again but only for nostalgia's sake.

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