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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn
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Ah yeah, that sounds more plausible!

19 May 2013
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I think ending volume one on 12-31-61 makes sense so volume 2 can start on 1-1-62, the day they auditioned for Decca Records.

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I've always thought that the 31 December 1962 was the right ending for the first volume, and it is the one being used. You end it in 1961, you still have Pete Best in the band, and Ringo still with Rory Storm. Lewisohn has, rightly IMO, the first volume bringing all the pieces together for the fame that engulfs the group during 1963. Ending it with the ending of the Hamburg years, as they step off stage at The Star Club for the last time, just makes sense. I think he would have faced a lot of questions if Volume One ended before Ringo had even joined.

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19 May 2013
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^he does end volume 1 at the end of '61 which makes perfect sense for the reasons mentioned above. 

 

Not sure why the American edition is 1200 pages while the UK one is either 800 or 1800. And the price differential is ridiculous!

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He does not end it at the end of '61, but at the end of '62. As I posted above (now on bottom of previous page), the article which gave '61 has since changed it to '62 - which has been the date floating around for ages. The one article that said '61 no longer does. '61 was a typo.

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My apologies, I stand corrected! I was too lazy to go back and look (barely been home or online all weekend :-) ). 

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The length differences are explained in the article. I know they ask us not to reproduce in full, so here are the two relevant paragraphs:

          Lewisohn says the smaller mass-market U.S. hardback with 1,200 pages will be released Oct. 10 by Crown Archetype. The mass-market U.K           hardback with 1,000 pages, will be released Oct. 10 from Little, Brown.

          “The difference between the editions is words,” Lewisohn said, “about 380,000 in the UK, about 430,000 in the U.S. (The U.S. edition) will
          include the endnotes, omitted in the UK for space reasons.”

It goes on to say that the "author's cut" will include about 780,000 words, and be about 2000 pages. Lewisohn also adds that Crown Archetype are yet to pick up the "author's cut" and so, for US customers, it will only be available as import.

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If it ends at the end of 1962 there's a lot of ground to cover through the rest of the decade. I thought it might follow roughly the same dates as the three Anthology albums. At a guess, how about vol 2 to cover 63-66 and vol 3 for 67-70 ?

I wonder if it'll end in 1970 or include some info on the post-Beatles fallout, Apple, Anthology etc. I'm not sure where ML has set his boundaries but seeing as he's started with the pre-Beatles years it makes some sense to cover the post-Beatles era. The trouble is it's still ongoing so he'll have to draw the line somewhere.

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21 May 2013
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mja6758 said
The length differences are explained in the article. I know they ask us not to reproduce in full, so here are the two relevant paragraphs:

          Lewisohn says the smaller mass-market U.S. hardback with 1,200 pages will be released Oct. 10 by Crown Archetype. The mass-market U.K           hardback with 1,000 pages, will be released Oct. 10 from Little, Brown.

          “The difference between the editions is words,” Lewisohn said, “about 380,000 in the UK, about 430,000 in the U.S. (The U.S. edition) will
          include the endnotes, omitted in the UK for space reasons.”

It goes on to say that the "author's cut" will include about 780,000 words, and be about 2000 pages. Lewisohn also adds that Crown Archetype are yet to pick up the "author's cut" and so, for US customers, it will only be available as import.

I know that, I read the article, too. I wasn't asking *if* there were page # differences, I was asking *WHY*. His answer saying the publisher hasn't decided to offer the longer edition in the US isn't a reason *why*.

 

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Joe said
If it ends at the end of 1962 there's a lot of ground to cover through the rest of the decade. I thought it might follow roughly the same dates as the three Anthology albums. At a guess, how about vol 2 to cover 63-66 and vol 3 for 67-70 ?
I wonder if it'll end in 1970 or include some info on the post-Beatles fallout, Apple, Anthology etc. I'm not sure where ML has set his boundaries but seeing as he's started with the pre-Beatles years it makes some sense to cover the post-Beatles era. The trouble is it's still ongoing so he'll have to draw the line somewhere.

Is there a need to cover post-1970, though, with such an excellent book like Peter Doggett's already out there? *shrug* I wouldn't mind either way, although honestly I'd rather he go into more detail during the Beatles years than the post-1970 years. All I know is, as excited as I am for book #1, it's probably the one I'm least interested in of the 3 volumes simply because it doesn't deal with the years where they made their legend.

 

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DrBeatle said

mja6758 said
The length differences are explained in the article. I know they ask us not to reproduce in full, so here are the two relevant paragraphs:

          Lewisohn says the smaller mass-market U.S. hardback with 1,200 pages will be released Oct. 10 by Crown Archetype. The mass-market
          U.K hardback with 1,000 pages, will be released Oct. 10 from Little, Brown.

          “The difference between the editions is words,” Lewisohn said, “about 380,000 in the UK, about 430,000 in the U.S. (The U.S. edition)
          will include the endnotes, omitted in the UK for space reasons.”

It goes on to say that the "author's cut" will include about 780,000 words, and be about 2000 pages. Lewisohn also adds that Crown Archetype are yet to pick up the "author's cut" and so, for US customers, it will only be available as import.

I know that, I read the article, too. I wasn't asking *if* there were page # differences, I was asking *WHY*. His answer saying the publisher hasn't decided to offer the longer edition in the US isn't a reason *why*.

 

I believe the "why" to the questions is inferred in what's said. For the standard edition, the UK publishers balked at the length and Lewisohn agreed to cutting the endnotes, knowing that all he wanted would be included in his "author's cut". As for the US publisher deciding not to take the "author's cut" at this time, it can be assumed that they do not believe such a long and expensive book will sell in the market they are catering for.

That's just my reading between the lines though.

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Perhaps. I guess if there are loads of endnotes, then I'll be ok. I'd rather have the longest UK edition, but if it means paying $40 for the American edition and $125 for the UK one, then forget it! I love the Beatles, but I can buy volumes 2 and 3 with the money I save not buying the UK edition for volume 1! :lol:

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I know Lewisohn has expressed some unhappiness at the £120 price tag on the "author's cut", saying that he expects it to be lower by the time of publication, and that he hopes to see it at around £85 when it hits the shelves.

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mja6758 said
I know Lewisohn has expressed some unhappiness at the £120 price tag on the "author's cut", saying that he expects it to be lower by the time of publication, and that he hopes to see it at around £85 when it hits the shelves.

That's still very pricey for me here in the US...85 pounds is still $120 or so. The US edition is on Amazon.com right now for $39.99...much more palatable, especially if it's annotated as well as he says. Having said all of this, I'm probably still going to plump for the author's cut so I don't know why I'm fussing so much :lol: