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The Beatles: All These Years by Mark Lewisohn
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19 May 2013 - 9.30pm

Ah yeah, that sounds more plausible!

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19 May 2013 - 10.19pm

I think ending volume one on 12-31-61 makes sense so volume 2 can start on 1-1-62, the day they auditioned for Decca Records.

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19 May 2013 - 10.52pm

I've always thought that the 31 December 1962 was the right ending for the first volume, and it is the one being used. You end it in 1961, you still have Pete Best in the band, and Ringo still with Rory Storm. Lewisohn has, rightly IMO, the first volume bringing all the pieces together for the fame that engulfs the group during 1963. Ending it with the ending of the Hamburg years, as they step off stage at The Star Club for the last time, just makes sense. I think he would have faced a lot of questions if Volume One ended before Ringo had even joined.

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19 May 2013 - 11.47pm

^he does end volume 1 at the end of '61 which makes perfect sense for the reasons mentioned above. 

 

Not sure why the American edition is 1200 pages while the UK one is either 800 or 1800. And the price differential is ridiculous!

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20 May 2013 - 12.01am

He does not end it at the end of '61, but at the end of '62. As I posted above (now on bottom of previous page), the article which gave '61 has since changed it to '62 - which has been the date floating around for ages. The one article that said '61 no longer does. '61 was a typo.

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20 May 2013 - 12.27am

My apologies, I stand corrected! I was too lazy to go back and look (barely been home or online all weekend :-) ). 

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20 May 2013 - 12.41am

The length differences are explained in the article. I know they ask us not to reproduce in full, so here are the two relevant paragraphs:

          Lewisohn says the smaller mass-market U.S. hardback with 1,200 pages will be released Oct. 10 by Crown Archetype. The mass-market U.K           hardback with 1,000 pages, will be released Oct. 10 from Little, Brown.

          “The difference between the editions is words,” Lewisohn said, “about 380,000 in the UK, about 430,000 in the U.S. (The U.S. edition) will
          include the endnotes, omitted in the UK for space reasons.”

It goes on to say that the "author's cut" will include about 780,000 words, and be about 2000 pages. Lewisohn also adds that Crown Archetype are yet to pick up the "author's cut" and so, for US customers, it will only be available as import.

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21 May 2013 - 10.59am

If it ends at the end of 1962 there's a lot of ground to cover through the rest of the decade. I thought it might follow roughly the same dates as the three Anthology albums. At a guess, how about vol 2 to cover 63-66 and vol 3 for 67-70 ?

I wonder if it'll end in 1970 or include some info on the post-Beatles fallout, Apple, Anthology etc. I'm not sure where ML has set his boundaries but seeing as he's started with the pre-Beatles years it makes some sense to cover the post-Beatles era. The trouble is it's still ongoing so he'll have to draw the line somewhere.

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21 May 2013 - 1.52pm

mja6758 said
The length differences are explained in the article. I know they ask us not to reproduce in full, so here are the two relevant paragraphs:

          Lewisohn says the smaller mass-market U.S. hardback with 1,200 pages will be released Oct. 10 by Crown Archetype. The mass-market U.K           hardback with 1,000 pages, will be released Oct. 10 from Little, Brown.

          “The difference between the editions is words,” Lewisohn said, “about 380,000 in the UK, about 430,000 in the U.S. (The U.S. edition) will
          include the endnotes, omitted in the UK for space reasons.”

It goes on to say that the "author's cut" will include about 780,000 words, and be about 2000 pages. Lewisohn also adds that Crown Archetype are yet to pick up the "author's cut" and so, for US customers, it will only be available as import.

I know that, I read the article, too. I wasn't asking *if* there were page # differences, I was asking *WHY*. His answer saying the publisher hasn't decided to offer the longer edition in the US isn't a reason *why*.

 

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21 May 2013 - 1.53pm

Joe said
If it ends at the end of 1962 there's a lot of ground to cover through the rest of the decade. I thought it might follow roughly the same dates as the three Anthology albums. At a guess, how about vol 2 to cover 63-66 and vol 3 for 67-70 ?
I wonder if it'll end in 1970 or include some info on the post-Beatles fallout, Apple, Anthology etc. I'm not sure where ML has set his boundaries but seeing as he's started with the pre-Beatles years it makes some sense to cover the post-Beatles era. The trouble is it's still ongoing so he'll have to draw the line somewhere.

Is there a need to cover post-1970, though, with such an excellent book like Peter Doggett's already out there? *shrug* I wouldn't mind either way, although honestly I'd rather he go into more detail during the Beatles years than the post-1970 years. All I know is, as excited as I am for book #1, it's probably the one I'm least interested in of the 3 volumes simply because it doesn't deal with the years where they made their legend.

 

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21 May 2013 - 2.14pm

DrBeatle said

mja6758 said
The length differences are explained in the article. I know they ask us not to reproduce in full, so here are the two relevant paragraphs:

          Lewisohn says the smaller mass-market U.S. hardback with 1,200 pages will be released Oct. 10 by Crown Archetype. The mass-market
          U.K hardback with 1,000 pages, will be released Oct. 10 from Little, Brown.

          “The difference between the editions is words,” Lewisohn said, “about 380,000 in the UK, about 430,000 in the U.S. (The U.S. edition)
          will include the endnotes, omitted in the UK for space reasons.”

It goes on to say that the "author's cut" will include about 780,000 words, and be about 2000 pages. Lewisohn also adds that Crown Archetype are yet to pick up the "author's cut" and so, for US customers, it will only be available as import.

I know that, I read the article, too. I wasn't asking *if* there were page # differences, I was asking *WHY*. His answer saying the publisher hasn't decided to offer the longer edition in the US isn't a reason *why*.

 

I believe the "why" to the questions is inferred in what's said. For the standard edition, the UK publishers balked at the length and Lewisohn agreed to cutting the endnotes, knowing that all he wanted would be included in his "author's cut". As for the US publisher deciding not to take the "author's cut" at this time, it can be assumed that they do not believe such a long and expensive book will sell in the market they are catering for.

That's just my reading between the lines though.

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21 May 2013 - 2.16pm

Perhaps. I guess if there are loads of endnotes, then I'll be ok. I'd rather have the longest UK edition, but if it means paying $40 for the American edition and $125 for the UK one, then forget it! I love the Beatles, but I can buy volumes 2 and 3 with the money I save not buying the UK edition for volume 1! :lol:

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21 May 2013 - 2.24pm

I know Lewisohn has expressed some unhappiness at the £120 price tag on the "author's cut", saying that he expects it to be lower by the time of publication, and that he hopes to see it at around £85 when it hits the shelves.

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21 May 2013 - 2.33pm

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I know Lewisohn has expressed some unhappiness at the £120 price tag on the "author's cut", saying that he expects it to be lower by the time of publication, and that he hopes to see it at around £85 when it hits the shelves.

That's still very pricey for me here in the US...85 pounds is still $120 or so. The US edition is on Amazon.com right now for $39.99...much more palatable, especially if it's annotated as well as he says. Having said all of this, I'm probably still going to plump for the author's cut so I don't know why I'm fussing so much :lol:

 

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21 May 2013 - 2.40pm

Oh, don't get me wrong, £85 is still damn expensive here in the UK as well! It's just less expensive than the £120 price-tag on it at the moment, and every pound off... My order is already in, knowing that in the end I'll pay whatever the price is when we reach October.

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21 May 2013 - 2.55pm

mja6758 said
Oh, don't get me wrong, £85 is still damn expensive here in the UK as well! It's just less expensive than the £120 price-tag on it at the moment, and every pound off... My order is already in, knowing that in the end I'll pay whatever the price is when we reach October.

That'll be me, too :) . Everything said, I am *REALLY* getting excited for these books!

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22 May 2013 - 1.26pm

Im going to hang back and then get it for christmas from family as i can happily wait. I got the mono and stereo boxes for christmas from family tho they were all opened, uploaded to ipod and played by mid-September 2009. Dont go into this must wait til the day arrives before opening  to presents and gift giving, open when you want - its your gift, as soon as given its up to you what you do with it - jump up and down on it and chuck it in the bid for all i care.

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Is Mark Lewisohn really the guy to write this book, though? He has the stamina to interview everyone and to listen to every last tape and research every last gig, but is he really smart enough to write a proper biography, as opposed to just a chronicle? My worry is that he will end up delivering a huge, shapeless chronicle of their every last piece of recorded behaviour, but not a real biography. Maybe the real biography can only come later. It certainly hasn't happened yet (although I thought Tim Riley's Lennon was the best biography so far written about any Beatle.)

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I've actually been wondering the same thing. I've heard him say he's uncovered a couple of previously-unknown Beatles gigs while researching this book, along with a ton of other new facts. Weaving them into a biography must be challenging for someone whose most celebrated books until now have been reference works.

I think he'll do OK. For a start he's spent years on the project. His writing in Sessions and Chronicle is lively and witty, managing to avoid being too dry in the delivery, but he was hemmed in by the format. The appendices in the new books will presumably contain the raw facts and figures (as he did at the end of Chronicle), so it won't distract from the main storytelling. Plus, every time I've heard him speak he's been lucid and eloquent, which suggests he won't have any problems writing these volumes.

For me, most Beatles books are let down by shoddy facts and bad research. So he's won half of the battle to begin with. IMO no amount of linguistic perfection can paper over something that's lacking research.

Incidentally, I think I found ML on Twitter this week. It's a private account under a false name, and he doesn't post (just follows a few Beatles and non-Beatles accounts), so I won't reveal it here. He's got a very low profile online, presumably to save himself being bombarded with qs from Beatlemaniacs and Lewisohnophiles, and I fully respect that.

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28 June 2013 - 4.02pm

This is my first post, after having been lurking quietly for a while. I've been following this thread with interest and I thought members might be interested in a new radio interview that Mark did with Ken Michaels:

http://www.kenmichaelsradio.co.....index.html

You have to scroll down half way and it's there in 6 parts. Some tantalising hints from Mark about the revelations contained in the book. 

One interesting question which Ken Michaels puts to him, which Mark doesn't know the answer to (yet!): who did the arrangements for the Indian instruments on George's Indian compositions? No one was ever credited for them.

There are other Beatles/Merseybeat-related interviews to enjoy elsewhere on the page.

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