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vonbontee
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4 March 2013 - 9.03pm

OK, that's a bit puzzling. There haven't been any amazing technical advances in stop-motion animation between 1987 and the present day!

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vonbontee said
OK, that's a bit puzzling. There haven't been any amazing technical advances in stop-motion animation between 1987 and the present day!

Its fits with Apple taking the poor Sessions mixes and edits and using them on the Anthology LP's. They could have released something amazing but cut a lot of corners for whatever reason.

Was surprised to read that George H was the one who edited and mixed Shout.

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meanmistermustard said

vonbontee said
OK, that's a bit puzzling. There haven't been any amazing technical advances in stop-motion animation between 1987 and the present day!

Its fits with Apple taking the poor Sessions mixes and edits and using them on the Anthology LP's. They could have released something amazing but cut a lot of corners for whatever reason.

Was surprised to read that George H was the one who edited and mixed Shout.

Sorry, mmm, I don't quite get the point you're making here. The point vonbontee seems to me to be making is surprise at somebody's view that the 1987 Sgt. Pepper animated sequence from It Was Twenty Years Ago, and used in Anthology, was impressive for its day, and pointing out that there has been no great leap in the animation techniques used between then and when Anthology was released, or even now. Are you suggesting that they should not have used the sequence, commissioned a new version of it? I actually think it's pretty good, and wish they had used more of the full sequence, as it is shown in the YouTube clip I included. I don't see it as a cut corner, but rather a nice clip that was commissioned for a documentary they appeared in, and so was semi-sanctioned, and that they liked enough to use to illustrate the song when it came to it in Anthology.

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5 March 2013 - 1.32pm

I think they could have done something different yes. Its fine but Apple could have spent a few months without rushing to create something better and a little different. Maybe its looking back on it now but it looks slow and dragging, like 1970's tv kids shows like Trumpton. A Grand Day Out (the first Wallace and Gromit film) came out in 1989 and that is better in terms of animation than the Pepper part.

And by amazing i meant the Anthology as a whole not just that Pepper art piece.

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5 March 2013 - 2.57pm

vonbontee said
OK, that's a bit puzzling. There haven't been any amazing technical advances in stop-motion animation between 1987 and the present day!

I'm puzzled by this statement, but I'm not sure if I'm reading it correctly, as stop motion has advanced tremendously since '87 - The Nightmare Before Christmas, Corpse Bride, James and the Giant Peach, Coraline to name a few, and that's only drawing on a few commercial examples.

That said, the level of sophistication in the Sgt Pepper piece makes sense to me for '87. In fact, it might seem even a bit jerky/simple for that time considering NBC came out only a few years later and by then we had the music video for "Sledgehammer." I would have been blown away if it had been made in the 60s.

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5 March 2013 - 3.38pm

^all good points. Hell, Wallace and Gromit is another fine example of extreme detail in stop-motion animation, so to say there have been no advances is not true.

 

But back on topic...I found Ringo and George to (obviously) be the most laugh-out-loud funny in the interviews. For the most part, Paul was fine, but sometimes he lapsed back into that almost awkward/smarmy Paul that annoys me so, even though he's my favorite.

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5 March 2013 - 3.58pm

DrBeatle said
But back on topic...I found Ringo and George to (obviously) be the most laugh-out-loud funny in the interviews. For the most part, Paul was fine, but sometimes he lapsed back into that almost awkward/smarmy Paul that annoys me so, even though he's my favorite.

 

Paul was definitely getting a little McChirpy Chirp Thumbs Alofty at times. Can't remember if it was here or elsewhere that someone commented that George often saved the Anthology from degenerating into sentimental mush.

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5 March 2013 - 5.28pm

George did, but he also was ponderously bitter and cynical in many spots, so much so that it frustrated me. The bit I always come back to are their final words on the whole experience:

 

Paul: "I'm really proud that nearly all of our songs dealt with love, peace, understanding..."

Ringo: (talking about the memories) "...the closeness...a hotel room here, a bathroom there...just four guys who really loved each other."

George: "The fans gave their screams and The Beatles gave their nervous systems."

 

He couldn't have come up with something a bit more positive than that!?

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5 March 2013 - 8.14pm

OK, I did some research, and you're absolutely right, I'm sorry: There have been several innovations in true stop-motion photography in the past quarter-century. And all this time I thought the art was virtually abandoned in favor of CGI! Little did I know.

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5 March 2013 - 11.14pm

I watched Episode 1 recently and it was cringing seeing Paul show off as he sang Twenty Flight Rock, left me feeling a bit sick truth be told as there was no need, its not as if we got George blasting out Raunchy. 

The recap of the music scene pre-Beatles had a great wide selection of songs plus its always good to see the 4 remember the music they were brought up on. And it was nice seeing Ringo come back in to the story after the very early days of Silver Beatles and Moon Dogs.

Yet every time it gets more difficult to view as its so obvious that John wasnt about.

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6 March 2013 - 12.38pm

meanmistermustard said

The recap of the music scene pre-Beatles had a great wide selection of songs plus its always good to see the 4 remember the music they were brought up on. 

I've posted before that I love the music they were brought up on as my dad was brought up on the same music and I listened to it as he would play it either at home or in the car on road trips. Hearing it again on the Anthology series made me go out and buy a lot of it. I am still collecting it all - there is something wonderful about unspoiled, raw Rock & Roll.

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6 March 2013 - 2.00pm

meanmistermustard said
I watched Episode 1 recently and it was cringing seeing Paul show off as he sang Twenty Flight Rock, left me feeling a bit sick truth be told as there was no need, its not as if we got George blasting out Raunchy. 

The recap of the music scene pre-Beatles had a great wide selection of songs plus its always good to see the 4 remember the music they were brought up on. And it was nice seeing Ringo come back in to the story after the very early days of Silver Beatles and Moon Dogs.

Yet every time it gets more difficult to view as its so obvious that John wasnt about.

I agree, as much as I love Paul, he did that with 20 Flight Rock and also the Eleanor Rigby bit...why, Paul, why?

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6 March 2013 - 2.14pm

^^ I guess I have to watch that again because I don't remember having the same reaction.

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6 March 2013 - 2.55pm

It just seemed kind of...cheesy and self-centered, "Look At Me!" which we all know Paul is guilty of quite often (as much as I love him!)

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6 March 2013 - 4.13pm

Ah. Yes. I guess having become a fan originally in '78, I'm so used to seeing that side of Paul, it barely registers now.

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6 March 2013 - 4.29pm

parlance said
Ah. Yes. I guess having become a fan originally in '78, I'm so used to seeing that side of Paul, it barely registers now.

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:lol: I grew up a fan of The Beatles exclusively (ie none of the solo work) until 1990 or so, and even then I'm selective about what I like during the solo years. But since Paul is my favorite, I've seen that more than anything of the others...doesn't make it any less uncomfortable to watch/listen to!

 

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6 March 2013 - 4.31pm

DrBeatle said
George did, but he also was ponderously bitter and cynical in many spots, so much so that it frustrated me. The bit I always come back to are their final words on the whole experience:

 

Paul: "I'm really proud that nearly all of our songs dealt with love, peace, understanding..."

Ringo: (talking about the memories) "...the closeness...a hotel room here, a bathroom there...just four guys who really loved each other."

George: "The fans gave their screams and The Beatles gave their nervous systems."

 

He couldn't have come up with something a bit more positive than that!?

 

I see your point, but personally wouldn't have wanted it any other way. Apple has a tendency (most times anyway) to sugar coat the history of The Beatles. This brutal honesty is refreshing.

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6 March 2013 - 4.45pm

Zig said

DrBeatle said
George did, but he also was ponderously bitter and cynical in many spots, so much so that it frustrated me. The bit I always come back to are their final words on the whole experience:

 

Paul: "I'm really proud that nearly all of our songs dealt with love, peace, understanding..."

 
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6 March 2013 - 4.48pm

a-hard-days-night-ringo-8...domestic violence...

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6 March 2013 - 4.50pm

vonbontee said

Zig said

DrBeatle said
George did, but he also was ponderously bitter and cynical in many spots, so much so that it frustrated me. The bit I always come back to are their final words on the whole experience:

 

Paul: "I'm really proud that nearly all of our songs dealt with love, peace, understanding..."

 
ahdn_george_01

"...arson, murderous jealousy, and slaughtering people with hammers."

He said "nearly" :lol:

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